Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 100. (Read 73604 times)

No, I don't gather ALL of the news, I gather news from "western" media sources exclusively, with a clear bias towards Ukraine. When CNN says that "Majority of Americans oppose more US aid" and when you adjust that for their bias, you get the idea of true magnitude, only way to change that is to claim that CNN is now a source for Russian propaganda? When i see that even the western media starting to pivot then yes i think that that's a point where even a blind should see a change in "direction of travel". If you wish i can also include FOX, Russian, Belarusian, Chinese, Indian, South American, African, Slovakian and Hungarian sources so you'd get a "full" picture, but i'm afraid that would only paint an even more dismal picture for Ukraine. Sorry if even CNN is too pessimistic for you there's not much left, the last stop to get a rosy picture would be switching to some Ukrainian news sources.

51% opposed more aid back in August, with the new US House speaker (who's not really pro Ukrainian aid) and everything else going on in the two month since then, that number could only have moved in one direction. Let me ask you this, if it's not over 50% then how many Americans in % term need to oppose sending aid to Ukraine for you to start feeling the shifting winds? But i'm afraid we all already know that answer.

We must have a different definition for a "game changing" weapon. But that's good, now all we have to do is just redefine the definition of "winning" for Ukraine, they'll just need someone like yourself to help convince the population.

Yes, yes things will get even worse for Russia next week as Ukraine possibly looses even more land and once again just saying that Russia lost trillion of people/vehicles doesn't say anything at all, you really expect people to know if that's low or high for themselves? You need to also make up a low number of Ukrainian loses so you could lead people to you conclusion. How would Russia loosing X vehicles in a week and taking Z meters help your point, if Ukraine lost Z meters and X+Y vehicles in the same time period? So to be able to make a comparison, you need say that Ukraine losses are much less than 1/3 of X (account for population difference), as well as mention tiny Russian manufacturing capacity which should also be much less than Y vehicles lost.

Wasn't Kerch Bridge already blown up by that vehicle IED? And then again by a remotely controlled boat? And already rebuilt and reopened twice since then? But i guess next time will be totally different, and surely will be yet another game changer right?  

Any official that even hints at justifying this boondoggle with "we didn't expect Russia to use so many people" should really be laughed at and automatically fired from his position.

So... you gather all the news that you find favourable to a certain position and you call that the direction of travel right? Including things like "a majority of Americans do not support further aid"? I mean, your own source says:

- so you are right, there are 3% more that think it is enough - seems to me like within the margin of error of one week to another, but sure, if you need "hopium" go for it.

About weapons that are game changers, well they actually are. Two questions that you need to ask yourself:

- Why does Ukraine have a corridor that is working perfectly on exporting grain and other goods by sea? You did not know? Well it is there. Why?
- Why is Ukraine specifically targeting the S-400 and why are they actually able to do it?

From columns of tanks advancing in the early days - or just staying there like sitting ducks -  all over the country, to loosing a year's worth of helicopters in a day, loosing a submarine, getting the Baltic fleet HQ bombed... Excuse me, but I think these weapons have changed the game, like a lot. This is a war of attrition and these weapons are great at blasting high-value targets.

And latest reports speak of even more troops being prepared for yet another assault in Avdiivka, after the loss of more than 200 vehicles in a week. Next week is going to be bloody for Ruzzia.

On the S-400, I will give you a hint: What is the single objective that could make a significant difference, requires a weapon that has not yet been used but it is on its way and might be bothered by S-400s? Another clue: It starts with Kerch and end with Bridge.

Ruzzia as of now has been reduced to WW I strategies - meat waves - with a 10% of other, such as gliding bombs, some Sahed (some say it is keeping them for winter, but it may be the case that there are not that many), missiles (nearly none las month), ... If Ukraine gets more modern aviation and over all the right munitions, the game will change again.

I'm talking trends and macro level. From back in August Majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine in war with Russia that was too impossible for populists to ignore and now US has a Trumpist House speaker thus Ukraine Aid in Doubt as Johnson Moves to Drop It From Israel Assistance Bill. This closely follows Slovakia where Slovakia's newly appointed Prime Minister Robert Fico will not back further military aid for Ukraine nor support further sanctions against Russia at his first European Union summit. Biden has little choice with this unpopular war so he's rebranding and now attempting to sell the war efforts abroad as a potential economic boom at home. Now with Israel, all eyeballs are drawn to humanitarian crisis and casualties in Gaza, most of the world in UN general assembly is calling for immediate and sustained ‘humanitarian truce’ underlining US hypocrisy and double standards (which unsurprisingly US and Israel voted against, with Ukraine falling in line and abstaining with majority of other European countries) thus now loosing moral ground. And you're still trying to drum up moral by talking about yet another miracle weapon where surely this one must be a game changer, and some localized movements which on a large scale don't matter. Fact of the matter is time has always been on Russia's side, and now more so than ever, even if they don't do anything now they can just wait this out for few more months.  

Then the answer is (c) Ruzzia tortures, but it is ok because others do it too.

I am not sure about the case of the Croatian generals. I cannot comment on Israel other I think that there is peace if there is interest in peace, which seems not to be there in the region. Re standards, yes, there should be same standards. I am not sure about Obama or others, I am certain that Bush ordered as a state policy to held prisoners without trial in conditions that, in my view, are torture (from 1 to 10, a 3, but still not acceptable). Also, it is likely that he ordered or consented to order prisoners deported to countries knowing that there it would be 10 of 10. Even before that, during WW II, both British and Americans attacked civil targets "to teach a durable lesson".

But objectively, what is happening in the occupied territories in Ukraine is not acceptable so it is fair to denounce it is happening.

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-icc-judge-warrant/32529550.html

I am not pro-anyone, I'm pro peace.
All my posts are whatabout because its IMPERATIVE to use same standards for Russia as for Israel or USA or Croatia. Without that, all talk about democracy, freedom,
equality etc are void and nil.
You can't tell me that Croatian generals deserve 850 years of prison because of 1 (ONE!) artilery shell that hit civilian house which supposedly instilled fear
into their civilians and made them flee, and then allow Russia or Israel to use million shells on civilians, and then indict Putin, but not Netanyahu...or Bush or Obama before that

I am not anti-anyone I am pro-peace. Real durable peace, not agreements that are written knowing they will be broken.

I am not going to whatabout because your response is unrelated to the systematic tortures by Ruzzia as a estate, I will just say that if Israel declares something they are the ones having to explain why.  My view about that conflict is that peace happens when parties want peace - so simple that is always forgotten and anything else goes to another thread.

Now Branko, are you saying in your peculiar way that (pick one or many):

a) Ruzzia does not torture ever, UN reports are wrong.
b) Ruzzia does torture, but occassionally, not systematically.
c) Ruzzia tortures, but it is because all the rest torture so it is ok.
d) Ruzzia effective has the policy of torturing but only to get information.
e) Ruzzia effectively tortures as a policy of estate and because it is allowed in the ranks - e.g. raping a 75 year old that will not give you her fridge because she needs it.

Go on... whatabout, you do not have any real answer.

Israel said UN reports are false and unreliable...are you antisemite maybe to question them?

No it is not the same. The report speaks of systematic and widespread torture practices which are peculiar to the Ruzzian Army in the invasion of Ukraine. This is not a US report, this is a report by the UN of which Ruzzia is a member. This is not about any media filtering, if you want to open a thread about what US does feel free to do so, but here and now Ruzzia is torturing systematically and across many locations as a estate policy. That is inhuman and that is another reason why they need to be demilitarised.

Sad reality is that regarding war crimes everyone is more or less the sam, its just how media filters it out
I bet if for some reason USA stance would change, Ukrainians would suddenly become worst scum, fascists, rapists, whatever
Its emotional trap that you should avoid, its all about money for the elites, everything else is just for show

Barbaric and disgusting.
To be honest, if these news coming out ocuppied territories about how local population is being treated by the invaders have truth in them, then indeed the Kremlin is behaving like a criminal organization for letting this continue to happen.
One thing is to invade a country without even declaring war and a causus belli, but a completely different situation is to try to take over a country and also do that to civilians. No wonder why The Kremlin allowed Hamas representatives into their country, they are more alike than we think.

In 2019 he said that Russia will attack Ukraine in 2022

https://youtu.be/1xNHmHpERH8


Then why accept "Western culture" since USA/UK/Germany did much worse atrocities


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Yes, nothing new, Biden supports the effort in Ukraine and has good reasons to it. There is nothing indicating that democrats are reconsidering and we already knew Republicans are divided.

There are discussions going on. On the "separate matter", nothing is "separate" in politics.

The amphibious operations in the Kherson region are ongoing, there has been even a report of Ruzzian bombing near Oleshky, which is well inside the west bank of the river.

Three S-400 seem to have been destroyed by an ATACAMS, so yes, S-400 is very effective destroying ATACAMS once the missile reaches them. BTW this is a Ruzzian report it seems https://gagadget.com/en/342105-us-atacms-missiles-could-destroy-three-launchers-of-the-125-billion-s-400-air-defence-system/.

Judging from previous Ukrainian attacks this is not casual, there is an intent to clear the threats before the F-16 arrive or there is an intent to launch Stormshadows or more attacks in the area,...

Dismal counteroffensive results undercut the message to support Ukraine so it can win Russia on the battlefield. Israel bombardments undercut the message to support Ukraine on the humanitarian grounds, and now we're getting to the final stage, support Ukraine because it's...profitable for us!


Well, at least he's brutally honest about it We need to sacrifice Ukrainian gene pool for US military industrial complex. Wiping out competition in EU is just a bonus on top of that. See no downside at all. But people seem to realize that there's no free lunch, and that paying half the people to dig holes and the other half to cover them up besides jobs also creates inflation. Not a fan of Trump but at this point, with Trump's supporter as the House speaker, it be impossible for orange man not to win.

In other news:

 
Yes yes Ukraine is really close to taking all its land back and about to send its troops to take Moscow...soon...believe

Edit:
And some more news. A blind would see a trend here

The UN however has not pushed much outside, they recently published a report on the situation in the occupied territories. And people still speak of reaching a peace or getting Ukraine to accept an invasion. This is not an ONG report, these comes from UN Commissioners.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142617


Yes, you have read correctly, a 75 year old woman raped. That's orc behaviour at its worst.



This is why Ukraine must stop Putin and the "Eastern culture" of the Ruzzian Army.

Word is that 'leadership' of Ukraine is going to throw all-in at Avdivka which is already basically a cauldron with pretty much zero chance of holding.  Losses will probably be North of 50k, and more if they really do fight to the last man and few of the soldiers can save their skins by surrendering.  Yet one more piece of evidence that the whole thing is about depopulating the country to make room for another group.  The Ashkanazi population of current-day Israel perhaps?  The hints from some of the Rabbis about this are getting more numerous.

Avdivka was funny as the starting point of where Ukraine was planning to genocide the breakaways, and they started to do so a few days before Russia launched the SMO.  What was amusing is that you could really sense that Ukraine's posture was that the SMO was a minor set-back and the genocide was still a go.  For many many months!  It screwed up some of their early troop and material operations big-time.  Sometimes really bad ideas/fantasies can linger on loooong past when they are feasible.

Is it just me or the Russian invasion of Ukraine has been pushed to one side by the news we all received from Israel and within the United States (about the prosecution of Trump and his codefendants).
I have not see a single news about the conflict in several days appearing on my social media accounts, I am not even sure whether the Ukrainian forces have been able to keep the Russian troops at bay and away from Kiev.
Keeping in mind that obviously most of the western media is in favor of Ukraine, I fear there is a suppression of information, because there has not been good news to share...

LOL, since when Arestovich become credible source. IIRC, in past Russians were laughing from his future predictions. But now when he said something what Russia want to hear, it's already ok to quote him.
I'm wondering, from all things that he said, what % turned into reality. And he said a lot of things...

Really?

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-avdiivka-donetsk-1837675

I can see the flag, it was there for a while, not that long while.  However what I do not see is any of your proud "stormZZZ" convicts posing near the flag. I wonder why? Maybe the situation is not as in control as it looks?

https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1716873941166534768

Oh, well, you need to buy a new flagpole.

I am not sure if Avdiivka will or will not be taken, but if the "morale blow" is like the one in Bakhmut, it seems that we are going to have another year of war. Or two... or three... and maybe the general responsible will have a "plane accident" after taking the place.

We'll see. You are in vain to draw parallels with the First World War; now the stormtroopers of the Storm Z detachments have powerful support in the form of airstrikes with gliding bombs, FPV-drones and air-guided artillery. I think Avdiivka will be taken by the end of this year and this will be another crushing blow to the morale of Ukraine, following Mariupol and Bakhmut.

ps The Russian flag over the Avdeevsky Terrycon.