Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 100. (Read 59119 times)

Sure, if putin explained it then no questions and discussions are already a priori needed.

Now let's wait for him to explain the situation with his "attempted murder". This, however, will take time, because he needs to figure out how to explain the fact that the invulnerable russian air defense missed the drones directly to the residence of the president (who, oh, how convenient, of course, was not there).

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/05/03/world/russia-ukraine-news

Yes... one could almost feel some sympathy for the old guy when he gives his view of the events. Almost.

He speaks of strong arm tactics, imposing on others and creating a certain order. However, that is exactly what he has aimed for in the RF since he got the slightest power -  a dictatorial regime. As all dictatorial regimes, it is critical to have an outside enemy. If the economy goes badly is because of the US or the traitors or the foreign influence...

But there is something that is not said an is the base of all this discourse and "explanation" (apart for a few lies here and there). All this is based on the "safety" of Russia being above anything else. And if a few hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians have to die for it, it is OK, because Russia is more important than Ukraine, Russians more important the Ukrainians and his regime more important than peace.

Why would I think of calling this guy Adolf Putin?

Now, there is only one winner to all this: the US. Putin should have been more proactive in diplomacy with Europe and things would have been quite different. War is the last resource of an incompetent leader.

Now, if you see this from the European perspective, it would have been much better not to have a war, possibly incorporating Ukraine to the European Union or having  preferential treaty (and I believe this is a key, much more than any prospective NATO invasion). Russia would be a commercial partner for Europe which would have been really beneficial to all. However we are where we are and now Europe cannot afford to have a war in Europe in which the RF takes territory by force first in 2014 and now in 2021 and gets away with it. Europe has no option but to play the game with the US.

Has the US forced Putin to war? I could say that is true, but only half true. It is his own incompetence to generate a fair and seductive regime and attract Ukraine by means of commerce, culture and diplomacy that bring the "need" for war as he states it.

As usual, half truths and one-sided arguments - the type that Branko usually likes.

Why we even comment here...Putin explained it all more than a year ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qS6J-WbTD8

Then, I should read all you said as "your best guess" and a "conjecture". Which pretty much means you are just inventing whatever you say. Thanks, good to know,

See, the problem is that there are no "old nuclear warheads" or "old ICMBs" anywhere in Ukraine. The case is that not "most of them were taken", but an agreement for which ALL nuclear weapons were passed to the RF.

https://www.icanw.org/did_ukraine_give_up_nuclear_weapons?locale=en#:~:text=In%201992%2C%20Ukraine%20signed%20the,and%20all%20launch%20silos%20decommissioned.


Next time you go high and start imagining things, please let us know again, so that we give your "best guesses" all the attention they really deserve - that is - a comment from someone who has not bothered to get even the most basic information about this war.

These were not missiles, but FAB-500 high-explosive bombs of the middle of the last century (additionally equipped with modern planning and correction modules). These modified bombs have recently become a big headache for Ukraine, because they allow hitting fortified objects in the vicinity of the front line, while the aircraft itself is not included in the front-line air defense coverage area. The bombs themselves are almost free, Russia has a lot of them since the days of the USSR. With such bombs, even without planning and correction modules, Azovstal in Mariupol was actively bombed a year ago, breaking the resistance of the Nazis of Azov.

Russia accidentally bombs own city near Ukrainian border

Reminded me of the Pepcon incident which happened to be associated with rocket fuel production.  Perchlorate in this case.



This kind of an incident will look much different at night than in daylight of course, but looking at the smoke trails from the first incident (which do seem pretty characteristic of what I would expect from a lot of s300(-like) solid fuel rockets going off) I would say that the big one looks like more of a single mass detonation.  As opposed to, say, a vaccum-type explosion such as the Lebanese 'grain storage' event or the TOS-Ax 'heavy flame thrower' thermobaric weapons which would be characterized as explosions or conflagrations.  At least as I understand/use the terms.

Noteworthy also is the fairly strong and lingering stationary glow at the cloud level.  I would say that there was still a lot of something quite uncommon burning at the (postulated by me) crater at ground zero.

Hypersonic weapons? Poland? UK? Oh dear... From the beginning of the invasion the Russian military capabilities have steadily been deteriorating. The number of equipment losses is well documented, the fact they have been rolling out older and older equipment as well. In terms of missiles their production capabilities have also been analyzed and estimated many times over. At this point Russia is far closer to running out of equipment than invading or attacking any other country.

Yep. Congratulations to Ukraine on a well-planned and executed drone attack on an oil depot in Sevastopol. I hope this raised their morale a little on the eve of the counteroffensive, otherwise they were completely depressed. Good job.

I do not know what your confidence is based on, apparently on nothing. Personally, I do not yet see an urgent need for my presence at the front, it seems that professional military men, former prisoners and rural Buryat volunteers can cope quite well without me.

A high level of cynicism is my middle name. AI respect this philosophical movement for its ability to openly look into the eyes of reality, not to feed on false illusions and to call a spade a spade.

The nature of the detonation seemed to me similar to the recent complete destruction of one of the S-300s by the Lancet loitering ammunition, but on a larger scale. It seems that lately Russia has staged a large-scale "witch hunt" for missile defense systems and in Pavlograd one of the missiles hit the S-300 ammunition depot. If the recent leak of secret documents regarding the acute shortage of Soviet-style missile defense systems for the Buk and S-300 systems is true, then as a result of this "witch hunt" Ukraine may remain completely defenseless against front-line air raids from heights unattainable for manual air defense systems. We'll see.

Lol.  You forgot to snip or edit my actual words before changing them to try to make a straw-man argument.  Even the argument you tried to make is pretty meaningless especially since I went out of my way to stipulate that these where my best-guesses.

Here's some other info/conjectures/whatever which were proposed since my post:

  https://archive.md/Dj3GA

Seems that Ukraine had the great idea to (not very speedily) decommission soviet era ICBM's in a small city.  Also in the same city, produce more rocket fuel for newer weapons.  Then transfer all manner of weapons and ammo through the city to prosecute a war with a fairly near-by adversary who can touch any part of the country at will.  Then apparently allow the transported weapons to log-jam in the city.  Gee, what could go wrong?

Thank God that there were some actual adult leaders back when the Soviet Union fell apart and most of the nuclear warheads were taken away from these apes.

As for what really happened (if anything), whatever crater is there will be most indicative.  I'm awaiting further info on that but there is a lot of secrecy about the whole event at the moment.

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There was like a 6 or 8 hour gap with no matches for 'pavlograd' on google, ddg, or bing.  (When bothering with MSM just to observe the shit they are feeding the sheeple, I tend to us Bing which still has sort-by-date as a (probably fake-ish) option.)

Looks like they have made a decision that things cannot be totally hidden so to go ahead and admit it, but try to spin it in the best possible light.

  https://archive.md/KAW2a

Where as a fire which consumed maybe only a single tank of bunker-C in the middle of one of the most important naval base in the world and didn't even shut down the facilities will be talked about as the end of Russia for months straight (and recycled for the duration of the conflict), the little firecracker in Pavlograd means nothing.

I especially like the spin about how since the Russians didn't load their strategic bombers to the gills with ordnance, it means that they are running out.  To me it seems much more likely that they put in a few unstoppable hypersonic weapons and knew for sure that that would be all it would take.

Of course the Russians are not going to waste missiles for no reason.  Nobody would.  My guess is that they are saving up plenty for Poland.  And maybe a nice big fatty packed with depleted uranium for the farmlands of the British Isles.  Shouldn't bother the British very much since they are on record as saying that DU is not a problem.

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Oh, another update.  Seems that marginally more stuff can be found using the string 'pavlohrad'.  Still analysing.

Anyway, we now have authoritative word from super-reliable Zelenskj himself that two whole people were lost.  As can be seen in Al-Jizz-era, Pavlograd/Pavlohrad looks pretty good and the little firecracker seen in other footage did only some surface level structural damage.

  https://archive.md/wip/ljbxE

Here's a pic of the Russian attack from another totally-reliable-because-it's-mainstream source which I located via bing news.:

img width=500]https://ogden_images.s3.amazonaws.com/www.miningjournal.net/images/2023/05/01154732/AP23120322288238-1100x733.jpg[/img]

No, they do kidnap children, but they do not take them to sanatoriums.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/03/16/un-investigators-russian-deportation-of-ukrainian-children-a-war-crime-a80519


All talk, no sources, no confirmation. As usual, disinformation - not that I was expecting anything else.

"Chemical for ICBMs", I am sure this raises an alarm for anyone that does not understand what is an ICBM. ICBM come with their own "chemicals" included in the pack.



You? Meaning who?

Sorry to break this to you, but Scotland already had a referendum and decided to be part of the UK. You see, that is where people decide what they want - you probably do not understand this, look it up in Wikipedia. If they choose to have a new one, they certainly can, no problem.

Oh, BTW, quality wise, people leaving the RF are precisely the professionals that can do it - the "quality" people, with proper education, resources and ability to make other countries better.


They just do not get it. They just send drones to try to destroy the civilian infrastructure, such as cities electrical supply, with very limited success. However one attack like this, right to the war critical infrastructure is beyond their understanding and yet 100 times more effective.

And they think this is about a punch exchange... no no... this is about taking the war into the occupied territory that Putin thought as "safe" and even in the RF territory properly said. Much more to come.

Before Putin actuated the invasion, he signed off on article 51 of the UN security council. It was to be a police action to stop the Ukraine fascist government from unconscionably attacking their own people in Donbas. Putin made what he did to be within international law.

Nobody knows the future, but, there is more probability that the US and Nato will stop supporting Ukraine, which will cause Ukraine to totally collapse militarily.

Ukraine achieving a few hits within Russia is like Hitler who had V-2 rockets that made it into space. They are a last-ditch operation that with Hitler, never got started until the war was essentially over. Same with Ukraine.

It is finally time Russia starts experiencing what they have been doing against Ukraine for more than one year now.Belgorod and Sevastopol are just the start,it will go much deeper in the heart of Russia and hopefully this will start and awake the "zombies" as this is what Russians citizens are,they will go into protests as they will risk their own life.All those meetings Ukraine had with the Western powers I am sure they have gotten much longer range weapons capable of striking deep into Russia and I don't believe much in nuclear rhetoric because they know well if they use them,by international law they will be eradicated from earth soon after and I don't think Russians are stupid.

Putin: "Nice one!  Hold my beer."

   Pavlograd detonation
   https://www.bitchute.com/video/Z56MeGhEO34t/

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Before hearing Dima's theories (or anyone elses' really) I'm going to posit that Ukraine had had it's rocket fuel plant running there and/or were salvaging chemicals from ICBMs which may or may not have been being decommisioned.  Deep underground (like the place where the NATO command is probably still buried.)  I'm going to guess that the same basic weapon was used to do some mining, and they hit pay-dirt.  Big time.

Excuses, excuses I'm sure that there is many people in front who had small or average business, but offcourse, it's easier to tell kill Ukrainians comfortably sitting thousands km away from front.


It looks that you're strangely obessed with LGBT, constantly talking about it on your posts. Rebuilding houses, hospitals, schools and etc after they destroyed it themselves and killed thousands of civilians - it's quite high level of cynisism.

Hey be.open, do you smoke? It seems that someone has been smoking in Sevastopol - once again near fuel tanks. Since the Ukrainian offensive is all bluff and fake, it must be someone smoking so please print this, cut it and send it over to all fuel depots around. That would help your country much more than propagandising here and throwing a few "nazis" to the soup at night.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/fuel-tank-ablaze-sevastopol-official-says-apparent-drone-attack-2023-04-29/


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/18/fires-and-explosions-reported-at-military-targets-in-russia-and-crimea

Either my sarcasm is too good, or my english is too bad, or both. The detonation of ammunition and the complete destruction of the target did not occur, it is difficult to judge the degree of damage from the video. In addition, it is not known whether this Lancet was with a high-explosive fragmentation or with a cumulative warhead. Surely this Gepard can be returned to service, the question is when and with what efforts, perhaps he even just escaped with a slight fright and humiliation from the "hunter became a victim" series. In any case, the power of the Lancet charge of any modification is clearly not enough to confidently hit targets on a tank chassis, even with lighter armor like that of the Gepard.

I have a small business that does not take much time and effort from me, but still requires some kind of supervision for normal operations. In addition, the current legislation of Russia does not allow combining a contract with the armed forces and owning a private enterprise. I will have to sell, trust or liquidate my business to avoid legal conflict and management paralysis.

I'm sorry if I disappointed you with the prosaic nature of the reason and did not help establish the suspicion that I am one of the 2% of psychopaths who do not close their eyes when pulling the trigger of a sniper rifle and who simply like to kill people for money without legal consequences, under the banner of the fight against Nazism, or something like that.

I'll tell you more, maternity capital payments will be received by families from the DPR, LPR, Kherson and Zaporizhia regions that have children born since 2007 (this year the program began to operate throughout Russia). It's just outrageous that this cunning treacherous tyrant allows himself?

In general, the Russian occupiers are behaving extremely undemocratic. Instead of bringing the bright rainbow light of true LGBT values to the natives and exchanging oil and gold for fashionable glass beads, Russians, wherever they invaded around the world, immediately begin to build - hospitals, schools, houses, factories, and confuse the immature minds of the local population with social payments. They also kidnap children, take them to their sanatoriums and feed them five times a day for free, without following a vegan diet. Barbarians in one word.

Don't celebrate too early. Don't you know that cats have 9 lives:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9hlMYnzNbg

Why you don't start with yourself? Why you're still not in front to fight against evil nazis and denazify Ukraine? Ukrainian drones attack Crimea what is supposed to be Russian territory, Belgorod. But no, you select to be keyboard warrior and fight your war on Bitcoin forum.

Surprise, surprise, tabloid posted clickbate article. I must admit that they should try harder to reach level of Russian propaganda.

Meanwhile, Putin signed the law on the status of a combat veteran for those who fought in the Donbas since 2014. #Иxтaмнeт they say:
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1651942418139299840
http://kremlin.ru/acts/news/71043

The idea behind the Gepards was to protect the S-300's.  They didn't.

Re-training of both the crews and the officers in charge of planning may be in order.  I'm sure that both men and officers of Ukraine would much rather participate in the suicidal fight with the Russians than go to chill out in the West doing boring training though.

To be fair, it looks like all the hardware was on-the-move.  The Russians seem to have had pretty good intel on when what would be where...or they had a hell of a lot of kit saturating the skies.  The Ukrainians seem to have had chronic problems keeping information of this nature secure.  One suspects that the problem stems from the whole place being infused with corruption, and operating in an area where only a minority of the population wants the 'home team' to win.  Probably a significant fraction of the soldiery themselves are of questionable 'patriotism' given that they got kidnapped off the street by the commissars and there are swastika bearing neo-nazi brigades in the rear for the purpose of shooting soldiers who retreat (as well as assorted civilians when things get boring.)

There's a video of that hit, you can find it if you're interested, and the Gepard survived the attack. There was no fire and just a small explosion of the drone itself. Most likely fixable, which is why the Russian side only shows that screenshot everywhere. The damage looked like a hand grenade went off on that Gepard's armor.
The "Ivan" operating that drone must be stunned that German tanks don't turn into a flare when hit.

Meanwhile Russians are cooking inside their tanks as they try to escape Ukrainian forces. Notice the half-cooked Invader opening the hatch and escaping his oven at 0:40.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxABIwf3ASg