Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 144. (Read 73687 times)

Of course, as all the S-300 were destroyed, and the Patriot destroyed, and all and any help destroyed by "precision strikes", yet the RF cannot fly any closer than 40 km from the Ukrainian positions, there's evidence or air defence.... you know, what ever you choose to believe as long as it matches what's out there.

I repeat, there is evidence of strikes using Storm Shadows, including a command bunker as far as Mariupol (which cannot be destroyed with drones).

On Belgorod... does it matter? Is it a victory? Could be argued, but what is clear is that the RF has thousands of kilometres of contact with Ukraine and there are not enough qualified troops to protect it all.

Does it matter if there is a suspicious cloud of smoke by the MoD in Moscow... I do not know, but ... there it is.

And RF claims to have destroyed many maritime drones... but...https://9gag.com/gag/a4o2jj6

EDITED: I read yesterday about this. I think it would be of the outmost stupidity to deploy tactical nukes. Anywhere to be honest. Like I said with the depleted Uranium, why would you that to a "friend". Oh, and what happens if Lukashenko is "replaced"??

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/russia-tactical-nuclear-weapons-belarus-98157727

EDITED: True scale of losses in Bakhmut: Wagner's estimated losses by pro-RF sources for avoidance of doubt, at 40.000. More than in 8 years in Afghanistan. Hardly a victory.

The strikes on the Crimea were carried out by Mugin-5 drones, and the target designation for them was provided by the American RQ-4B UAV from the Black Sea. Rumor has it that all Storm Shadow delivered to Ukraine were stored in the same warehouse as the depleted uranium shells and were destroyed by one accurate hit by Geranium. Perhaps that is why the Bundestag recently called to go for broke and transfer Taurus cruise missiles with a range of up to 500 km to Ukraine.

A semi-automated system, not unusual at all and not really cyberpunk. This type of stuff is designed to avoid a missiles going through the protected area while the operator is gone pissing and very similar to the systems you would find in civil nuclear facilities and industrial installations. I guess I am not worried about having another system for defence.

Of course you are not going to get reports of what is happening with the missile strikes in Crimea, were you expecting to get them from the RF MoD? Ukraine is using it newly gained ability to use the Storm Shadow quite well. Not only in Crimea.

If you go back hundreds of years you run smack into the 'pale of settlement' and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth which controlled communication along a line from the Baltic to the Black sea.  With the developments of China's Belt-n-Road (and Russian pipelines), control of such a swath would be an enormously valuable wealth spigot for anyone who can hold it together.  I'm almost sure that it is exactly this which has the 'neocons' working overtime on this project and has Blackrock pumping huge amounts of (other people's) money into it.

I very much hope that Russia does engineer a 'rump state' for Ukraine.  The alternative is to try to deal with a truly damaged population in Western and Central Ukraine (which may or may not now be also contaminated with DU fragments.)  If you try to ethnically cleanse them you'll A) be a nation who supports and implements ethnic cleansing, and B) drive a bunch of them into other areas where they will fester and create continuous problems at a time in the future when nobody will welcome such problems (including the RF.)  Safer to just contain them in some sort of a granuloma (to borrow a medical term) and hope they heal themselves over time.  Every time they step out of line, bring the hammer down.

I would suggest avoiding 'Galicia' like the plague.  Seems to be a cesspit of evil and likely to remain so forever.  I would suggest make a line right through Lvov with Poland 'gifted' the areas South and Ukraine in the North.  I would suggest a relatively narrow strip next to Northern Modova joining with Solavakia and Hungary.  The Western Pipelineistan region of RF so to speak.  This will give good access into Central Europe.  (We'll discuss latter what Poland (and Lithuania) gift to the cause in return in the more Northern direction.)

I would say that the U.N. has abandoned all pretenses of fairness and neutrality and should simply be ignored going forward.  Similarly, the collective West has made it abundantly clear that any 'agreements' with them are not worth the paper they are printed on.  Don't bother trying.  Plan on just taking what you want/need in a little while once NATO has collapsed, but note that if you are seen as 'fair' and an honest actor with no interest in an 'empire', future problems are far less likely to crop up and everyone will be better for it.  I'd demand (and enforce) 'neutrality' and 'demilitarization' for a pretty significant buffer zone, but otherwise make it clear (and true) that you don't give a fuck if the 'collective West' wants to live on lab grown meat and insects, castrate their children, swap out their populations with third-worlders, etc.

BTW, I don't rule out at all the possibility that the 'Russian deep-state' is actively working to prepare exactly the sea-to-sea area that the 'American' neocons lust after and is planning to just hand it over to them when the Ukrainian slavs are wiped out.  Time will tell.  If that does occur I would hope it would trigger a revolution in Russia.

This is not just a wasteland valley, it is a broken symbol of Ukrainian resistance. Moreover, Zelensky made Bakhmut a symbol of Ukraine’s resistance, publicly declared this in the US Congress, and then for many months continued to insist on a senseless defense from a military point of view, giving carte blanche to the commanders-in-chief of the ground forces of Syrsky, contrary to the opinion of Zaluzhny and numerous advisers from the USA and Great Britain. It turned out something like with Mariupol, it is symbolic that her cities fell on the same day with a difference of one year. The head of the DPR, Pushilin, recently confirmed that Bakhmut will be rebuilt, just like Mariupol. We broke it ourselves - we'll fix it ourselves.

I do not see recent reports of any significant problems in the Crimea. Another night launch of drones from the Shkolny airfield in Odessa, again without much success. It seems Russian air defense and electronic warfare are pretty good.

By the way, yesterday, reports appeared on the Russian-language Internet about the successful completion of full-scale tests in Ukraine of the new Vityaz S-350 air defense system, which is capable of operating in a fully automatic mode (the operator’s actions are only needed to cancel the missile launch, if nothing is done, the launch occurs automatically when the target is captured). The cyberpunk we deserve.

ps The destruction in Bakhmut is mostly superficial, Russia's pleasant trophy was the huge underground storage of the Artyomovsky sparkling wine factory with 12 million bottles of excellent sparkling wine. Not bad.

The RF army has taken a wasteland valley where a city called Bakhmut used to be and you seem quite happy about it. Oh, well, I like your attitude of being happy with what you can get. However, the RF still has not learned that smoking in Crimea is not a good idea. So many depots, military infrastructure and fuel burning these days, one would think that they should have learned by now.

Russia seems to have an endless amount of unguided rockets but are these things actually any use if they are not that accurate?I saw a video of an aircraft that looked to have been literally pointing upwards before it lauchced its payload.I assume the trajectories are some type of unguided munition but am still wondering how they hit anything apart from some random point within range of what they are actually aiming at.Does anyone know how these work?

Blah blah blah lol.

Fucking idiots, at least they would take Turkish armored vehicles. Couldn't keep Bakhmut? Let's send a suicide battalion in American armored vehicles, tell everyone that these are "Russian partisans", let them take over a village club near the border and everyone will die there. Brilliant.

I could answer that for Ukraine in the typical "Russian" style.
We don't know how they got them, we didn't provide them, they probably stole these machines from the battlefield.

Remember what Russia was saying about the Malaysian Flight 17 in 2014?
We weren't there, there were no Russian BUK systems in Ukraine. The US provided satellite images of Russian BUKs, but Russia answered that those belonged to the Ukrainian separatists.
Then the US provided satellite images showing the missile launchers were moved after the accident towards Russia - Russia denied again.
People were posting pictures and videos of Russian BUKs with Russian flags painted on them driving on the Ukrainian roads, but Russia kept denying and repeating that there were no Russian forces there.

When they catch you with your hand in the cookie jar, say it's not your hand.

It is possible the Russian soldiers who fought on the Ukrainian side took some of the abandoned vehicles for themselves, the way Ukrainian forces use salvaged Russian vehicles and weapons.
On the battlefield nobody cares who picks up what. If you find a tank - it's yours now. Same can be said about a hummer, or a missile launcher.

I have a plan from 2026 with no Putin on it. If he is such a fan of history, he should become history.

Re peace treaty, a demilitarised zone sound like a good idea. 80 Km may be too much, I would go for 79 km. Jokes apart, peace after the invasion will mean nothing if there are not enough guarantees of this not happening again next time the oil barrel goes over 70 USD, which seems to be the RF preferred moment to create problems to everyone.

I have a map from the 1900s with no Ukraine on it, LOL.
https://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/1900/index.html

I think an 80 km demilitarized/depopulated/mined (controlled by the Ukrainians) zone on the Russian side would suffice.

Any Russian artillery coming closer needs to be destroyed.

Such a zone might not be necessary because in 5 years Moscovia will be what is left of RF, and Moscovia will be friendly to all
its neighbors, on both sides of the Ural mountains.

Why do we need RF? Nations enslaved by Slavic Russians need to be freed. End of story.

PS. Free Chechnya, Yakutia, Buryatia, Dagestan, etc.!!!

PPS. I have a map from the 800s with no Russia (RF, Russian Empire, Moscovia) on it, LOL.
https://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/800/index.html

Well, that is, you deliberately threw in a fake and do not deny it. And Ukraine sells American military aid in military shops. Maybe I'll quote it too.

Are you also surprised by the US imperialist ambitions to control territory in the other hemisphere? It would seem, where is the United States, and where is the Black Sea, what was forgotten in general in this area?

By soft power, do you mean bribing unscrupulous politicians and officials, blackmailing and physical elimination of the recalcitrant, organizing coups according to the "color revolutions" manuals, and other actively used arsenal of the US State Department? Russia is not very good at soft power, you are right.

I'm not sure that a border between Russia and Ukraine is needed at all. Yesterday Putin met with the Chairman of the Constitutional Court Zorkin, and he brought to the meeting a French map of Europe of the 17th century, on which there is no Ukraine. Putin loves history and restore historical justice. And it seems he is quite sure that Russians and Ukrainians are one people, and Ukraine appeared as a separate state only as part of the Ukrainian SSR during the formation of the Soviet Union.

Yesterday's events in Belgorod clearly showed the value of Ukraine's promises not to use Western military assistance in relation to "mainland" Russia. How many kilometers should the buffer zone be, assuming there should be one at all? 300? 500? Why do we need Ukraine in this case?

ps What does the fall of Bakhmut in Ukraine really mean?

If I were Russia, I would draw the line between lands which will be part of Rump Ukraine and those under Russian protection using the 2nd Yanakovich/Yuchenko vote as a rough guide.  That means well above Dnipro at the river crossing point.

Due to the NATO practices is of making broad use of local population as human shields, and their use of depleted uranium munitions which damages areas on a generational timescale, I would engineer the main fighting to occur on lands which will ultimately be part of Rumpkraine.

Militarily, the efficiency of not having such a high bar in avoiding collateral damage will likely outweigh the limitations in battlefield selection.  It's ugly, but 100% the doing of the party who chose to implement these reprehensible methods of doing battle in the first place, and that wasn't the Russians.  Anyone who has sided with Ukraine and sent them support is ALREADY guilty to some degree of the tactics that Ukraine has been using.

Maybe, didn't posted it as 100% happened fact. Bryansk oblast isn't near to Kyiv, but somehow few aircrafts in one day were downed there.

Quoted for future use. So far you didn't had much luck with you future predictions.

You can buy at every military shop . Remember ''little green men'' from 201.

Finally, at least we could agree, after months and months of posting silly, that the reason for this war is Crimea. Not the "Nazis", not the "Genocide", not "Referendums"... but the sad truth: an imperialistic fight for a strategic region that has already been the reason of previous wars. I hope this clears to path for others to understand where all this comes from.

On regards to the baltics, Poland, Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria,... the USSR made so many "friends". Without that support it would be impossible to challenge the RF in their own backyard. The conflict could be avoided, but it is nearly impossible to do so with a despotic government, a bunch of kleptocrats and an army that needs an enemy to prove that they are needed. It would have seem impossible to prevent another war in central Europe after WW II and then the reconstruction and reunification of Germany, but as they say "where there is a will, there is a way". Again, a problem of the RF failing to use soft power with Ukraine.

Oh, RE UK ambitions... well, I am afraid that you have forgotten all the rest of Europe. As individual countries, West Europe weights little, but they accepted that many decades ago and built the EU and a network of alliances in science, economy and education. Thanks to Putin, now that will extend to the military.

Again, you're trying to turn things upside down in a rather clumsy way, quite in your style. I remember the events of 2014 very well, the base in Sevastopol was a real bone of contention. After the successful coup d'état in Ukraine, the United States' wet dreams of turning the Black Sea into NATO's inland sea began to rapidly take on the outlines of reality and this became a trigger for the annexation of Crimea. The current conflict in Ukraine is a natural continuation of those events. The US desperately needed a proxy conflict with Russia, and it got it. The only nuance is that when Russia realized that the conflict could not be avoided, it struck first and carried it out according to its own scenario. Do not exaggerate the role of Ukraine or the Baltics here, this is a proxy conflict between the United States and Russia. All other countries are backing dancers here, including the UK (which has its own ambitions, but does not have enough strength to realize them). Well, Ukraine in the unenviable role of the stage.

In Afghanistan, they treat Russia with respect, they remember that it was an honest and worthy adversary. And the Afghans urinate on the American flag in the morning, because the United States deceived them, just as they will deceive Ukraine at the first opportunity.

Summing up the arguments:
 
Putin's RF - The war could be avoided by letting Putin and the current Moscow government decide what Ukraine and the Baltic Republics can or cannot do. Primakov doctrine at full throttle.

US Falcons position (and Ukraine's): No, you cannot get it your way. US relentless pressure, as usual. Go to war, do speeches, create proxy wars and ride a horse half naked, but the answer is not.

Putin does no longer get to set the conditions and if he goes to war... I guess the US is very happy about it. Revitalises the NATO (which was pretty much dead), sells weapons, creates a new ally where there was not, expands NATO and in the way gets Europe and Russia to fuckup their economies.

When things get to this point, one has to measure carefully how big can bite and how big is the other dog. I am afraid that the USSR is gone. It's might is also much reduced (if you want to consider the RF the heir to it).

But this war is also the failure of the RF to present a credible alliance alternative - a soft power incentive - for many the former USSR republics and that has a lot to do with how the RF government has done business after becoming the RF, but also about how the USSR treated these nations.


The Poles? Poland is giving Ukraine pretty much anything they ask for including Migs-29 and tanks. Relative to their size they are the biggest contributor... do not believe everything you read.

Hummer and all that... oh I guess they got them in the same way that "Ukrainian Separatists" troops in the Donbas had Russian tanks and Russian military "advisors". It is just Russians fighting for their freedom with whatever equipment they can get hold of. Just like the RF Ukrainians in Luhansk.

Seriously... If I were Russian I would not use Afghanistan as an example. You know...

The Ukrainian troops in Bakhmut were not "elite" at all. There is ample coverage of where the well trained troops are, but you do not want to believe it anyway so... time will tell.

I am quite calm. And Ukraine has already become a laughingstock even for the Poles, who called the foray into the Belgorod region another propaganda circus.  

ps If "Ukraine has nothing to do with this, this is Russian citizens performing an special military operation on their own", then how did the saboteurs end up with American MaxxPro and Hummer armored vehicles? Ukraine does not control US military assistance?

pps Kim Dotcom

Whats interesting is I keep meeting Russians that have fled their country to avoid the draft. Met one in Feb and then 3 more this month. They are all nice, intelligent people that just don't want to have to fight in an utterly pointless war. I've met other Russians who left because of the lack of job opportunities. They had bosses who were from the US or UK, got fired, and now they can't find work b/c nobody will hire them.

Both amazing and sad that the whole thing is still going. Doesn't seem like whoever is actually in charge of Russia's military was ever actually trying to win. So the only way it will end is when Putin dies or is otherwise ousted from power.