Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 182. (Read 77449 times)

Your links is broken
Maybe learn to post proper links before calling other people idiots?

Idiot, in your nazi ruᛋᛋia such a unit appeared back in 1998. And in 2011, this division was named "Edelweiss"

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oтpяд_cпeциaльнoгo_нaзнaчeния_«Aвaнгapд»

And then, when they found out that Zelensky had named one of the Ukrainian troops "Edelweiss," the ruᛋᛋian nazis shit themselves and quickly renamed their squad. Although they did not provide any evidence about the renaming of the squad

Before you bark something here, first dig into the history of nazi ruᛋᛋia, my advice

Original nazi unit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Mountain_Division_(Wehrmacht)

2 days ago formed spiritual successor:

https://www.president.gov.ua/documents/802023-45805

No, Putin's government tried to take Kiev, except that their intelligence was so poor that they though the government and army would flee. "No too hard" costed 1000s of RF soldiers lives. No, Putin's government declared they would overtake Ukraine, that includes the Donbas (particularly the Donbas). Again, for "not wanting" that piece of land, it costed RF mothers quite a few of their brethren.

Remember, this is not a theory or a dissertation or a discussion on a pub - Putin's Psychos make mistakes, RF soldiers get killed. Big mistakes, thousands of dead, small mistakes more dead. Now, keep on rationalising, their mothers, wives and children don't get them back.

Interesting how you somehow pretend that non-belligerent countries have to pay compensation. For what? You dictator says there is no war. How can there be reparations? Unless you have decided to admit here that there is a war and get 10 years of prison.

Translation: "To get rid of the Nazis" - Putin's government made-up expression that justifies any war crime. Examples: Why did they bomb the school in XYZ? - "because they were Nazis inside", why they they destroy the powerplans in Ukraine - "because the electricity was being used by Nazis". Use it without moderation, as it does not require any evidence.

Again, Ukraine and many Ukrainians fought the real Nazis.

It's obvious you're just trying to spin whatever you can in a pro Russia way because you're a Putin fan boy.  But you gotta look at how the actual pro Russia Russians are spinning things for Putin since they're actually on the ground with access to the most reliable information.

When they start saying 'wtf this is not going well', that's your cue to stop telling everyone how well things are going.

Make sense?

Almost all of what most boomers 'know' is wrong (Bill Casey FTW!.)  That's one of the reasons why the planners tend to be older.  At least that is the case in countries who's governments are not bent on the destruction of said country.  If you are one of the 'order out of chaos' types then you'll want to collapse things, and there is no surer way to do it than to put boomers in charge.  The more 'pinko'/'eviro'/'transo'/'fago'/'generally-fucked-up-o', etc the better.


RT is gross propaganda of the same nature as any other like media entity anywhere.  As usual, you have to figure out the how, why where elements of their shtick.  In this case, if the plebs think that the soft-touch was a mistake, it will justify the taking off of the gloves.  Doing so is probably what the leadership has decided is, regrettably, the most logical path forward.

RT, and Russia generally, seems to be gunning for the 'factual' end of the media landscape.  Not probably because they are especially honest, but more because the other end of the spectrum (that is to say, completely fabricated blatant bullshit all day every day) is already taken by the Western media.  From my standpoint as a 'truther', it makes RT slightly more valuable for hard facts than, say, CNN.  They are still propaganda though, and thus fundamentally in the same basic mainstream media category.

Even the boomer Russians know that the first couple months of the war were a failure for Russia.  

Maybe lay off the incel conspiracy youtube channels and stick to something closer to reality like RT or something.

Russia invaded neither city, nor did they try real hard.  They threatened them in order to pull Ukrainian forces from other areas which they did intend to keep.  Of course Russia would have been happy if Ukraine would have surrendered since it would further one of the goals.  Namely 'de-nazification'.  But they never put the forces together to win these cities militarily against a determined adversary.  They, and every other competent person can see this.


Moscow studiously avoided doing so when practical in all areas, but most particularly the one's they plan to incorporate into the federation.  Kiev wasted a lot of ammo trying to do so in Donetsk, and still does for reasons known only to the NaZiocons.  You'll have to ask them, but I would suggest that expending ammo on trying to kill civilians detracted from their ability to fight Russians and contributed to the generally poor performance in terms of logistics and strategy.


To get rid of the Nazis.  Next question?


Generally they avoid it unless there is a high-value target.  Most of the time when a seemingly benign civilian target is hit, it's traced back to errant Ukrainian air defences.  Of course Ukraine and the Western propaganda always say 'Russia did it', but their proclaimations are completely without value to anyone who is somewhat infomed and observant.  They will always say the same thing, within minutes, no matter what the details.


It's obvious they don't, and they would only do so under extreme duress.  It would not 'accomplish the mission' of de-nazification anyway since the West would absorb the Nazi-types as 'refugees' and keep them busy with operations like the 'Charleston' hoax.


At this point, they very well might.  The economic and strategic value will make up for the reparations that the West obviously won't be paying to Russia.


Very possible that they are generally on-board and in bed with the WEF and Talmudic and designers of this whole engineering effort.  I cannot rule it out.


What's very very amusing is that the geenyuses in the U.S. were dead-set on turning Ukraine into a quagmire or 'another Vietnam' which would sap Russia and they were positively gloating about it.  In reality it turned into exactly the opposite.  Russia is doing quite well on the world stage (in part because most of the world is sick of Western bullshit and only stick around for the bribe money), and the 'collective West' is bleeding out at an impressive rate.

I suggest that the WEF types knew this would happen and welcomed it.  The Talmudics running the U.S. most likely as well.  Some of the low-level Neocons (e.g., Jake Sullivan) may well have believed the bullshit that he had a hand in creating.  That's why to real powers install not-very-bright people into fairly high level positions.

Of course... it is the Elfs, Santa Claus and Supergirl who are fighting in Ukraine. Just to follow through your argument: You have stated several times that Ukraine should just surrender and all that right? How is it possible that 16 year olds (with the help of the three mentioned) are holding the entire RF army and managed to regain 3000 km2 of territory? Why would anyone surrender to an army that can be stopped by teenagers, avengers and Elfs?

I forgot to ask you... how is your request for RF citizenship going?

Oh wow.  When did the Ukrainian troops return to Ukraine?  Must have been yesterday, or the day before that, right?

Russia was simply protecting and saving Russian and Ukrainian people in the Donbas, etc., who the Ukrainian military was shelling and killing... people who often would rather have had their land be part of Russia, anyway. All Russia wanted to do was save the people, but the US and Nato turned it into a big fat war, a war of conquest of Russia.

"Okay," says Russia. "War's what you want, war's what you'll get."

I do not like war.  And Russia started this one by invading Ukraine (again). 


I could do better.  How about you?

It's the best you can do?

TwitchySeal likes the war. He understands that it's the US and Nato that have started the war, and have been making it happen. I suspect that he is holding shares in whatever companies will be taking over Russian lands if Ukraine can be made to win the whole thing.

If Ukraine loses, however, no big loss. TS is not in harms way, and he will recoup his losses with some other investment. More than likely, he is hedging his Ukraine bet with investments in Russia, just for the event that Russia might win.

Btw, I like your use of the tilde ( ~ ) to indicate snipped materials. I might start using it in the future.

From your analysis Russia also really suffer defeat in some areas, I thought Ukraine is always at the receiving end. And also I thought the war has been subsided. This war has really claim lives and properties. There was a time I was hearing that Putin has agreed to negotiate with Ukraine to end the war.

Oh look, a walking talking Putin Puppet!

It is amazing how you have seen right through   Of course, US allies are enemies, Putin is a communist fighting capitalism and the US army, government, intelligence agencies and everyone there does not realize any of it. Is BADeker passing you some of his medicines? Be aware that they are from Mexico and not DFA approved... effects like paranoia are common if you take them.

What you quote there is something easy to see. RF did not want (still does not) to conquer all Ukraine because that would be untenable. They want a version of Lukashenko sitting in Kiev and two statelets in the Donbas.

They failed to sit a pro-RF dictator - at the cost of many veteran's lives - in the battle of Kiev. They are now going for a land bridge to Crimea and two statelets. After the hopless offensive actions an Ukrainian counter-attack is scheduled and being prepared (that is what MBT are for, clear for anyone who wants to see, if not they would be requesting artillery, not tanks, 30MM motorized, planes and helicopters). This will determine how much of a disaster this war becomes for the RF.

RF submarines have been at sea carrying nuclear capable weapons since they had them.

I am just going to let my imagination fly for a moment...

- From the manuals of RF military doctrine: frontline depth 1km, second line 5 to 10 km after, divisional reserves at 30 km.
- HIMARS range roughly 80km. This means that divisional reserves, communications with the front and anything else is in range.

2 tank brigades, 4 motorised infantry brigades, artillery support and HIMARS. Start with command centres, hit the artillery positions in the 30km range, launch armoured attack. You can blitz past the divisional reserves in two days.

If I were a RF soldier and knowing the slooooowwww decision making process and "aptitudes" of the generals I would be seriously scared. The front length allows for the strike to happen pretty much anywhere with just two to three days of warning signs.

America’s Real Adversaries Are Its European and Other Allies

https://www.unz.com/mhudson/americas-real-adversaries-are-its-european-and-other-allies/

"Instead of a real military threat from Russia and China, the problem for American strategists is the absence of such a threat. All countries have come to realize that the world has reached a point at which no industrial economy has the manpower and political ability to mobilize a standing army of the size that would be needed to invade or even wage a major battle with a significant adversary. That political cost makes it uneconomic for Russia to retaliate against NATO adventurism prodding at its western border trying to incite a military response. It’s just not worth taking over Ukraine."



Edit: not good

https://apa.az/en/cis-countries/norwegian-intelligence-russian-ships-for-the-first-time-in-30-years-go-to-sea-with-nuclear-weapons-396330

Ukraine was open about the fact that the ghost of kiev was not real. It was a myth about a single fighter pilot that was basically a super hero.  



Remember when Ukraine sunk Russias flagship the Moskva?



How about the ambush that wiped out nearly an entire Russian battalion crossing a river?



How about when the bridge from cry me a river exploded?


Then there was the blitz from last fall when Ukraine reclaimed over 3,000 sq km in a few days.

Or the barracks full of freshly mobilized Russians the got exploded.

Or all of March and April when Russia failed to hold the Airport outside Kyiv and was eventually forced to retreat after getting stuck in the mud and failing to encircle Kiev or give be.open his parade.  (Yeah I know, you've been convinced this was all part of Putins plan.  lol.  More loyal than the pro russia war bloggers.)