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legendary
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February 19, 2023, 06:53:02 AM
~ Any real evidence of that, or is it just what you want to believe?

People of the civilized world will not stop supporting Ukraine until the last Russian soldier leaves the occupied areas(Crimea included), because what Putin's regime did was a brutal attack on civilized world, which Russia itself used to be a part of not that long ago. And if such thing goes unpunished, then other barbarians might start thinking they could try to do the same.


This isn't the first that I have seen. However, it's possibly the first formal move I have seen in Congress. I have posted a few other posts that suggest the same thing in other ways.

Congressman Matt Gaetz and 10 others are making this formal. Nobody knows how much success they will have. Watch the video of Gaetz on the House floor at the site.
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"A member of the Republican Party, he is widely regarded as a staunch proponent of far-right politics as well as an ally of former president Donald Trump."

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Gaetz

And why I'm not surprised? These guys from the Republican Party will not stop at anything just to get a chance to get back to the power. Not all of them, of course, are like that. Fortunately, there are some sane people among their ranks, who understand that there can be more important things in this world than fighting for power.

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February 19, 2023, 06:41:43 AM
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Imagine regurgitating rightwing and/or Russian propaganda without getting paid for it.

"rightwing and/or Russian propaganda" == literally anything the current 'woke' retards have not been programmed to believe is 'the way(tm)'.  And pretty much everything they have not been instructed on at all.

Notice that any independent thoughts or synthesis is automatically labeled 'conspiracy theory' by the woke-tards unless it unambiguously helps one of their 'latest things' (Soros, Zelenski, Fauci, Biden, Gates, Cuomo (until recently), Pfizer, Lockheed-Martin, etc.) or hurts a perceived enemy (e.g., Trump.)  In the latter case it is stone cold proven fact to them.  It's amazing to see them work tirelessly for Blackrock even as they rarely even know what it is.  It's occurring to me that that ignorant support phenomenon has probably been the norm in most fascist dictatorships.

Thankfully these clowns almost to a person got at least their first set of de-pop shots as instructed, and most of the time the boosters as well unless the first blast killed them.  And they will certainly be dosing up on the 'new flu' mRNA shots as well.  That means we thinking people (a lot of us old-school left-wingers included) won't have to suffer their idiocy for to much longer.

legendary
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February 19, 2023, 02:13:13 AM
Let this war end for the sake of everyone involved.

I agree, Putin should end the invasion. He can pull out now, declare Russia victorious in their "special operation," and the people who want to believe him can cheer with him.

It's like you listen to a few minutes of talk radio every once in a while and then regurgitate what you can remember here when your weekly post count is low but don't actually have any idea what you're talking about.

I think it's good if he's doing it for post count purposes as at least that's a reason.

Imagine regurgitating rightwing and/or Russian propaganda without getting paid for it.
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February 19, 2023, 12:03:20 AM
Biden has come out and said that the American taxpayer is now going to provide social support for Ukraine so that their people can have some “pocket money” for spending. This is absolutely insane. American taxpayers are already carrying a debt of a quarter million dollars per person for their share and now have to support Ukrainians? Absolutely insane. Not a penny more for Ukraine. Let this war end for the sake of everyone involved.

It's like you listen to a few minutes of talk radio every once in a while and then regurgitate what you can remember here when your weekly post count is low but don't actually have any idea what you're talking about.

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February 18, 2023, 05:52:25 PM
Biden has come out and said that the American taxpayer is now going to provide social support for Ukraine so that their people can have some “pocket money” for spending. This is absolutely insane. American taxpayers are already carrying a debt of a quarter million dollars per person for their share and now have to support Ukrainians? Absolutely insane. Not a penny more for Ukraine. Let this war end for the sake of everyone involved.

It is far more expensive to have an aggressive and triumphant RF army at the gates of central Europe. Putin has already threatened Moldavia. His Psychos will not stop in the Donbas. The US has fewer allies in the world than ever.

Bottom-line for you convenience and easy understanding: If you do not like footing this bill, prepare for what will come if you fail to stop the RF.

@BA - Ukraine allies are not backing off, they are sending MBTs. Please, please, please, read proper news from time to time.

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This war would have ended in March of last year if NATO would establish a no-fly zone over Ukraine's territory (Donbas and Crimea)
and install modern air defense systems everywhere.

Instead, billions are spent to continue to bleed Russia and rebuild Ukraine.

A few decisive NATO strikes on Russia's logistics infrastructure would help Ukraine in pushing Russia back to the 2013 borders.
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No, that gets you WW III and likely nuclear strikes. Simple yet wrong solutions to complex problems lead to world-life changing mistakes.

For clarity, a no-fly zone implies NATO aircraft shooting down RF planes. That is an act of war.
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February 18, 2023, 02:09:45 PM
^^^ They already got paid.

Debt is what the people and government owe to:
1. The Federal Reserve Bank;
1. Companies and Corporations;
3. Foreign governments.

In every case, the debt is secured by a promissory note of some kind... or maybe a bond.

Promissory notes and bonds are negotiable instruments, like checks and money orders. The debt was essentially prepaid by the promissory note before the money was loaned.

This shows that the prepayment was actually a creation of new money. More money in the system means more inflation. Inflation is absorbed by the people... a hardship on their lives.

There is no debt.

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February 18, 2023, 01:54:27 PM
Biden has come out and said that the American taxpayer is now going to provide social support for Ukraine so that their people can have some “pocket money” for spending. This is absolutely insane. American taxpayers are already carrying a debt of a quarter million dollars per person for their share and now have to support Ukrainians? Absolutely insane. Not a penny more for Ukraine. Let this war end for the sake of everyone involved.
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February 17, 2023, 07:53:29 PM
^^^ So then, the question is, why are the US and Nato backing off on their help for Ukraine? Are they running out of material and money to send? Are the people of those countries getting fed up with helping Ukraine? Or do they think that Ukraine doesn't need much if any more help?

I think the training of Ukrainian solders to fight like the West does, is simply the departing send-off. The West is done with Ukraine. She's on her own... or very shortly will be.

The spring offensive by Russia talked about in the article, might be the thing that will destroy Ukraine if the West's last boost doesn't work.


Russian Diplomats Issue Dire Warnings that War with US Is Close



https://libertarianinstitute.org/news/russian-diplomats-issue-dire-warnings-that-war-with-us-is-close/
Meanwhile, Moscow's UN envoy declared that all of Russia's "red lines" have already been crossed.

Addressing lawmakers at Russia's State Duma on Wednesday, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov outlined the causes of the current conflict in Ukraine and the deterioration of US-Russia relations, saying Washington has a "maniacal desire to revive the neo-colonial unipolar world order."

"An integral part of this policy is the long-term containment of Russia, including through the expansion of NATO towards our borders, as well as the transformation of fraternal Ukraine into a Russophobic military stronghold," he said. "In recent years, this line of Washington and its European satellites has reached the point of no return."

After the fall of the Soviet Union, Washington and several other Western states gave assurances to Moscow that the NATO alliance would not expand beyond Germany. However, in the years since, Presidents Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama and Donald Trump have each allowed new members to join the alliance, all of them inching closer to Russia's borders.
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February 17, 2023, 07:35:10 PM
If Ukraine really wants to fight, that's their business. But it's kinda stupid of them.

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"The methods which Ukrainian forces are using to ambush Russian armor columns are rather advanced and familiar. I suspect the possibility that there are outside military "advisers" (perhaps US advisers) on the ground right now in Ukraine. The advanced guerrilla-style ambush tactics and the results look similar to training that is often given to Green Berets or SAS. The UK did send anti-tank weapons along with a small group of "trainers" to Ukraine in January."
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BA, there is absolutely no doubt that Ukraine is receiving first quality military advice and a torrent of intelligence information from the "Gospel from the Sky" and the "little birds" in the RF ministries and army. This is not a "suspicion" it is as clear as it gets. The planning and success of the last counter offensive that recovered 3000 km2 requires quite in depth knowledge of the deployment, morale and means of the RF troops.

Ukrainian troops are being trained - officially, not even in secret -  in several NATO countries (locations undisclosed) in the use of NATO armament and as of today in the use of German and British armoured vehicles.

The US citizens should be able to realize that it is much more expensive to have a successful Putin at the gates of central Europe than supporting Ukraine's very rightful fight. The US is not precisely well suited in allies and it would do well in supporting the ones that are still on their side.
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February 17, 2023, 06:50:16 PM
If Ukraine really wants to fight, that's their business. But it's kinda stupid of them.


What Happens Next In The Ukraine Proxy War? A New Russian Offensive In Spring



https://alt-market.us/what-happens-next-in-the-ukraine-proxy-war-a-new-russian-offensive-in-spring/
Because globalism has pushed most nations into interdependency, an ongoing war in Ukraine could very well set off a chain of dominoes that tests America's already unstable financial system and supply chain.

I should note that I really don't care about the Ukrainian government or the Russian government and I have no interest in which side "wins." I, like many people, think Ukraine has nothing to do with the American public and is purely a proxy war being pursued by NATO. It is my belief that certain international interests (globalists) are keen for the conflict to continue regardless as they seek to exploit it as a crisis of opportunity.

All of my primary predictions for the Ukraine war have turned out to be true:

First, as I noted in my article 'The Globalist Reset Agenda Has Failed – Is Ukraine Plan B?', published in January 2022, a regional war (or proxy war) with Russia in Ukraine was the most likely scenario to unfold, followed by international calls for escalation against Russia.

Second, in my article 'Ukraine Learns The Value Of An Armed Citizenry, But Far Too Late', published in March, I noted that:

"The methods which Ukrainian forces are using to ambush Russian armor columns are rather advanced and familiar. I suspect the possibility that there are outside military "advisers" (perhaps US advisers) on the ground right now in Ukraine. The advanced guerrilla-style ambush tactics and the results look similar to training that is often given to Green Berets or SAS. The UK did send anti-tank weapons along with a small group of "trainers" to Ukraine in January."
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February 17, 2023, 10:28:08 AM
Giving links to pages on Wikipedia with unverified information and a lot of fresh edits from 02/15/2023, you look more like an idiot here.

There is edit history. Also other sources. But I'm guessing that in your alternate universe facts don't exist because they interfere with your severe case of putinism.
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February 17, 2023, 09:45:39 AM
The order has been given for all American citizens to leave Russia immediately. It appears that we are on the brink of World War III. I’m not sure what is planned for the near future, but I’m concerned. We need to get new leadership in the White House immediately before it’s too late. There’s no reason Americans should be dying so Hunter Biden can be a millionaire and we can have biolabs in Ukraine.

Ukraine is clearly a lost cause at this point.

They are NOT getting their endless tanks or F16s.

Americans living in Russia are obviously safer than living in Ukraine.

And probably safer than living near an American toxic spill train crash!
They can't win this war against Russian depending on US and NATO countries to continue  supporting /supply them with tanks looking at the time and the resources it will take to get in those equipments there.
Too they've lost the battle already by allowing the US to use their country as a battle ground to fight this proxy war against the Russian, which has caused mass destruction and their economy to crumble.

If things escalate more than this in the near future non of these two countries Ukraine or Russian will be safer for Americans because both countries are gonna feel the heat as well.
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February 17, 2023, 03:14:06 AM
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Thanks. I couldn't agree with you more about BRICS. When you look at the financial dealings that Joe and Hunter have been doing in China, probably they are quietly diversifying into BRICS, as well, as a hedge against failure in Ukraine.

Old Money has been draining out of the West and moving to China since Kissinger/Nixon.  They are enamored with the complaint population who are easily controlled by the totalitarian dictatorship (which they've also had a hand in building for over 100 years Mao being an alumnus of the Rockefeller system.)

When I say that it may be the case that 'the WEF crowd and Talmudics' may be using Ukraine as drill bit to finally scuttle the 'collective West' ship, that's what I mean.  To the extent that there is much light between these two groups, the members of both consider themselves 'stateless' and the have disdain national allegiances and that sort of thing.  The WEF even coined the term 'Davos Man' for themselves a number of years ago.  'Nations' can be useful tools in population exploitation, R&D, etc, but it is important to engineer things so that mutinies by the plebs are unlikely.  'Technocracy' shows the most promise, and 'the West' contains elements of the population most likely to resist effectively.  The larger of the Western societies need to be sunk at some point, and that time may be at hand.

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February 17, 2023, 02:34:28 AM
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You have a much better understanding of the history of the whole area around Russia. Is there anything you can tell us about the legendary Tartaria nation from the distant past, that controlled most of the northern half of the Northern Hemisphere around the world, way back?
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I couldn't say who most 'Crimean Tartars' would tend to hate more between Kiev and Moscow, but they have legacy reasons for complaints against both (and, historically speaking, both slavic groups have experienced insults from the 'Crimean Tartars' as well to be fair.)  Ultimately, being basically a minority in their own 'motherland', it doesn't matter as much when it comes to voting.

The question now is whether one would be better off from 2023 forward aligned with BRICS or with the 'Collective West' (for as long as either one lasts.)  If it were me, I would certainly choose BRICS for a variety of reasons.


Thanks. I couldn't agree with you more about BRICS. When you look at the financial dealings that Joe and Hunter have been doing in China, probably they are quietly diversifying into BRICS, as well, as a hedge against failure in Ukraine.

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February 17, 2023, 02:04:24 AM
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Giving links to pages on Wikipedia with unverified information and a lot of fresh edits from 02/15/2023, you look more like an idiot here.
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February 16, 2023, 10:57:43 PM
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You have a much better understanding of the history of the whole area around Russia. Is there anything you can tell us about the legendary Tartaria nation from the distant past, that controlled most of the northern half of the Northern Hemisphere around the world, way back?
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The 'distant past' is a confusing tangle of ethnic, military, and religious events.  Same as most areas.  I consider it of relatively minimal importance...but mostly because it doesn't involve me perhaps, although I don't give much of a fuck about my own 'linage' either so I'm not wired that way I guess.  Plus, I'm an American and we have kind of a cultural distrust of such things due to our own 'melting pot' traditions.  At least us older West Coast ones.

Much of my 'knowledge' comes from Wikipedia which is an especially deficient source when it comes to an understanding of anything of contemporary political significance.  I've simply not integrated disperate sources of info on this topic and analyzed them for years when it comes to this topic.  Sorry.

In reading it Wikipedia again just now, it remains unclear to me what the 'consensus' view of Russia among the Crimean Tartars might be now.  Two notable factors are worth considering:  One is that Russia today is not the Soviet Union prior to it's collapse, but how much said labeled ethnic group correlates the two is not clear.  Secondly, the ethnic cleansing of the area under the Soviets was extreme and even longer-lasting than most such operations they undertook.  'Crimea' probably did vote in a super-majority to align with Russia in 2014, but almost certainly that had to do with the ethnic makeup which was very strongly a result of Soviet era programs.

I couldn't say who most 'Crimean Tartars' would tend to hate more between Kiev and Moscow, but they have legacy reasons for complaints against both (and, historically speaking, both slavic groups have experienced insults from the 'Crimean Tartars' as well to be fair.)  Ultimately, being basically a minority in their own 'motherland', it doesn't matter as much when it comes to voting.

The question now is whether one would be better off from 2023 forward aligned with BRICS or with the 'Collective West' (for as long as either one lasts.)  If it were me, I would certainly choose BRICS for a variety of reasons.

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February 16, 2023, 08:40:41 PM

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Poor Ukraine... but they kind of deserve it. For example, Crimea was a part of Ukraine for a long time, until Russia liberated her a few years ago. What they should do is change Crimea's name to something else, and change Ukraine's name to Crimea. Why? Because Ukraine really IS Crimea.


Not really that long.  Khrushchev shuffled Crimea into the Ukraine administrative region for internal political reasons in the 1950's.  Prior to that, the Crimean population was victimized by communist population shuffling because that's a favorite trick Bolshevik-inspired political thinkers (though they hardly invented it.)

Seems that the Crimean Tartars have dis-liked the Kiev-area psychos for a long time, and since the Ukrainian common underlying disposition has been lain bare following the 2014 coup it is very easy to understand why the Crimean's don't want anything to do with them.  Of course the Crimeans had plenty of problem with the Bolsheviks, Stalinist, etc from the Soviet power center reigions as well, but who hasn't?  I'm going to guess that they had issues with the czars prior to that.

Occam's Razor (and history) suggests that everyone wants Sevastopol for military reasons and those who missed it on the 2014 game of cake-walk (e.g., the 'Collective West') have not given up on their hope to somehow win it in the end.  Hopefully they don't start a nuclear war over it.


You have a much better understanding of the history of the whole area around Russia. Is there anything you can tell us about the legendary Tartaria nation from the distant past, that controlled most of the northern half of the Northern Hemisphere around the world, way back?

Note that my post was a little bit of a joke... Crimea and crime.

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February 16, 2023, 08:26:29 PM

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Poor Ukraine... but they kind of deserve it. For example, Crimea was a part of Ukraine for a long time, until Russia liberated her a few years ago. What they should do is change Crimea's name to something else, and change Ukraine's name to Crimea. Why? Because Ukraine really IS Crimea.


Not really that long.  Khrushchev shuffled Crimea into the Ukraine administrative region for internal political reasons in the 1950's.  Prior to that, the Crimean population was victimized by communist population shuffling because that's a favorite trick Bolshevik-inspired political thinkers (though they hardly invented it.)

Seems that the Crimean Tartars have dis-liked the Kiev-area psychos for a long time, and since the Ukrainian common underlying disposition has been lain bare following the 2014 coup it is very easy to understand why the Crimean's don't want anything to do with them.  Of course the Crimeans had plenty of problem with the Bolsheviks, Stalinist, etc from the Soviet power center reigions as well, but who hasn't?  I'm going to guess that they had issues with the czars prior to that.

Occam's Razor (and history) suggests that everyone wants Sevastopol for military reasons and those who missed it on the 2014 game of cake-walk (e.g., the 'Collective West') have not given up on their hope to somehow win it in the end.  Hopefully they don't start a nuclear war over it.

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February 16, 2023, 04:00:25 PM

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No, Putin's government tried to take Kiev, except that their intelligence was so poor that they though the government and army would flee. "No too hard" costed 1000s of RF soldiers lives. No, Putin's government declared they would overtake Ukraine, that includes the Donbas (particularly the Donbas). Again, for "not wanting" that piece of land, it costed RF mothers quite a few of their brethren.

Remember, this is not a theory or a dissertation or a discussion on a pub - Putin's Psychos make mistakes, RF soldiers get killed. Big mistakes, thousands of dead, small mistakes more dead. Now, keep on rationalising, their mothers, wives and children don't get them back.

Interesting how you somehow pretend that non-belligerent countries have to pay compensation. For what? You dictator says there is no war. How can there be reparations? Unless you have decided to admit here that there is a war and get 10 years of prison.

Translation: "To get rid of the Nazis" - Putin's government made-up expression that justifies any war crime. Examples: Why did they bomb the school in XYZ? - "because they were Nazis inside", why they they destroy the powerplans in Ukraine - "because the electricity was being used by Nazis". Use it without moderation, as it does not require any evidence.

Again, Ukraine and many Ukrainians fought the real Nazis.


For the last who knows how many decades, US government leaders have stated that the US was going to take over Russia and break her into pieces. Now they are destroying Ukraine to do it, and it is backfiring on them.

Poor Ukraine... but they kind of deserve it. For example, Crimea was a part of Ukraine for a long time, until Russia liberated her a few years ago. What they should do is change Crimea's name to something else, and change Ukraine's name to Crimea. Why? Because Ukraine really IS Crimea.

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February 16, 2023, 02:16:07 PM
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