Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 181. (Read 56950 times)

de-Russification of Ukraine

My god are we playing bingo? I think I won and we don't even have to wait for a Croatian to show up.

That 'part' only exists in the mind of people with a very limited understanding of warfare.

Even at the time it was obvious that the Russians had no intention of 'taking' Kiev

For instance, if there were resistance in the North they would just pack up and leave, and that seems to be what played out.

It's just an observation of the force structure and tactics applied. 

No, it has to do with who reports it, and who believes it.  If mostly westerners believe it, and it's reported by mostly media companies that don't have to worry about going to prison for reporting the news, that's really all the information you need to decide to act like it's not true.

No different than your Global Cooling argument.

'Putin' has nothing to do with it.  It's just an observation of the force structure and tactics applied.  Would apply to any conflict without regard to who is 'right' or whatever.  You are going to remain in a state of ignorance until you learn to separate hard cold analysis from whatever fantasy-land you want to live in.  If ever.  Most people remain ignorant and incompetent for life...which is actually pretty handy for people like me at times.

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If you're going to act like you believe what Putin is trying to get everyone to believe, you gotta be more careful.

That 'part' only exists in the mind of people with a very limited understanding of [special military operationfare].

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Did you miss the part where the Russia tried to take Kiev and remove the government and ended up having to retreat?

It's even more ridiculous to say it was accidental attack.
The captured Azovites are still highly valued for exchange, because at large in Ukraine they are apparently still considered the elite and there are many more of their fighters and supporters at large who are pressing the Zelensky government to exchange them in the very first place.
For the Zelensky government, for which victories on the information front are much more important than real ones, it would be better if the Azov people did not surrender, but died the death of the brave as martyrs. Therefore, on the one hand, Kyiv exchanges part of the soldiers, and on the other hand, instead of Russia, it may well seek to complete its plan to glorify the prisoners from Azovstal by completely destroying it. Moreover, as mentioned above, such attacks may be designed not only to intimidate witnesses, but to reduce the desire of Ukrainian soldiers to surrender into Russian captivity.

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This means that either Ukrainian soldiers, with the help of Western weapons and foreign mercenaries, do not know how to fight at all against the antediluvian Russian army, or you are not able to impartially process information. To understand this topic, it is still better to read what correspondents from the fronts transmit.





According to the Minister of Defense of Ukraine in June 2022, the Ukrainian army would have enough strength to confront such armies as France or the UK (which are among the five strongest armies in the world), but at the same time Ukraine *for some reason* is not able to cope with the "backward", "unorganized", "demoralized" army of the Russian Federation in the amount of 150 thousand soldiers, which is only 15% of the entire army of the Russian Federation.

The Russian army for five months taken about 126.610 thousand square kilometers of territories that previously belonged to Ukraine. The Russian government is already ready to accept these lands into the Russian Federation after referendums.

In general, if the Russian army is so backward, as you say, then it turns out that NATO troops are not capable of anything at all. It turns out that they can only fight against civilians in Yugoslavia and Afghan nomads armed with machine guns, but they lack the courage to fight against the Russian army, otherwise the "brave" NATO military would not hide behind the backs of Ukrainian soldiers and would have started a third world war long ago, which in the blink of an eye, it would turn into a nuclear one and destroy all life. After all, this is precisely what all those who escalate this conflict between NATO and the largest nuclear power are striving for.



PS. At first, I thought that it was beneficial for Russia when the West significantly underestimated its military potential. But this is wrong, because Ukrainians, deceived by local and European propaganda, are sent to the front, and then tens of thousands die there.

1) it wasn't a GMLRS rocket;
2) it was a thermobaric weapon;
3) russia staged it and did so (as usual) incompetently.
Firstly: keeping POWs so close to the front violates Article 19 of the Third Geneva Convention making it a war crime.
Secondly: Olenivka is about 15 km from the frontline. Striking a target so close to the front with sparse and expensive long-range GMLRS rockets, when one could use 105 mm artillery rounds that cost around 0.4% of a GMLRS rocket makes no sense.
Thirdly: Olenivka has been a well known DNR POW and concentration camp for years (and a penal colony for decades). So much so that the wives of the POWs knew about it. One needs to be a delusional russian troll or propagandist to believe Ukraine would strike this target.

In short: russia staged it. russia never wanted to return the Azovstal defenders to Ukraine, where they would receive a hero's welcome. Executing them would result in war crime charges and endanger russian POWs in Ukrainian hands.
At the same time HIMARS gave Ukrainians hope, so russia decided to stage the murder of the POWs as if a GMLRS rocket had killed them to dampen the Ukrainians' joy at HIMARS.
The russians did the same with CAESAR: shell Donetsk city, then blame it on CAESAR by presenting russian artillery fired 152 mm shell fragments.
But, like in Donetsk, the russians stages the "rocket attack" incompetently, because none of them knows how a GMLRS works.

This is the building that was hit in Olenivka. It's made from concrete bricks with a thin tin roof... and it still stands (!!).



Thanks to russia I can show you what a GMLRS missile does when it hits a building: walls blown out, concrete ceilings shattered, rebars ripped apart, everything smashed and thrown around, and no fire damage (!).

 
 

If we compare a real GMLRS impact to the staged one in Olenivka - there the explosion was so weak the beds didn't even move an inch, not a single brick was blown out, the steel pillar is undamaged, but there is massive fire damage.

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But the ultimate proof that this was not a GMLRS rocket is the lack of an impact crater. This photo shows a GMLRS impact crater. At Olenivka - none.

GMLRS M31 rockets hit a target at a 90 degree angle with Mach 4+ to smash through roofs and detonate inside (and also to smash the secret guidance system, GPS components, and sensors at the tip of the missile). The tin roof of the building in Olenivka is too weak to smash in and trigger a GMLRS rocket, therefore there would have to be an impact/detonation crater in the middle of the room, if a GMLRS rocket had struck. There isn't.



Also M31 GMLRS rockets contain 51 lb of PBX-109, a mix of 64% RDX and 20% Aluminium and 16% HTPB/IPDI plastic fillers. The Aluminium is used to increase blast effects, but it is not a thermobaric weapon that burns a target out.
If a GMLRS rocket had struck Olenivka there wouldn't be any burned bodies inside... the blast would have ripped everyone apart, not burned them alive.
A thermobaric weapon burns victims, while leaving bodies intact.
Olenivka was NOT hit by a GMLRS rocket.
russia used thermobaric a weapon to burn the POWs in their sleep. The fire damage to building and victims, and the missing impact crater and the lack of blast damage proves this.
This was premeditated murder, just like at Katyn.

I was asked what my theory of events is: likely the russians locked the doors, fired RPO-A Shmel or MRO-A thermobaric munitions inside through the windows, then waited until everyone was dead.

Both of these weapons have been in the arsenal of the DNR since 2014 (left pic).

 

Right, your position is represented under "Because that's just what orcs do"

Which civilized World? This one or this one or perhaps this one etc etc etc ...

It's even more ridiculous to say it was accidental attack.
The captured Azovites are still highly valued for exchange, because at large in Ukraine they are apparently still considered the elite and there are many more of their fighters and supporters at large who are pressing the Zelensky government to exchange them in the very first place.
For the Zelensky government, for which victories on the information front are much more important than real ones, it would be better if the Azov people did not surrender, but died the death of the brave as martyrs. Therefore, on the one hand, Kyiv exchanges part of the soldiers, and on the other hand, instead of Russia, it may well seek to complete its plan to glorify the prisoners from Azovstal by completely destroying it. Moreover, as mentioned above, such attacks may be designed not only to intimidate witnesses, but to reduce the desire of Ukrainian soldiers to surrender into Russian captivity.

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Let me be clear, even considering that you, as a biased user, wont accept this.
You can talk about logic and motives when it comes to any other country except Russia. They are capable of any crazy stuff because they can and they get away with it. If in 2008 the civilized World gave a tough rebuff in response to the invasion of Georgia, you didn't even know what Crimea is.

Now here, the pro-Kremlin telegram channel with a huge number of subscribers reflects in early June what MI6 would do with British-supplied MLRS in Ukraine. It's sick already but quite fine for russians. So one of their targets as per this channel should be Olenivka. Since you're an expert in russia I hope you know that the translation from "they may" to russian is "we will". Why? No one knows, because they can.



NOw lemme ask how you end up spreading your bullshit here for literally 8 people? Your no good at least for Reddit or Alexa stats with impressive digits of this forum is enough to master russian budgets?

Russia is blocking an Egypt-bound ship loaded with Ukrainian wheat that was purchased by Egypt.  Track the “EMMAKRIS III” ship in real-time here:
https://marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:689679/zoom:14  🇪🇬 🌾 🇺🇦

#StopRussia

Ukrainian authorities have detained a ship at one of the ports where grain shipments are expected to resume through the Black Sea this week – asserting the vessel is owned by a Russian company. The ship is a bulk carrier, the Emmakris III
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Emmakris III had been loaded with some 60,000 tonnes of grain already bought by the Egyptian government.

Of course, they're projecting their own crimes on Ukrainians. Just like with attacks on civilian objects, looting, etc. It's easier to "report" it when you don't have to make it up, just blame it on the other side.


This one was actually quite successful as a propaganda move. I see Western media (AP etc) peddle this now, some reports like "Russia claims Ukrainians attacked prison" and some without the "Russia claims" part. Kremlin will do everything they can to create the impression that HIMARS is used "improperly", they're really afraid of it and perhaps hoping that US will slow delivery because of this propaganda.

In Russia, the property of Ukrainian propagandists, such as Dmitry Gordon and Evgeny Kiselev, is not seized, and the property of Navalny's FBK employees is not touched, at least for now.

Evgeny Roizman, the Russian ex-Mayor of Yekaterinburg, who is constantly branding the Russian army on social networks, is not being jailed.

Read the latest news. Russian troops took Kherson, Melitopol, Lisichansk, Severodonetsk, the entire Luhansk region, a significant part of the Donetsk region, as well as part of the Zaporozhye and Kharkov regions.

Why is this comparison between Putin and Hitler, have you re-read the Ukrainian propaganda again? So know that Russia is a multicultural country, which, unlike Ukraine, does not prohibit second languages ​​in national areas. You're looking in the wrong direction.

Propaganda coming from the fascist Kremlin regime is hardly "facts".

Except Hitler was a bit more successful at it than Putin, he was able to take Warsaw in a month... Putin managed only to destroy Mariupol in a month. The end will hopefully be the same, suicide in a bunker.

It looks like the video with the castration of the prisoner turned out to be a Ukrainian fake. The video contains: a tactical polo shirt of the Ukrainian company M-TAC, a balaclava of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a Ukrainian pixel uniform (all of the above is on the regular list of equipment for SBU and GUR employees). Cherry on the cake - blue nitrile gloves from the first aid kit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and rare Nike sneakers released for the Ukrainian team in 2008.

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So... that's a good thing actually. A very small minority introduced a law that didn't pass. Are you even aware how democracy works? A hint: it's a bit different from Soviet/Putin style single-party "sieg heil" type of system.

It's even more ridiculous to say it was accidental attack.
The captured Azovites are still highly valued for exchange, because at large in Ukraine they are apparently still considered the elite and there are many more of their fighters and supporters at large who are pressing the Zelensky government to exchange them in the very first place.
For the Zelensky government, for which victories on the information front are much more important than real ones, it would be better if the Azov people did not surrender, but died the death of the brave as martyrs. Therefore, on the one hand, Kyiv exchanges part of the soldiers, and on the other hand, instead of Russia, it may well seek to complete its plan to glorify the prisoners from Azovstal by completely destroying it. Moreover, as mentioned above, such attacks may be designed not only to intimidate witnesses, but to reduce the desire of Ukrainian soldiers to surrender into Russian captivity.
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But you, apparently because of your stubbornness, are still trying not to notice the obvious facts that Ukraine is infected with Nazism.

To justify the action, Nazi propagandists accused Poland of persecuting ethnic Germans living in Poland. They also falsely claimed that Poland was planning, with its allies Great Britain and France, to encircle and dismember Germany. The SS, in collusion with the German military, staged a phony attack on a German radio station. The Germans falsely accused the Poles of this attack. Hitler then used the action to launch a “retaliatory” campaign against Poland.

So... that's a good thing actually. A very small minority introduced a law that didn't pass. Are you even aware how democracy works? A hint: it's a bit different from Soviet/Putin style single-party "sieg heil" type of system.

[...] You can talk about logic and motives when it comes to any other country except Russia. They are capable of any crazy stuff because they can and they get away with it. If in 2008 the civilized World gave a tough rebuff in response to the invasion of Georgia, you didn't even know what Crimea is.