Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 184. (Read 77475 times)

Prudent of Putin. After all, the Ukraine military has been shooting at the Donbas since at least 2014. And the US has been manipulating Ukraine long before that.

Thank Goodness that we had President Trump to stave off the war - through logical negotiations - that would have happened a lot sooner if he wasn't there.

It makes total sense only if you don't know anything else about the situation.

Like, for example, Putin had been amassing hundreds of thousands of troops directly on the border with Ukraine for months before the invasion.

Do you think it was just a coincidence that he happened to have all those troops in place when Ukraine decided to do something that would justify being invaded?

Don't be so gullible.

Blah, blah, blah...

If you read the rest of the article, and follow the links, and understand that the US has been using Ukraine all along, you will see that it makes total sense.

fyp

Ukraine didn't start the war by attacking itself and somehow justifying Russians invasion.  Just think about how stupid that sounds.  In the weeks before the invasion there was an attempt by Putin to provoke Ukraine and justify the invasion that he already decided was going to happen, but that attempt failed (just like the initial phase of the invasion, when he thought Ukraine would fall in a matter of days) - along with plenty of other failed false flags that were called out publicly ahead of time.
Putin is really doing a number on your already brainwashed brain.

The PEOPLE. Russian and Ukrainian people have always intermingled. After all, they share the some of same border. And often in the past, that border was further into Russia or further into Ukraine. So, the reason for the shelling of the Donbas by the Ukraine military in 2014, doesn't seem to really be clear... except that the Donbas might have already become Russian territory, by agreement of the PEOPLE living there.

It's kinda like if Oregon started shooting at the 30% of its counties that are trying to secede from Oregon to join Idaho - https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/339413-2023-02-09-30-of-counties-vote-to-secede-from-oregon.htm.


Setting the Record Straight; Stuff You Should Know About Ukraine

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https://www.theburningplatform.com/2023/02/11/setting-the-record-straight-stuff-you-should-know-about-ukraine/
On February 16, 2022, a full week before Putin sent combat troops into Ukraine, the Ukrainian Army began the heavy bombardment of the area (in east Ukraine) occupied by mainly ethnic Russians. Officials from the Observer Mission of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) were located in the vicinity at the time and kept a record of the shelling as it took place. What the OSCE discovered was that the bombardment dramatically intensified as the week went on until it reached a peak on February 19, when a total of 2,026 artillery strikes were recorded. Keep in mind, the Ukrainian Army was, in fact, shelling civilian areas along the Line of Contact that were occupied by other Ukrainians.

We want to emphasize that the officials from the OSCE were operating in their professional capacity gathering first-hand evidence of shelling in the area. What their data shows is that Ukrainian Forces were bombing and killing their own people. This has all been documented and has not been challenged.
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EDIT: What few people are talking about... from the article:

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There are number points we are trying to make in this article:

-    Who started the war?
    Answer– Ukraine started the war
-    Was the Russian invasion a violation of international law?
    Answer– No, the Russian invasion should be approved under United Nations Article 51
-    Could the war have been avoided if Ukraine declared neutrality and met Putin’s reasonable demands?
    Answer– Yes, the war could have been avoided

    The last point deals with the Minsk Treaty and how the dishonesty of western leaders is going to effect the final settlement in Ukraine. I am convinced that neither Washington nor the NATO allies have any idea of how severely international relations have been decimated by the Minsk betrayal. In a world where legally binding agreements can be breezily discarded in the name of political expediency, the only way to settle disputes is through brute force. Did anyone in Germany, France or Washington think about this before they acted?

Nice for whom?  It would suck for people who justify even the most repulsive behavior on the basis of fake history.

At least fake history makes life an interesting and challenging puzzle for us 'truthers.'  Most people are not wired for such a puzzle, but for those of us who are there are tangible benefits to be had over and above simple entertainment.  Doing it well provides quite an advantage in tasks which benefit by making accurate forward predictions.

As formal restrictions on 'truth' enjoy a new 'up-wave' in the waning of the age of enlightenment, and progressively fewer people have any practical access or ability to obtain 'truth', the 'advantage gap' widens for those of us who still can.

As Orwell said, "Those who control the present, control the past.  Those who control the past control the future."  Yet another of his insights that took me decades of observation to more fully recognize and appreciate.

Would be nice if there was a way to determine which historical writing wasn't fake news.

Would be nice if people could read history instead of being outwardly bigoted.

No attempt to do anything, no rewriting - just plainly stating what the propaganda department of the Russian Federation is deliberately forgetting, along with many other things. The effort of fighting the German Nazis in terms of territory and manpower fell into the Ukrainians greatly, which at that time did not have a country. Next time, before crying bot and fake, care to have a look a any decent history book, or do a basic search if you do not have books in your lair.

I am not surprised you ate the Kremlin argument on Nazism, most have, because most do not care to have a minimal look into facts of the WW II:



So, I say it again: Who is going to teach Ukrainians to fight Nazism? The guy sitting in his comfortable chair (behind a 3 meter desk away from anyone? Will Mr. Adolf Putin teach them about being free from absolutism and have their own destiny on their hands?

If so, he is going to find some obstacles in the way - they type that may cause your fall.

Zelensky never wanted peace, right from the start... actually, before the start.


Zelensky Admits He Never Intended to Implement Minsk Agreements

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https://sputniknews.com/20230209/zelensky-admits-he-never-intended-to-implement-minsk-agreements-1107274340.html
"As for Minsk as a whole, I told Emmanuel Macron and Angela Merkel: we will not be able to implement it like that," Zelensky said in an interview with a German magazine published on Thursday.

According to Zelensky, he said the same thing to Russian President Vladimir Putin at the first and last meeting with him in the Normandy format in 2019.
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Like the Talmudics (aka, Pharisees; aka, Synagogue of Satan) do with the Jews.

These degenerate posers went to work on the Jews, and there are only maybe 50k Karaites left today.  Then they set their sights on the rest, or what they refer to as The Nations or just goyim.

Ok.

Zionists misuse the Jews. But the real Israel is of God, and accepts Jesus, the Messiah, as God.

Unfortunately, Jews who don't accept Jesus, also DO accept the Messiah of the Old Testament. They are split within themselves, each one of them, because Jesus who they don't accept is the Messiah Who they DO accept.

Like you do with Jews.

Yeah, 'off the charts' is a good way to put it.  It's getting beyond ridiculous.  I'm more and more thinking that Ukrainians in general are deliberately being given a bad name by fake bots, trolls, and other operatives who's goals are to do exactly that.

The most likely reason is so that people world-wide will feel less bad about what has happened to Ukrainians already, and the much worse which is yet to come.  Another related reason would be classic scapegoating so that, world-wide, people will blame the Ukrainians for various misfortunes both within Ukraine, and around the world.  It would tend to draw attention away from the people who actually engineered and implemented the disasters.

Some groups have something of a culture and a religious zeal for employing scapegoats in association with other secretive and nefarious social engineering efforts.  They noticed that most people of most standard religious backgrounds are not very sophisticated and it's hard for them recognize certain kinds of subterfuge.  These groups have even written into their own religious texts that it is OK to fool such people, use them, rob them, try to get them killed, etc.  It's pretty disgusting really, and can be down-right sinister and dangerous.

'Ancient' history is always slanted according to the recorder thereof. Same said regarding the history of Ukraine - which Russians and others often call 'the Ukraine', signifying its transience throughout its history. It seems that nobody really knows if there is even a real national history of Ukraine because of how it has been bounced around among other nations over the millennia.


The 20th-Century History Behind Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine

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https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-20th-century-history-behind-russias-invasion-of-ukraine-180979672/

Before Russian forces fired rockets at the Ukrainian capital of Kyiv; seized Chernobyl, site of the world’s worst nuclear accident; and attacked Ukraine’s second-largest city, Kharkiv, Russian President Vladimir Putin shared some choice words.

In an essay published on the Kremlin’s website in Russian, Ukrainian and English last July, Putin credited Soviet leaders with inventing a Ukrainian republic within the Soviet Union in 1922, forging a fictitious state unworthy of sovereignty out of historically Russian territory. After Ukraine declared its independence in 1991, the president argued, Ukrainian leaders “began to mythologize and rewrite history, edit out everything that united [Russia and Ukraine], and refer to the period when Ukraine was part of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union as an occupation.”

The “historical reality” of modern-day Ukraine is more complex than Putin’s version of events, encompassing “a thousand-year history of changing religions, borders and peoples,” according to the New York Times. “[M]any conquests by warring factions and Ukraine’s diverse geography … created a complex fabric of multiethnic states.”
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The level of propaganda is getting off the charts here. There's whitewashing, rewriting history and then there's this! Surely there's a ton of other shit you can accuse Russians of but this is this an attempt to polarize and radicalizing your core at the cost of alienating all objective people? Or the quality of propaganda is just a function of desperation?

Ukrainians fought the real Nazis while the Russians were watching from the back. The soldier raising the Soviet flag over the Reichstag was from Sumi. Keep on repeating the official propaganda, that only makes it even more clear that there is no legitimate reason for this aggression. You just say Nazi this or Nazi that... no argument, no credible information, ... you are the definition of a troll, a not very particularly effective one.

Chechnya has been part of Russia for forever.  Nobody really denies that.  The problems seem to be in the rear-view mirror now...sadly for Ukraine as the Chechens are some bad-ass MF's and they don't seem to like Nazis very much.

Russia came to the rescue of Osetia against the genocidal Georgians and left a short time after the job (a several day operation) was done.  South Ossetia is still trying to join more closely with Russia but, contrary to your 'understanding', things are dragging on a bit.  I remember well when ZioCon darling and Zelenski-like twat Saakashvili was goaded into his mis-adventure of trying to do S. Osetia.  He was run out of Georgia shortly thereafter because nobody likes a loser.  I had to do a double-take when I read that the globalists had installed him as the mayor of Odessa.  You cannot make this shit up!

Syria; The Russians were invited in to save them from so-called 'isis' (aka, CIA/Mossad.)  Just in time, too.

I don't know what happened in Belarus.  I don't remember anything.  Maybe the put-down of some Soros/CIA 'color revolution' or some such.  Whatever the case, they are sitting pretty now to chill at the pool with Putin and watch Europe die away.

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IIRC, Russia kindly stopped about 500 meters from the pipeline the U.S. runs in Georgia during that three-day conflict.  After the Nordstream event (and the drastic display of U.S./Nato military impotency and blood draining via Ukraine), I would call that pipeline affair 'unfinished business' if I were in Russia/S.Osettia's shoes, but that's just me.

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One thing you didn't bring up was the very recent Kazakhstan affair.  The banks shut down their doors to the unvaxxed, and the next day the president was on a Gulfstream jet running for his life.  Russia marched in and re-installed the (globalist's) guy and nobody said a peep.  That casts great doubt in my mind about exactly how 'real' Putin is and how much of this whole Ukraine thing is a fraud and mutually agreed upon ethnic clean-up and housecleaning the whole Ukraine thing really is?

Wow! A Jesus guy after all! Almost can't believe it.

Or are you playing with me like the West is playing with Ukraine?

The West isn't helping Ukraine to the detriment of their own people because they love Ukrainians so much. They are doing it for future profits. So, they (and you) talk against Russia because you are trying to improve and increase your profit... or are you simply ignorant regarding what's going on?

The difference between any violence Russia does, and the violence of the West, is that Russia is more honest. They simply do what they do.

The West, however, sneaks their CIA into governments and topples them. The people barely understand what's going on. And you seem to be missing it entirely... or are you simply playing with me? If you are playing with me, you are doing like the West does with other countries... sneak in and pull off a coup. Doesn't always work.