Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 185. (Read 56950 times)

Probably this whole war is really only a method for getting rid of Nazi's in both, Russia and the Ukraine.

If you did not like BoJo, brace for the replacement.


It does not work like that at all. The transport infrastructure is what it is. If not, all those Mtons of grain would have simply been sent to Poland or even Romania. The problem is that everything is designed to export through the Caspian.

Why the RF decided to attack Odessa right after the agreement? My take is that somehow the people that are sent to negotiate are pretty much ignored by the military. It seems to me that the Russian Federation does not at this moment have a single unified government, but rather an army and then some ministers and foreign affairs officials that are clueless and wield not say, no information and no power whatsoever.

Nobody is stopping Russia from exporting grain...or any agriculture commodities...so...yeah....someone give her microphone back.

On the grain export thing, I cannot understand why Putin wouldn't have said something like "Oh, Odessa has some security issues at the moment, but we've got Mariupol port all fixed up and safe.  Just truck the product up there if you like and there should be no problems.  The choice is yours."

In point of actual fact, it probably is more safe and convenient to use the diverse road systems going into the (formerly Ukrainian) Donbas which is now pretty safe and stable.  The South part around Odessa is congested and contested.  Forcing the product over the bridges which are under attack might at least calm some of the strife along at least some of the potential routes which makes (almost) everyone a winner.

Meanwhile, Boris Johnson is gearing up for a brilliant new career.

I thought the diplomacy hit a rock bottom and can't sink any lower, but it keeps surprising me

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/23/politics/americans-killed-ukraine-donbas/index.html
So they gave up trying to justify exceptions by claims of dual citizenship or whatever and now straight up saying that there are no more mercs at all? Does that mean that everyone will now have to treat all Iran's mercs in other conflicts as prisoners of war? Or it's another double standard that somehow only applies to Ukraine?


https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-07-22-22/h_d3eaea1b11c234af3193407e2f0f884f
Why why are they allowing Nuland to speak? Hasn't she done enough? The message was always clear Russia applying pressure to Ukraine #5 wheat exporter (8.5%) was the reason for global food shortages U.S. Treasury: Agricultural, Medical Products Not Part of Russia Sanctions Now Nuland goes off yapping her mouth admitting that apparently there was pressure from "global community" to a #1 agricultural exporter? So global shortages in food are because of pressure to a #5 exporter but not to #1 exporter?   someone take her microphone away!

"Two Americans, a Canadian and a Swedish citizen were killed this week"
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/23/americans-killed-russian-tank-attack-00047567

Given that decision-making in both NATO and the EU is based on consensus, is the participation of an direct russian shill that can veto any decision justified? Moreover, a russian shill that publicly declares "well yea men, we're considering the possibility of invading another country".

Also this

Erdo also says that high interest rates are the cause of inflation. Quite a lateral thinking, so I will accept your explanation that he is using his balls for consultancy.



Turkiye and China would rather maintain an strategic neutrality in all this an simply take as much profit as possible. Erdogan is going to face elections quite soon - not that they are going to be clean and democratic most likely - and is playing a very peculiar economic policy consisting in not raising interest rates despite a triple digit inflation. Four fifths of the population are either plain poor or struggling to pay for basic staples. In a truly democratic country, he would be ousted.

However he is playing "big politics", selling drones, being the guarantor of treaties and being the "neutral" side in negotiations, dressing himself as an statesman while expelling one central bank governor after another. Overall, I do not think that it matters if Turkiye is or not in NATO - it certainly does not seem to matter to them.


@Waradlain
RE imaginary countries, I do not see how Hungary, that has centuries as national identity, is imaginary. The contribution to NATO... probably marginal as of now.

Even though they have a clown in charge, it's still probably better to have them in NATO/EU than not. Otherwise Orban would be sending troops to Ukraine to help Russia or at least providing airports etc (like Lukashenko).

It looks like Orban is the last public politician in Europe with Putins balls in his mouth.
Anyway, there is an honest question: does anyone have an idea how Hungary with their government fits in the Transatlantic security architecture? I mean, I don't follow imaginary countries much but I'm wondering what is the contribution of Hungary, how it makes the Alliance stronger and based on what was accedence at one time?

Orban said Ukraine will never win the war this way "quite simply because the Russian army has assymetrical dominance".



The opinion of Ukraine (and the European Union) on this issue already seems to be of no particular interest to anyone. It looks like Orban is the last public politician in Europe with balls.

Take a look at Iran's GNP after sanctions - unless you'd rather have some official comfort juice media. You can hack low-end processors, but the access to the technology critical for the electronic warfare is not found in PCs nor washing machines.


Russian porn is considered a cultural thing as well in some circles.. On the topic, I take this possible capture of RF troops will either be confirmed soon or be just another "product" of the war. It will be quite easy to see how it ends and as I said, I take it with a pinch of salt.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/07/23/inch-by-inch-the-ukrainians-appear-to-be-pushing-south-toward-kherson/?sh=21d9d3f27e20

“We can confirm the recent deaths of two U.S. citizens in the Donbas region of Ukraine,”

https://abcnews.go.com/International/americans-dead-eastern-ukraine-officials/story?id=87275130

I did a quick search to test some stuff out with gibiru engine (which I should use more.)  Alas, they seem to lack a sort-by-time feature.  Seems like each of the options to the mainstream joke engines (google, ddg, bing, etc) seems to have their own set of annoying limitations.

  https://soldat.pro/en/2022/07/23/ukrainskij-genshtab-ne-podtverdil-zayavlenij-arestovicha-ob-okruzhenii-tysyachi-rossijskix-voennyx-v-vysokopole-xersonskoj-oblasti/

At this point I cannot see any reason to keep Arestovich around except that 'they' for some reason WANT a Baghdad Bob (who happens to have a extra set of disturbing particularities on top of the Baghdad-Bob-ism.)  This whole 'Ukraine' thing started out smelling like a rat to me, and the odor keeps intensifying.

It is strange that the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine does not know anything about this. But you continue to believe Lucy's fantasies and the fakes of various  telegram channels.

Meanwhile, on the territory of the Kherson region, the Odessa brigade, formed mainly from citizens of Ukraine, went through combat coordination. The main goal of the Odessa brigade is the demilitarization and denazification of Nikolaev and Odessa.

And the key points of the grain deal concluded the day before:
1. All restrictions on the export of food and fertilizers have been completely lifted from Russia
2. Completely unlocked the transit of goods to Kaliningrad through Lithuania
3. Ships going to Odessa to export grain will be inspected by Russia at the entrance and at the exit
4. Turkey will take grain from Odessa with a 25% discount

Actually, Arestovich wasn't prime source of these news. On various telegram channels it started to spread yesterday morning and initially it was written about 2000 troops, later it was confirmed that there is about 1000 troops.
Erotic fantasies of Arestovich or fairy tales of Konashnenkov. I rather pick first one.

Oh, have you brought fresh wet erotic fantasies of Lucy "talking ass" Arestovich?

I didn't read the article due to a pay-wall, but I can guess what it did and didn't say.

FWIW, a microcontroller is a microcontroller.  Most of the time, even on a complex system, it's job is pretty limited.  The failure rate, even in such a device destined for a dishwasher, would be pretty low and the durability acceptable for most things.  But...

If the Russians are using old processors, microcontrollers, FPGAs, etc in certain critical systems, my guess is that it would have more to do with security than with availability.  I myself favor ancient hardware for certain things because with every production run that goes by there is an increasing chance that hardware backdoors will have been inserted (at the behest of the likes of the intelligence apparatuses of various nations and under significant carrot/stick economic pressures associate with international trade, buyouts, etc.)

I have no idea how far down the road things are now, but I do remember industrial process hardware getting pretty badly hacked in Iran (with cooperation between the German manufacturer and certain intelligence agencies) and I know that at the higher end processors (PowerPC iirc) a hardware backdoor was brilliantly discovered by an independent researcher and on a pretty old unit.  I wouldn't rule out that pretty low-end microcontrollers are compromised by this time, and it might be difficult to buy a new one that isn't.

I have read about the RF troops being isolated and near capture. As I mentioned a few posts ago, all to be taking with a pinch of salt, but it seems that the RF cannot really fight in two fronts effectively and the east has been taking all the supplies.

I hope the capture of this group is confirmed and those RF soldiers are treated correctly as well. The RF psychos have managed to create such a destruction and hate...