Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 330. (Read 73557 times)

My vagina almost grew from your tearful stories. You know, if there wasn’t such a powerful flow of falsely staged informational shit from the Ukrainian side, I might have tried to penetrate the content of your links a little more deeply to figure out what really happened there. Fortunately, I have access to Ukrainian telegram channels that coordinate the creation of an informational background for the gullible Western layman, and I know this cuisine well from the inside. Pot, don’t boil it - even in the West, it seems that no one really believes you anymore, because such a wild concentration of fakes is too much. Today we forced a photo of a crying girl next to the corpse of her murdered mother, very touching - although this is a frame from the movie "Brest Fortress" lol. Yesterday we forced a video where a tank shoots at point-blank range a group of Russian "pig-dogs" - although it quickly became clear that everyone was wearing blue armbands and this was friendly fire. Boring.
Why doesn't this surprise me anymore? The document is good, it is an excellent example of the high-quality diplomatic work of all the parties involved. And there is not even anything shameful or humiliating for Ukraine - not in a single point. It was a great chance for Ukraine to keep control of its borders, just stop shooting, give a little more local autonomy to Donbass and let it speak its native language in its native land. Everything! Ukraine could use methods of indirect political influence and in just a few years make Donbass loyal to Kiev again. It was so easy to do if you wanted peace, not war. Ukraine didn't even try! Zelensky did not even try, although he came to power on promises to end the war in the Donbass. For years they sabotaged the implementation of the Minsk agreements and prepared to deliver a decisive blow to the Donbass and Crimea. How can you be so stupid as to seriously prepare to attack Russia? I understand that you still think that Crimea is Ukraine, but since 2014 it has been officially part of Russia and the attack on Crimea is an attack on Russia. Is it really possible to be so idiotic as to believe in yourself SO much? Like, yes, the Third Reich failed to do this, but we will definitely succeed, are you serious? And a month later, run around knocking on all the thresholds, shouting "give us weapons, give us money, give us at least something." Some surrealism.

I'll just quote it as a reminder that you're delusional and cannot be reasoned with.
You're telling us that a family of 4 that was shot on the street on their way to the train station in broad daylight was armed and shooting at Russians.

A 4 week old baby who travelled with parents and grandparents was shot at a Russian checkpoint along with all adults.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AABSm3Plr0

Video captured by a civilian drone showed a motorist being shot by Russian soldiers near Kyiv after getting out of his car and putting his hands in the air.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/video-drone-man-shot-russians-near-kyiv-ukraine-war-latest-sqhrbtdrb

Dad, Please Don't Die!': Harrowing Video Captures Deadly Russian Attack On Ukrainian Father And Son
https://www.rferl.org/a/father-son-attacked-russia-ukraine/31734834.html

Ukrainian officials and local residents have said the mayor of a small town, along with her husband and son, were executed by invading Russian forces that had until recently occupied the area. Mayor Olga Sukhenko and her family were shot and thrown into a pit in a forest behind a plot of land with several houses that the Russian forces then took over in the town of Motyzhyn, they said.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/olga-sukhenko-ukraine-mayor-russia-accused-killing-torture/

Your lies are an affront to these murdered people and their families.

The Ukrainian president is living a reality show. European Parliaments and the UN are allowing him to express whatever he wants, his busy demanding more weapons from them to fight the Russian military. His allegations against Russia are war propaganda. There is an orchestrated media strategy coming from the USA, to discredit Russia, that is going on. Peace talks seem to be not important. USA oligarchs want to keep the war on: they are making money out of the selling of oil, gas and weapons.

Gee, what a shocker!


Don't stay up nights waiting for that.

I did not read it.

I do not care what it says.  I care what Russians are doing on the ground, not what they say or sign.

Any agreements with Russia are not worth much.

Only total and absolute demilitarization of Russia will lead to long-lasting peace.

Anything else is just postponing the inevitable. Russia is on a collision course for a total destruction.

I will ask this question to you too, have you read the text of the Minsk agreements? I ask it today for the third time to three different people here, and no one answered in essence, did no one read them? This is getting really interesting. That is, you don’t even have an idea about what the four parties consisting of Ukraine, Russia, Germany and France actually agreed on eight years ago - and the implementation of which Ukraine successfully sabotaged for eight years, which as a result led to the current invasion of Russia, which realized that its titanic efforts to resolve the issue peacefully is simply futile. I'm right, you didn't read it either?
I'm glad you're alive. Will you take a break from the defense and immediately launch a counter-offensive on Moscow?

UK Newspaper Hides Ukraine Truth in Plain Sight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aCf6pmdY7E

What about the Russian invasion? Was that part of the Minsk agreement?

I just hope you will be forcefully drafted into the Russian army and will be sent to fight in Ukraine.

Here i have a good text in russian, about this propaganda move (not mine): "Пoчитaл вoт, чтo, oкaзывaeтcя, в Укpaинe звepcтвa пo oтнoшeнию к poccийcким coлдaтaм пpoявляют, и чтo этo oчeнь лицeмepнo, чтo вecь миp зaмeчaeт peзню в Бyчe, нo нe peaгиpyeт нa жecтoкoe oбpaщeниe c pyccкими coлдaтaми.

Hy чтo тyт cкaзaть? Жecтoкocть к пoвepжeннoмy вpaгy - плoxo. Пытки - плoxo. Кaзни - плoxo. Ho paвнять poccийcкиx и yкpaинcкиx coлдaт здecь - лицeмepиe. Oни нe paвны изнaчaльнo. Cтoит нaпoмнить тoлькo лишь, чтo вoйнa идёт нa тeppитopии Укpaины. Этo poccийcкиe coлдaты тyдa пpишли. Poccийcкиe paкeты paзбoмбили yкpaинcкиe гopoдa. Poccийcкиe coлдaты нacилyют, yбивaют и мapoдepcтвyют миpныx житeлeй. И тpeбoвaть джeнтльмeнcкoгo oтнoшeния к ceбe пocлe этoгo... нy, этo нeaдeквaтнo. Этo кaк нaпacть нa чeлoвeкa, зapeзaть eгo нoжoм, изнacилoвaть eгo жeнy, eгo дeтeй, a пoтoм плaкaть, чтo пpишёл eгo coceд и тeбe пизды дaл. Tипa "a мeня тo зa чтo?".

Poccийcкaя apмия и poccийcкaя пpoпaгaндa здecь вocпpoизвoдят этy пcиxoлoгию, cтoль pacпpocтpaнeннyю в Poccии, кoгдa здopoвыe взpocлыe мyжики включaют бycидo, бычaт, лeзyт дpaтьcя, и caми жe вызывaют мycopoв и плaчyтcя им. Bcю жизнь тaкиx нeнaвидeл. Boт этo, кaжeтcя, ceгoдня coциaльный xapaктep нaшeгo oбщecтвa, вocпитaнный oбъeктивными ycлoвиями, пpи кoтopыx живyт poccиянe. Taкoй cплaв пaцaнcкo-тюpeмныx пoнятий c мycopcким гocyдapcтвoм. Tип мнe вcё мoжнo, бyдy дeлaть чтo зaxoчy и включy мaчo, любыe пpoблeмы peшy кyлaкaми, a ecли мнe ктo oтвeтит, тo мycopнycь. Boт этo вoт глyбиннaя мopaль pyccкoгo миpa ceгoдня, и имeннo этy лoгикy и дeмoнcтpиpyют пpoпaгaндиcты и cepдoбoльныe poccиянe, вoзмyщaющиecя жecтoким oбpaщeниeм c poccийcкими coлдaтaми, нo игнopиpyющиe peзню миpныx yкpaинцeв, и гoгoчyщиe нaд жecтoким oбpaщeниeм c yкpaинcкими coлдaтaми. Paзвe тe жe caмыe пpoпaгaндиcтcкиe кaнaлы нe дeмoнcтpиpyют peгyляpнo кaдpы c yнижeнными и дpoжaщими yкpaинцaми нa кoлeняx, чтo иcпyгaннo кpичaт пo тpeбoвaнию гoгoчyщиx чeчeнцeв "Axмaт - cилa"? Taкoe, кoнeчнo, дeлaeтcя дoбpoвoльнo, a нe пoд пыткaми и cтpaxoм cмepти? Oдни и тe жe кaнaлы дeмoнcтpиpyют эти видeo, и вoзмyщaютcя жecтoкocтью пo oтнoшeнию к poccийcким плeнным.

Этy жe лoгикy oни дeмoнcтpиpoвaли пpи тpaгeдияx в дoмax пpoфcoюзoв. Кoгдa в Киeвe cилoвики coжгли зaживo пpoтecтyющиx в мecтнoм дoмe пpoфcoюзoв, эти люди paдocтнo oтпycкaли шyтoчки пpo "caлo пoдгopeлo" и "тaк им и нaдo". A кoгдa в Oдecce в oтвeт нa cтpeльбy и кoктeйли мoлoтoвa c aнтимaйдaннoй cтopoны мaйдaннaя cтopoнa coжглa aгpeccopoв, тo здecь "yжac, нeлюди, кaк тaк мoжнo?". Ta жe caмaя лoгикa - мнe мoжнo, a дpyгим нeльзя. Я бyдy нacaждaть cвoё cилoй, a ecли мнe дaдyт cдaчи - зaплaчy и мycopнycь.

У нopмaльныx людeй жe aгpeccop и зaщищaющийcя никoгдa нe бyдyт paвными. Зaщищaющийcя впpaвe пpимeнить тe мeтoды oбopoны, кoтopыe oн cчитaeт нaибoлee эффeктивными. Этo нe oн выбpaл этoт кoнфликт, кoнфликт нaчaлcя пo винe aгpeccopa. И ecли aгpeccop дyмaeт, чтo нaпaдaя нa чeлoвeкa, oн бyдeт ycтaнaвливaть paмки дoпycтимoгo нacилия, чтo тoлькo oн бyдeт пpимeнять нacилиe - нy, чтo жe, peaльнocть eгo жecтoкo oблoмaeт, кoнeчнo. Зaщищaющийcя впpaвe дeлaть вcё для cвoeй зaщиты.

Poccийcкиx coлдaт жaлкo, кoнeчнo. Tex из ниx, ктo нe coвepшaл жecтoкocтeй пo oтнoшeнию к миpнoмy нaceлeнию. Tex из ниx, ктo нe бoeц Pocгвapдии и нe мycop. Ho пpeтeнзии здecь нyжнo пpeдъявлять зa ниx вoвce нe yкpaинцaм, нa чью зeмлю oни пpишли и кoтopыe oбopoняютcя, и кoтopыe тoчнo тaкжe xoтят жить, кaк и эти poccийcкиe coлдaты. Укpaинцaм oни caми выбopa нe ocтaвили. Пpeтeнзии здecь нyжнo пpeдъявлять тoмy, ктo пocлaл coлдaт нa вoйнy, и тeм, ктo этy вoйнy пoддepживaeт и пpoпaгaндиpyeт - Пyтинy, Coлoвьeвым-Киceлeвым, вceвoзмoжным импepцaм, нaциoнaлиcтaм, нaцбoлaм и тд. Boт oни тo yбивaют poccийcкиx coлдaт, a нe oбopoняющиecя yкpaинцы"

I picked most important takes with bold.

And yeah, I'm back (at least for some time)

Yes, of course, it's interesting that you mentioned it. I can tell you two things about this:
1. The Budapest memorandum "is not worth the paper on which it was signed" and, according to the United States, is not legally binding, although Russia strictly followed it and even the fate of Crimea was decided not by Russia, but by the citizens of Crimea themselves in a referendum, within the framework of the nation's right to self-determination, which is the cornerstone of international law and is explicitly included in the UN Charter.
2. The trigger for the start of the operation in Ukraine on February 24, 2022 was Zelensky’s public statement that Ukraine could call into question the obligations under the Budapest Memorandum.

So what about the Minsk agreements?

Have you read the text of the Budapest Agreements?

Unfortunately, I know much more about the events in Ukraine than I would like.

But it doesn't seem like it's a case where you can say "enough of this shit, let's get on with the next story".
Yes, Putin is right. No matter how hard they try to portray Russian soldiers as orcs who steal toilet bowls from Ukrainians because they were first seen and other ridiculous epics of the Fourth Reich. In this story the Russians are on the bright side of the Force, as always.
Are you flattering me again or is this sarcasm? Just in case, thanks.
Do not dramatize, no one in their right mind will climb to clear seven floors underground of a bunker near Azovstal. I think it will either be flooded with water or the Nazis of Azov will be smoked out with chemicals not from the list of banned chemical weapons. Technically, even the tear gas used by the police to disperse demonstrators in democratic countries can also be called a chemical attack. Military experts from the Russian troops of radiochemical protection will find a legal way to solve this problem. The Marines of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who wanted to surrender have already surrendered, the rest have made their choice.
Here you get on a very slippery slope and I would like to warn you against this. The last war that is really a "war" on this planet was declared by the USSR to Japan in 1945 and it is still strictly speaking not over, because there is no peace treaty. All other armed conflicts after that do not have the formal status of war, including the US and Korea, the US and Vietnam, the US and Iraq, the US and Afghanistan, etc.

You really do not know what is happening in Ukraine.

This S-300 complex was destroyed yesterday by a high-precision weapon strike. A refutation was received from Slovakia with reference to the statement of the Ukrainian side, but in the conditions of a full-scale information war against Russia around the world, the unfounded statements of the Ukrainian side are worth about zero. Yes, Ukraine still has remnants of air defense, and it even seems that they really managed to knock out a couple of low-flying K-52 Black Sharks with Stingers, but in general, the Russian aerospace forces feel quite comfortable in the air over Ukraine and every day the pilots perform their combat tasks. The big surprise of the Russians in this operation, which made a sensation on military resources, is the X-31PM anti-radar missile with a range of 300 km. If an aircraft with such a missile detects enemy radar radiation, the enemy no longer has a radar. The remnants of the air defense of Ukraine are forced to work almost blindly, turn on the radar for a short time, change positions, and use other tricks. But in the end there is no continuous zone of observation.

It is not outdated, it's just that NATO soldiers do not know how to fight. Let's be honest, NATO instructors do an excellent job of training sabotage teams. And when NATO instructors begin to train soldiers from third world countries, instead of sabotage groups, for some reason, gangs of terrorists usually turn out.

In urban battles there are always civilian casualties, unfortunately this is inevitable. Russian soldiers do their best to minimize them, even if it increases the risks for themselves. I'm talking about the fact that the Russians never deliberately kill civilians, realizing that in front of them is a man without a weapon. I am sorry if for some this statement seems far from reality, amazing news or some kind of revelation. There is not a single country in modern history where Russia took part in armed conflicts, and where Russian soldiers would be seen in some atrocities or inappropriate behavior towards civilians. Even in Afghanistan, local residents still warmly and respectfully treat Russian soldiers, although there are areas where a civilian is a civilian during the day, and in the evening he is a Taliban fighter.
An international investigation is already underway in Bucha, but everything is clear as day there. The national police entered the city and organized a purge of "collaborators", killing everyone who did not have a blue bandage on his arm, and especially those with a white one. Yes, even shooting a video about it, which they then tried in vain to remove from the network.

It is interesting that the provocation in Kramatorsk was quickly hushed up after the serial number of the Ukrainian missile surfaced. Shame on the killers of civilians, these Nazi degenerates and drug addicts will all be demilitarized and denazified soon. It is a surreal nonsense and at the same time a reality when the civilians of Mariupol say: I heard "Allah Akbar!"* and crossed herself - Thank God, the Russians have come.

*Chechens from the Kadyrov regiment, who are actively involved in the cleansing of Mariupol, are Muslims.

If you refuse to expand your view geographically, can you expand your view in time? I don't understand why you consider the current events in Ukraine taken out of context? Have you read the text of the Minsk agreements?

https://nypost.com/2022/04/05/russians-burned-swastikas-into-victims-bodies-report/

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/04/11/world/europe/bucha-terror.html

Not really, Ukraine is signatory to such treaties. Even worse, those are technically Ukrainian citizens, and recently DNR/LNR have been "drafting" every male resident going as far as literally chasing them and beating them on the street: https://vimeo.com/698397206

So this basically means that Ukrainian forces have to fight against their own forcibly drafted citizens, who didn't want to be in this war to begin with. They were like 10 years old in 2014 when some dude in Kremlin decided their fate. Such a horrible mess.

I guess that means that troops in those territories cannot claim that any treaty has then been broken if their soldiers are treated inhumanly? Seems to cut both ways?


Most likely. There may be a case that "concern" translates into further and quicker aid.

There are unconfirmed reports that some "substance" was released from a drone. Could be false (calling Basurin's bluff), not sure.

Funny (not really) thing about Basurin and other DNR/LNR nutjobs - Russia can claim that these "independent" states haven't signed any international agreements regarding chemical weapons. And when I say "can", I mean Kremlin trolls are already doing it in comments on Russian sites, coming soon to Reddit/Youtube/etc.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis#Chemical_attack

Not much cover-up needed. They don't care about killing their own civilians, certainly won't care about "nazis". The West will be "very concerned".

It would make tactical sense (that is, if Putin's psychos decide so) since that would allow capturing the installations with minimal damage. I am not sure what kind of response would come to the use of chemical weapons or how would Putin try to cover up the mess after.


No questions, no more than 3 sentences and youtube video watching and link clicking mandatory... You certainly like setting rules for others don't you?


This got me thinking for a while. Putin has not declared war and is, as you say, insisting that this is not war. I guess that by some dark twisted karma boomerang Russian soldiers cannot be PoW but, as you say, terrorists comiting acts of terror in Ukrainian territory.

In any case, war is a dirty business. I have not seen one in which armies acted with chivalry and respect - hate is too strong. Still, it is different if a bunch of irregulars decide to behave like animals from a institutional chain-of-command order to do so.

Against my usual ways, I watched the video. Basic threatening and fear tactic, level 2 of 10. If you are one of Putin's minions you probably could not care less. It mostly helps Putin's side IMHO.