Germany - 2 billion in aid.
US - another 800M in aid.
This is for flowers and confetti according to the "Russian Ministry of Dark Humour and Fantasy Tales"
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Exaggerate LOL. Some other "exaggerations":
Just military training, definitely not invasion.
Entire Ukrainian air force and AA defense was allegedly destroyed but continues to function two months later.
Russian soldiers came to "liberate" but instead killed civilians and looted homes.
30 biolabs developing military geese and pigeon corps.
Russia "defending" Donbas but killing predominantly Russian-speaking Donbas population.
The flagship randomly catches fire because it can't possibly be that the non-existent Bayraktars and non-existent Ukrainian anti-ship missiles could have something to do with it.
But by all means, keep looking for excuses for Russian propaganda lies.
Exaggerate LOL. Some other "exaggerations":
Just military training, definitely not invasion.
Entire Ukrainian air force and AA defense was allegedly destroyed but continues to function two months later.
Russian soldiers came to "liberate" but instead killed civilians and looted homes.
30 biolabs developing military geese and pigeon corps.
Russia "defending" Donbas but killing predominantly Russian-speaking Donbas population.
The flagship randomly catches fire because it can't possibly be that the non-existent Bayraktars and non-existent Ukrainian anti-ship missiles could have something to do with it.
But by all means, keep looking for excuses for Russian propaganda lies.
Be aware of the pigeons, do not underestimate them.
On regards to the Moskova, this ship was "old" but sinking it is was not easy at all. It has 3 layers of anti-missile defences including a long range interceptor similar to a Patriot, a second layer of intercepting misiles (OASIS I think) and then a layer of radar guided Gatling guns.
My opinion, and I have no proof of it, is that this had to be done in close collaboration with an intelligence source that I would not imagine would usually be within the means of the Ukraine services. For the simulations I have seen, there are some specific water conditions in which the three layers of defence become much less effective. The first one is not of real use for low-altitude missiles like the Neptune, the second may not be launched for safety and the Gatlings are a a game of chance. On top of that, you need to know where to hit the ship to sink it in one shot.
The Moskova was built to be able to destroy a Nimitz class carrier. I am sure it did attract quite a bit of attention from the US and probably they have been keen on knowing the details of its systems. This does seem like a message to Putin, but not from Ukraine.
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You are again twisting the facts. I didn't claim that the Russian side necessarily tells the truth. I suggested looking for information in primary sources, and not through the prism of someone else's interpretations.
You are again twisting the facts. I didn't claim that the Russian side necessarily tells the truth. I suggested looking for information in primary sources, and not through the prism of someone else's interpretations.
This is what you wrote:
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The strategy of the 'defenders' did indeed seem to be to use multiple civilian buildings and keep the civilians hostage in them while doing so. ...
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The strategy of the 'defenders' did indeed seem to be to use multiple civilian buildings and keep the civilians hostage in them while doing so. ...
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The article you quote does not say that the civilians were held hostage at any point, thus this is your interpretation and therefore your claim or opinion.
Now, you have the chance to set the record straight - Do you claim that the Ukrainian army has held their civilians hostage in buildings to protect their military at any point or not?
Sorry Velcro (or whatever), but the kid just doesn't seem that sharp with his reading skills. Anyway,
I (tvbcof) said 'seem'. As time goes by, it 'seems' that way more and more. What I did not say was 'Ukrainian army'. It seems to me more the case that these tactics are widely employed by a set of groups who's subservience to the regular nation's regular army command is in many cases quite dubious. Looks like it's the opposite in some cases.
Looks to me a lot like the Syria model where effectively criminal elements within the country and a large number of foreign mercenaries, often quite radical, were tasked with wanton destruction of all aspects of the country. In Syria they pinned on the label 'ISIS', and it was pretty clear that Western (chiefly U.S.) and Israeli organizers were behind the operations. It's looking more and more like that is the case here as well.
You see, if your read an article where does not say what you say anything beyond it, even if you use "seems" is your opinion. In this post you are again seeming to argue about it.
So you did use the opportunity to clarify that is not the Ukrainian army, but some undefined group. Good boy there.
Yet, again, this is your creation, as the source does not mention it. So again, do you have any proof?
As you do not seem to have good reading skills either, I will ask again: Does any of you claim that the Ukrainian army has held their civilians hostage in buildings to protect their military at any point or not? If so, any proof other that what it "seems" to you?
Oh, I forgot, thank for saying I am a kid. I must look better than I thought.
By the way, if you are saying someone is not able to read right, perhaps you should not refer to "Veleor" as "Velcro". Just saying.
