Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 329. (Read 77054 times)

This is indeed a big problem, but it is predominantly in the minds of the soldiers of the Ukrainian army, who often use schools, hospitals and the upper floors of residential buildings as their bases and firing positions. It would be better if they did it silently for the image of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but there are quite a lot of such videos on the net. As soon as field intelligence finds something similar, a missile attack on the position of the Armed Forces of Ukraine immediately follows.

Your video on the second link shows an alleged missile attack on a high-rise building in Kyiv and its consequences. It was the success of the Ukrainian missile defense at the very beginning of the operation, a Russian missile aimed at a military facility was shot down and its fragments fell into a residential building. If a Russian rocket hit the house, the house would not have a hole in the side, but a large pile of rubble.

The third video shows a missile attack on the building of the Kharkiv city administration, where at that moment a gathering of nationalists was taking place. These data were obtained and confirmed by Russian intelligence from several sources. The Russian special services have long hands, I recommend that the militants of the national battalions do not gather in groups of more than 20 people and do not stay in one place for a long time. The range of the Kalibr missile is more than 2500 km, the range of the X-101 missile is more than 5500 km, the range of the Iskander missile is up to 500 km, the high-precision missile can be struck from the sea, from the air or from the ground at any point in Ukraine at any time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr6vKmaEfgg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA368e26Ktw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09gNhMWI1Vo
The problem is they target civilian targets like residential buildings, hospitals, schools.
Sure, they hit where they aim, at least that's some truth coming out of their lying mouths.

They don't understand that Soviet techniques of constant denial even in the face of hard facts will not work in the era of the Internet. They are bringing 20th century warfare and misinformation tactics to a 21st century battlefield.

The ongoing situation and crisis is a really sad situation, It was never expected that this situation will last this long. My heart goes out to all Ukrainians who have lost family, friends and properties majorly as a result of their city and land now turned into a battlefield.  Some friends of mine from Ukraine are now in Romania, when I asked the possibility of them returning after the crisis, it was very slim... One said that there will be nothing to return to but sad memories, that it was best to move on, how sad.

I think it was like this. The national police of Ukraine entered the city and staged a cleansing operation, killing first comers without blue armbands (- Boн пaцaны бeз cиниx пoвязoк, мoжнo пo ним cтpeлять? - A тo, бля!), and especially "collaborators" with white armbands. Then, in the propaganda department, they decided that it was possible to make a good picture on this and blame the Russians.

With a cyclist, this is a different story and it is rather strange. I already expressed my opinion on it above, perhaps the Russians considered his behavior strange and saw the threat of a terrorist attack, because I see no other reasonable reasons to shoot several times from a 30mm cannon of an airborne combat vehicle, and then from a tank at a man on a bicycle. I hope the international investigation, which is currently underway, will restore in detail the picture of the tragedy in Bucha.

And what about Kramatorsk? I see everything quickly calmed down there after the serial number surfaced. Provocation failed? But there 50 people died from a missile strike with cluster munitions on their own civilians. An ugly story, it would be nice to deal with it and punish the perpetrators. However, I think that the direct executors have already been demilitarized, Russian intelligence officers in the field work well and Russian missiles hit right on the target.
Russia has no claims to Mongolia.
I think Putin underestimated Ukraine's desire to fight Russia. Perhaps he harbored false hopes that the Nazi contagion had struck mainly only the militants of the nationalist battalions, but not the regular army of Ukraine. Otherwise, it would have been reasonable in the very first days or even hours of the operation to inflict massive missile strikes on military barracks, this would have had a strong demoralizing effect. Ukraine is fighting very well against such a strong opponent as Russia. A change in general means a change in tactics, I think the operation will become more bloody in the near future. Personally, it doesn't make me happier.

If this spontaneous detonation sounds like bullshit, it's because it most likely is bullshit. The "ammunition" that detonated was apparently delivered by a Ukrainian "Neptune" missile.


BTW allegedly that's the infamous "Russian warship" from the early days of the war.

Edit: unconfirmed report of distress signal and eventual sinking. ~500 people on board ("completely evacuated" is likely bullshit too) and a massive blow to the Black Sea fleet and to Putin's ego.

It's the same narrative they used in when the Katyn massacre came to light and then when they shot down the Malaysian passenger plane.

In Katyn:
It wasn't us it was the Germans!
Ok, fine it was us.

In Ukraine (Malaysian jet)
It wasn't us it was the Ukrainians
It wasn't us it was the Ukrainian separatist
Ok, fine it was us.

In Bucha:
It's all fake
It's not all fake, but it was the Ukrainians who did it
Now we're waiting for "ok, fine, we did it"

He also said in the first week or so that Russia wasn't surrounding Kiev because they wanted to let civilians evacuate, and that all who didn't leave or lay down their weapons would be destroyed and only a fool would believe otherwise.

I think at this point it's fair to assume his arguments aren't being made in good faith.

Americans Are “In Charge” of the War Says French Journalist Who Returned From Ukraine
https://miamistandard.news/2022/04/12/americans-are-in-charge-of-the-war-says-french-journalist-who-returned-from-ukraine/

The Fall of Mariupol?
https://rumble.com/v10u6w9-the-fall-of-mariupol.html

I like how you changed your position about Bucha. First you said that it was fake made by Ukraine when they carried out dead people to the streets to show it to foreign media. And now you're saying  that they made purge of collaborators.
If something goes against Russian narrative, just blame Ukrainians, even if all proofs  goes against you. About that video with shooting in Bucha, it's clearly visible that tanks have V letter used by Russian forces. Even Peskov was caught on interview. So, then he simply started to defend himself that it was fake.

Uhh, the first, and really most important point was:

Respect Belarusian, Kazakh and Ukrainian independence and sovereignty in the existing borders.

Meanwhile, Putin has been running around trying to convince world leaders that Ukraine isn't really a country for years.

You're trying too hard with these sob stories that no one asked for.

You know what they say about people who don't learn from history. You should probably read up on what a delusional Russian (well, technically Georgian) dictator did in 1936 when things didn't go his way.

I read a couple of the articles posted above.

 It looks like the Ukraine people were liberated from Russia by 'Nazi's' way back when.  The Ukraine people seemed to have welcomed this liberation (how bad must the Russians have been to welcome the 'Nazi's'!!??)

From reading further, Nazi's seemed to be defined by Russia as anyone that hated Russian's.

So, based on that historical definition, All Ukrainians are now Nazi's (as I'm pretty sure they all hate Russians now). As well as all Americans, Polish, English, Mongols (eh, just guessing), Japanese (give them their island back), etc.  

That also makes the Chinese Nazi's because they secretly hate Russians too, they are just smiling at you as they slowly wind the rope tighter around the Russian neck.

We are a world of Nazi's on one side and Russians on the other.

So, its simple, it’s just that the Russian definition of a Nazi is someone that hates Russia.  Not the definition I grew up with.. but whatever works.

Did I read the articles right?

Putin could not care less if there are Nazis or not. His aims are unrelated to any "crusade" of "holy war", they are only geopolitical and at this point, it is quite clear that he overestimated his army, underestimated Ukrainian's will to be free, got the EU response completely wrong and, at this point he just had to change fully the strategy and put it under the command of a general that successfully flattened Aleppo and called that a victory.

He is playing a desperate last card with the lives of the young Russian soldiers.

There is no possible "reason" for a war of aggression.


Are you trying to help the Ukrainian cause by making Putin's claims impossible to believe? Just in case, thanks.



I see, we are showing some advance here.
 From they never shoot,
 to they only shoot if it cannot be avoided.

<- You are here 

to they shoot only sometimes
oh crap... they could not care less if there are civilians.
But... how cant this be... a massive grave of 1000 right the day we leave a town

I understand your feelings, everyone wants to think they are doing the right thing. It must be annoying to be in a situation of insight: "Hans, are we villains?" It's fun to watch this transformation:
- There are no Nazis in Ukraine
- Well, maybe there are some isolated cases
- There may be more of them than I thought, but they are doing the right thing and fighting evil invaders

--> you are here

- Fuck, this is a solid Nazi viper, but the Russians are even worse
- What kind of Minsk agreements, did the Russians really have a reason?
- I'm going to commit suicide from an overdose of lard.

I am sure they are good at "tactical" retreats for what I have seen so far. Instead of invading Ukraine, retreat to Moscow, burn it and go East. Who knows, it worked with Napoleon and the previous Tzars.

Actually, it was you putting in question the ability of NATO soldiers, which in itself is interesting, as there is not such a thing as a NATO soldier.

But answering your question, it depends of what you consider fighting well:
- If good is systematically reaching the objectives with minimal losses and damages to infrastructure, civilians and the environment and their diplomatic stance in the world, Putin's army sucks.
- If good is reaching the objective at "no matter the cost", that happens around 50% of the times and only with enemies of one tenth (or less) the resources of Putin's army.

You see, on this war you are not facing a general in Georgia or waging a war against irregulars trying to create a caliphate. You are facing a determined army that will have   plenty of aid. Oh, do not get me wrong, Putin will claim a victory so everything will be all right. Well, except for a few tens of thousands of young Russian soldiers and their families, but they do not matter, right?


Because they did not have any proper enemy in the last 60 years in a battlefield? Because of the nuclear deterrent?

I believe you mentioned in a previous post that the Russian army was 3 million, now you are saying is small army and population? And it is not the first time you say something and the opposite within days. Have you changed your controller?


There is an offensive on Putin. You only understand about armies and shelling, but there are other weapons and they are being used. You do not seem to grasp the long term implications of Putin's actions for the Russian stance and the economy.

I hope they send Ghost of Kiev to hunt that Russian tank that teleported inside Kiev 1h after invasion started
 tasked directly by Putin for special operation of driving over civilian cars

I glanced over to see what I had already seen. This is tabloid shit for stupid degenerates and vanilla moms.
My answer is how much is needed. But even your first number will be a great success for Ukraine.

So you did not even bother to look at the links because, according to you, there's so much fakes that these are surely fake too. Instead, you diverted the conversation into a movie and a tank. I didn't mention any tanks or movies, just people shot by Russians, at close range. These links prove that you're lying about Russians not shooting at unarmed civilians.
Also, even if I were a Russian commander, I wouldn't be able to swear that none of my soldiers shot at unarmed civilians. When you send a thousand people to occupy a town it's impossible to keep an eye on each and every one of them, yet you claim that they aren't killing unarmed people, like you're some all knowing being. You insist on something you cannot possibly know, which proves you're full of shit.


Grasping at straws much?

Do you have any doubts that Russian soldiers are good at fighting? Look on the map at your country and then at Russia. Therefore, again on his own and again on Russia. Then look at the population of Russia and the number of its regular army. Then ask yourself - how the hell with such a small population and army did they take so much land for themselves and not give it to anyone? Maybe you will have fewer doubts that Russian soldiers know how to fight well.

The US generally has a different strategy - to fit an aircraft carrier and bomb from it for a month, then land ground troops and finish off the survivors under the rubble. If you need to act more subtle - to attract sabotage groups of special forces. With these tactics, the 500,000 dead children in Iraq are considered acceptable losses in the struggle for the triumph of democracy. Maybe the United States once knew how to fight, but they forgot how to do it a long time ago.
If it sounded like this, it's a problem with my English, sorry.

I have been observing a lot of different sources of information since the beginning of the operation, but I am only actively doing something about this here on this forum. There is loyal moderation here and there is no noticeable numerical superiority of supporters of one side or another - a very rare combination, possibly unique. It would be wiser for me to just remain silent, and at first I did so - but some kind of way out is needed with such a volume of incoming information. In a sense, this is stress management in a rapidly changing world.

Third. But I don't think my English is the problem. Today we forced a photo of a crying girl next to the corpse of her murdered mother, very touching - although this is a frame from the movie "Brest Fortress" lol sounds like bragging since it's not attributed to anyone else, and it would sound the same way in any language.


Here's the thing though:

https://www.stopfake.org/en/snapshot-of-movie-the-brest-fortress-is-being-presented-as-a-photo-of-donbass/

Looks like this goes all the way back to Russian trolls in 2014.

And look at this now in 2022: https://dpa-factchecking.com/netherlands/220228-99-326736/


Your troll factory may have overdone this one.