Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 329. (Read 73557 times)

He also said in the first week or so that Russia wasn't surrounding Kiev because they wanted to let civilians evacuate, and that all who didn't leave or lay down their weapons would be destroyed and only a fool would believe otherwise.

I think at this point it's fair to assume his arguments aren't being made in good faith.

Americans Are “In Charge” of the War Says French Journalist Who Returned From Ukraine
https://miamistandard.news/2022/04/12/americans-are-in-charge-of-the-war-says-french-journalist-who-returned-from-ukraine/

The Fall of Mariupol?
https://rumble.com/v10u6w9-the-fall-of-mariupol.html

I like how you changed your position about Bucha. First you said that it was fake made by Ukraine when they carried out dead people to the streets to show it to foreign media. And now you're saying  that they made purge of collaborators.
If something goes against Russian narrative, just blame Ukrainians, even if all proofs  goes against you. About that video with shooting in Bucha, it's clearly visible that tanks have V letter used by Russian forces. Even Peskov was caught on interview. So, then he simply started to defend himself that it was fake.

Uhh, the first, and really most important point was:

Respect Belarusian, Kazakh and Ukrainian independence and sovereignty in the existing borders.

Meanwhile, Putin has been running around trying to convince world leaders that Ukraine isn't really a country for years.

You're trying too hard with these sob stories that no one asked for.

You know what they say about people who don't learn from history. You should probably read up on what a delusional Russian (well, technically Georgian) dictator did in 1936 when things didn't go his way.

I read a couple of the articles posted above.

 It looks like the Ukraine people were liberated from Russia by 'Nazi's' way back when.  The Ukraine people seemed to have welcomed this liberation (how bad must the Russians have been to welcome the 'Nazi's'!!??)

From reading further, Nazi's seemed to be defined by Russia as anyone that hated Russian's.

So, based on that historical definition, All Ukrainians are now Nazi's (as I'm pretty sure they all hate Russians now). As well as all Americans, Polish, English, Mongols (eh, just guessing), Japanese (give them their island back), etc.  

That also makes the Chinese Nazi's because they secretly hate Russians too, they are just smiling at you as they slowly wind the rope tighter around the Russian neck.

We are a world of Nazi's on one side and Russians on the other.

So, its simple, it’s just that the Russian definition of a Nazi is someone that hates Russia.  Not the definition I grew up with.. but whatever works.

Did I read the articles right?

Putin could not care less if there are Nazis or not. His aims are unrelated to any "crusade" of "holy war", they are only geopolitical and at this point, it is quite clear that he overestimated his army, underestimated Ukrainian's will to be free, got the EU response completely wrong and, at this point he just had to change fully the strategy and put it under the command of a general that successfully flattened Aleppo and called that a victory.

He is playing a desperate last card with the lives of the young Russian soldiers.

There is no possible "reason" for a war of aggression.


Are you trying to help the Ukrainian cause by making Putin's claims impossible to believe? Just in case, thanks.



I see, we are showing some advance here.
 From they never shoot,
 to they only shoot if it cannot be avoided.

<- You are here 

to they shoot only sometimes
oh crap... they could not care less if there are civilians.
But... how cant this be... a massive grave of 1000 right the day we leave a town

I understand your feelings, everyone wants to think they are doing the right thing. It must be annoying to be in a situation of insight: "Hans, are we villains?" It's fun to watch this transformation:
- There are no Nazis in Ukraine
- Well, maybe there are some isolated cases
- There may be more of them than I thought, but they are doing the right thing and fighting evil invaders

--> you are here

- Fuck, this is a solid Nazi viper, but the Russians are even worse
- What kind of Minsk agreements, did the Russians really have a reason?
- I'm going to commit suicide from an overdose of lard.

I am sure they are good at "tactical" retreats for what I have seen so far. Instead of invading Ukraine, retreat to Moscow, burn it and go East. Who knows, it worked with Napoleon and the previous Tzars.

Actually, it was you putting in question the ability of NATO soldiers, which in itself is interesting, as there is not such a thing as a NATO soldier.

But answering your question, it depends of what you consider fighting well:
- If good is systematically reaching the objectives with minimal losses and damages to infrastructure, civilians and the environment and their diplomatic stance in the world, Putin's army sucks.
- If good is reaching the objective at "no matter the cost", that happens around 50% of the times and only with enemies of one tenth (or less) the resources of Putin's army.

You see, on this war you are not facing a general in Georgia or waging a war against irregulars trying to create a caliphate. You are facing a determined army that will have   plenty of aid. Oh, do not get me wrong, Putin will claim a victory so everything will be all right. Well, except for a few tens of thousands of young Russian soldiers and their families, but they do not matter, right?


Because they did not have any proper enemy in the last 60 years in a battlefield? Because of the nuclear deterrent?

I believe you mentioned in a previous post that the Russian army was 3 million, now you are saying is small army and population? And it is not the first time you say something and the opposite within days. Have you changed your controller?


There is an offensive on Putin. You only understand about armies and shelling, but there are other weapons and they are being used. You do not seem to grasp the long term implications of Putin's actions for the Russian stance and the economy.

Sounds good.  The current count as of today is 19,600.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/

20,000 will be dead by April 14th.  Ukrainians are killing 100-300 Russians each day now after Russia changed tactics.

So you have no upper limit, other than the physical limit of about 42,000,000 military-age Russians (Putin included), is that your position?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1005416/population-russia-gender-age-group/

I hope they send Ghost of Kiev to hunt that Russian tank that teleported inside Kiev 1h after invasion started
 tasked directly by Putin for special operation of driving over civilian cars

I glanced over to see what I had already seen. This is tabloid shit for stupid degenerates and vanilla moms.
My answer is how much is needed. But even your first number will be a great success for Ukraine.

How many dead Russians is a good price for Crimea/Donbas?

20,000?
200,000?
2,000,000?
20,000,000?
42,000,000?
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/

What is your number at which you would say that Crimea's annexation is not worth it? Give me your number.

Join the Russian army, or if you are too old, send your sons to serve your Rodina and go to Ukraine to die for Crimea.

So you did not even bother to look at the links because, according to you, there's so much fakes that these are surely fake too. Instead, you diverted the conversation into a movie and a tank. I didn't mention any tanks or movies, just people shot by Russians, at close range. These links prove that you're lying about Russians not shooting at unarmed civilians.
Also, even if I were a Russian commander, I wouldn't be able to swear that none of my soldiers shot at unarmed civilians. When you send a thousand people to occupy a town it's impossible to keep an eye on each and every one of them, yet you claim that they aren't killing unarmed people, like you're some all knowing being. You insist on something you cannot possibly know, which proves you're full of shit.


Grasping at straws much?

Do you have any doubts that Russian soldiers are good at fighting? Look on the map at your country and then at Russia. Therefore, again on his own and again on Russia. Then look at the population of Russia and the number of its regular army. Then ask yourself - how the hell with such a small population and army did they take so much land for themselves and not give it to anyone? Maybe you will have fewer doubts that Russian soldiers know how to fight well.

The US generally has a different strategy - to fit an aircraft carrier and bomb from it for a month, then land ground troops and finish off the survivors under the rubble. If you need to act more subtle - to attract sabotage groups of special forces. With these tactics, the 500,000 dead children in Iraq are considered acceptable losses in the struggle for the triumph of democracy. Maybe the United States once knew how to fight, but they forgot how to do it a long time ago.
If it sounded like this, it's a problem with my English, sorry.

I have been observing a lot of different sources of information since the beginning of the operation, but I am only actively doing something about this here on this forum. There is loyal moderation here and there is no noticeable numerical superiority of supporters of one side or another - a very rare combination, possibly unique. It would be wiser for me to just remain silent, and at first I did so - but some kind of way out is needed with such a volume of incoming information. In a sense, this is stress management in a rapidly changing world.

Third. But I don't think my English is the problem. Today we forced a photo of a crying girl next to the corpse of her murdered mother, very touching - although this is a frame from the movie "Brest Fortress" lol sounds like bragging since it's not attributed to anyone else, and it would sound the same way in any language.


Here's the thing though:

https://www.stopfake.org/en/snapshot-of-movie-the-brest-fortress-is-being-presented-as-a-photo-of-donbass/

Looks like this goes all the way back to Russian trolls in 2014.

And look at this now in 2022: https://dpa-factchecking.com/netherlands/220228-99-326736/


Your troll factory may have overdone this one.

Then they would fall in the category of "rebel", I assume that Ukraine, like most states do have some provision in the laws against armed rebels or secessionism. A Rebel can be usually charged with "treason", "high treason", or other around the topic of effectively being someone trying to subvert the regime. Still, they would not be PoW unless there is actually a declared war.

Despite that, the treatment cannot be inhumane. They may even have more rights than an PoW.


Sure... if you say so. I am sure all pilots feel much safer after you and your trusted independent source "The Ministry of dark humour and information" confirm that.


I see, only Russians know how to fight. Same source? Put that in your morning prayers.


Same source or this is your making?  I suggest you put abandon your keyboard and go there, as civilian and take a walk in the frontline,  since you will be perfectly safe, right? You are packing your lunch and teddy bear right now, right?

English is not your first language?

Of course I don't do it and I don't even comment, just watching. At first it was interesting - there are a lot of talented creative people from the cinema community in Zelensky's office. And the financial support of the information campaign is almost unlimited. They quickly ran out of steam, began to repeat themselves - for example, they pass off the same wrecked tanks as new victories in the second round in the hope of a short memory of the layman. They hoped for a blitzkrieg, but something went wrong. It turned out that you need to run not a sprint, but at least a half marathon - and these are two different approaches to the distribution of forces over a distance. (Sh)it happens.

Some (or most) of these stories seem to indicate that Russian generals didn't think they would need to retreat so quickly and leave so much evidence of war crimes. Or perhaps didn't really care.


Not sure if you're just trolling or seriously admitting that you're creating fakes to discredit Ukraine. Either way, nothing new really.