Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 33. (Read 69425 times)

There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics. Not saying that these stats shows not correct information or something. But it doesn't reflects real situation fully.
Same report also classified Ukraine to Upper middle income from being Lower middle income. Also, their GDP had increased. How such thing can in country which is at war for 2.5 years, their economics can't work even at half potential and when they lost few millions from their population?
Russia, your quote already says main reason why it happened - their military industry is working at almost full potential, not like during peacetime.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-21/eu-approves-plan-to-use-the-profits-from-frozen-russian-assets


Mic drop.

Actually, no, it is NOT possible, unless you want to make dollar worth less than paper its printed on
Its not even decided yet what to do with interests on those funds, even less about whole funds.

Even pretty soft approach so far has consequences:

https://www.indiatoday.in/business/story/us-saudi-arabia-petrodollar-deal-history-significance-what-is-it-2553088-2024-06-14


USA surely don't want everyone rushing to get rid of their USD reserves

I would not bet the house on Ukraine defaulting, it will be a month on negotiations that will most like end with the payments being mostly delayed and agreed with creditors. But it is always possible to re-pay with frozen Ruzzian assets you know.

Well, the whole point of supporting Ukraine is not to have to fight with Ruzzia now or in the next few decades. In other words, fight is inevitable given Putin's objective of re-creating the USSR (territorially speaking), it is just a question of where is it going to happen and Ukraine seems like the right place (even for Ukrainians). I would not take for granted that the rightmost parties in Europe will not support Ukraine.

BTW, I have read the report. It does not look like Ruzzia has become better off due to the war, it seems that they are, as I said, on a war economy. You can see in the same report how Ukraine in theory also goes to a higher income category??

On the US elections, again, do not take for granted that Trump will just say "oh... take whatever". Even in the last debate he mentioned that Putin's "peace plan" AKA "surrender and we talk after" was not acceptable either.

Regarding paying to loose Ruzzias "iron grip" (that's funny) ... I agree. But the payment is going to come in the form of more weapons, economic support and intelligence. If you are even thinking of Europe paying anything else to Ruzzia you are absolutely dreaming.

Enjoy.

In a few months, winter will come, and it seems no one is going to restore the destroyed thermal power plants in Ukraine. In a month, Ukraine could expect to default on $20 billion in commercial debt. There are presidential elections in the United States in a few months, which could complicate support for Ukraine. In Europe, elections are also held here and there, and right-wing candidates are increasingly winning them (Italy, Slovakia, France, Austria, Netherlands..). And the point is not that the right is for Russia, they are for their national interest, but the national interest of European countries is, if not to be friends with Russia, then certainly not to fight with it. There are many factors that are now pushing Zelensky to soften his position on peace negotiations with Russia, because Ukraine needs peace or at least a temporary truce now much more than Russia. This means that Russia’s negotiating position will be strong, and Ukraine will have to accept unfavorable conditions for itself and make concessions. And the West will also have to pay a good price for Russia to loosen its iron grip on Ukraine’s neck.

I would like to see that report. Ruzzia is doing better than expected under sanctions, but is not getting "richer", it is burning through the Soviet legacy assets (e.g. thousands of tanks). Is like if you are selling your furniture and claim to be making a lot of money from it. And some of those assets will not come back, they are lost forever. Also, all the frozen assets are already paying the Ukrainian aid. I would not call it a working functional economy.

Well, it seems you are finding it difficult to provide compelling evidence that this price is too expensive for Russia.

Your expectations are your problems.

Above, I have already referred to data from the World Bank (which can hardly be suspected of sympathizing with Russia), according to which Russia is not getting poorer, but rather getting richer during this conflict. Well, why should Russia force its slow flow? Time is on Russia’s side, I said this two years ago, a year ago and I say it now.

Regardless of the accuracy of the claims... how much has Ruzzia paid for that gorgeous piece of real state? I mean, if you want to summarize, you would need to include how many refineries are out of service, how many radars have been destroyed, how many tons of fuel have burned, how many aircraft have been destroyed. Not to mention lives lost - my guess is that you are now getting NK soldiers for a reason. Putin may not be that confident in mobilising more people from Ruzzia properly said.

It is no longer news, but there are drone strikes in the most expensive Ruzzian infrastructure and weapons system daily. Belgorod has become a no-go place, from being a peaceful place even nice to live in. You can look at Km2, but it is a good idea to look at the dollars and people you pay for them.

But sure, in the ground I accept Ruzzia has some initiative for now yet much much less of what should be expected from such a "powerful army".

Well, let's summarize the achievements of Russia and Ukraine on the front line over the past six months in 2024.

Russia captured 55 settlements in the DPR, LPR, Kharkov and Zaporozhye regions, including one city (Avdeevka), two urban-type settlements (Ocheretino, Belogorovka), eight small towns (Lastochkino, Severnoye, Stepovoye, Nevelskoye, Mirnoye, Glubokoye, Shumy, Spornoye) and 44 villages. Ukraine captured nothing.

After all, the US doesn't want to take over a poor country. They learned that from taking over Ukraine.

Meanwhile, the World Bank classified countries by income level for 2024-2025 and included Russia in the category of high-income countries.


That's what viviparous sanctions do.

ps Do not deceive yourself - Russia is making good money from this conflict, and twice: first from destruction, and then from restoring what was destroyed.

The Sevastopol strike has been confirmed by videos. One of the explosion has been really huge, it seems to correspond to a power plant.

I guess this is no longer news, but Ruzzia's energy and oil industries - anything you cannot really move past the Urals, is being hit hard. There is nothing safe up to 1500 km from Ukraine.

In the front, the advances have been minimum, but there is some advance from Ukraine in Kremina and Kherson, not only Ruzzian advances.



Why don't you go and tell them?

Umm, what? Tell that to USA, lol

I'm not saying anything about "evil". I hope you will not deny that right now Israel is trying to resolve the issue in the Gaza Strip by force with the support of the United States? Or that the US invaded Iraq based on a test tube containing fictitious chemical weapons? Or that Türkiye forcibly annexed half of Cyprus without any sanctions? Sometimes issues are resolved by force, this is neither good nor bad, but this is an objective reality that for some reason you are trying to deny.

What you present as the greatest achievement of our civilization is an illusion, a fiction, it does not exist. Strength still matters. Those who are weaker complain.

Oh yeah! "The USA and Israel - the main sources of evil in this world." Is that what your Telly is telling you all the time? Not all of that is true, you know.

You mean, of course, no power other than Israel and the United States?

I am glad that in between propaganda slogans, you understand the real state of affairs.

In my opinion, in today's world you can't be solving problems existing in your head by force, by waging a war against an independent state, like putin is trying to do. He will lose because he's trying to go against the civilisation that has reached this point after evolving for thousands of years. No power is strong enough in this world to decide over others by force. It's the greatest achievement of our civilisation.

For Russia, the presence of the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol is not as important as the absence of a US naval base there.

I hope Ukraine has chosen a not too ambitious task for itself - to deprive the country of the gas station of gasoline.

There are some interesting reports, firstly in Sebastopol - The Black Sea fleet is not there. There are three ships which I am guessing cannot really move or a not deemed important. What do you need Crimea for if you cannot use the ports?

Also, there seems to have been be a wave of drone attacks last night, mostly on industrial facilities in Ruzzia - refineries and other chemical plants. Again, this war is so costly that Ruzzia may take a decade or more to recover from this.

Yes, it would. That is why the aid to Ukraine is being limited to something that stops Putin or will eventually stop it, but not something that could be interpreted as a personal threat to the regime or to his own survival - but this is difficult to calibrate, not a exact science so watch this space...

Now, Ukraine if kicking the Ruzzian army out to the recently invaded areas near Kherson. It is interesting to see how it is possible to make Ruzzia back-off - the Ruzzian army must be in a though moment.

North Korea has promised to send operatives to Ruzzia. Quite amazing given the ridiculously large population of Ruzzia and its satelites.