Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 30. (Read 75389 times)

BBC:
"Russia pushes on key Ukraine city while Kyiv's Kursk incursion slows"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-pushes-key-ukraine-city-171303762.html

They obviously dont read Paxmao and his propaganda articles

For one thing they are victims of the intense propaganda from such a young age that they are often extremely paranoid with a psychological need to group together...and other disturbing psychological characteristics.

I already explained the hypothesis in the deleted post how the Ashkanazis who, in the modern banking system dominated world of today, and who 'say they are Jews and are not, but do lie', are really from ancient Khazaria and consider parts of the current Ukraine area home and feel that they were robbed (and in many cases they kind of were.)  The 'holy land' with Israel and what-not was a convenient middle step people and only worked because of the story-line they built about the purity of their blood-lines and all that garbage.  It was more than anything the story-line was self-propaganda against Eastern European Jews, and it worked like a charm.

In other news, I wonder if the reason Ukraine said a bunch of conflicting things about the F-16 loss but has said nothing about it officially is that in actual fact it was shot down by an SU-57 as the Turks claim?

Lol. Just ask paxmao.

Russia patiently put up with Ukraine messing with them for years... maybe a couple of decades. Then they acted and took the Black Sea Corridor, and Ukraine couldn't do anything about it.

Now that Ukraine is minus almost all her fighting age people, she still hasn't learned her lesson. If she keeps on messing with Russia, she will simply be wiped out.

There are a bunch of peaceful Ukrainians who fled the war, who will gladly come back when Russia takes over. All the Ukraine and the US and Nato are doing is expanding Russian territory.

Edited to add: The following facilities in Moscow Oblast have been hit by drones: Moscow Oil Refinery, Konakovo Thermal Powerplant and Volodarskaya fuel depot.


Any of the above, depending on what suits his narrative.


Now Ukraine has a buffer zone for Sumi and Ruzzia has a growing problem. The offensive is slower, but it has not stopped at all, there are villages and small towns taken daily.

Strategically. the front line length has not changed, so they can work with the same number of troops but have more territory... let's name it "Northern Ukraine", Kursk is the past.

Putin has two options: trade it - unlikely because he still thinks he should always get the best part in deals - or, that is my guess, spend 11 to 18 months re-taking Northern Ukraine (previously known as Kursk). My guess, this is likely to prolong the war for another year at least, but this time Ruzzia will be bombing inside their (former) territory and will have to evacuate or kill their own (former) citizens.

BTW it seems that Chinese companies are taking secondary sanctions quite seriously. Expect much much less collaboration from their side, at any price. Mongolia has also said no to allowing an oleoduct through her territory.


1. So, if you can see that they are given just enough and everyone out there can see that they could be given enough, why do you think they are given just (less) that just enough? Do you think someone.. I don't know... for some reason, is happy to see Ruzzia using up the stocks?

2. Your theory about jews occupying Ukraine leaves me wondering... why would they? Jews can live anywhere and hold plenty of power everywhere that matters.

3. I think you can say nearly anything in here. Just ask BADecker if you want to know more about how to abuse the system, oh, and do not complain if the moderator tells you to send this to "Meta".

To what matters: Ukraine is ready to deploy more troops in the Donbas. Ruzzia however is trying to follow the maxim "if you ignore a problem it will solve by itself" in Kursk... however it does not seem to be going away, but growing every day. I would not be surprised if Ukraine gains another 1000 km2 in the next month south of the Seim.

If this conflict is a subject of continuous attention to someone (as it has been for me for some reason), it's pretty hard not to notice a pattern; namely that every bit of 'help' that the 'collective West' has blesses the actual people of Ukraine with has resulted in evacuation of the native population from the country.  Sometimes through immigration to other regions, and often enough through fatalities.  'Death by Russian'.  The 'Ukrainians' were at every stage given just enough to fight, but never enough to win, and the decisions of 'their' leadership have compounded their mortality and other woes exponentially.

If the conflict is in even some small sense about clearing out the land for a new group, it would be a small number of individuals from a small number of sects who would be 'read-in' and actively working toward that goal.  Most 'Jews' would be as clueless about it as anyone; even those who were performing adequately certain elements of 'the plan.'  In point of fact (so I see evidence of) some of the more fundamentalist groups of the Jews were actively immigrating 'back' to Ukraine from Israel in anticipation of an event well before shooting started, but probably in such low numbers that it _could_ be explained by simple background noise.

The real tell here is that there is active censorship right here on this laudably censorship-free forum of this whole avenue of exploration by a moderator who clearly has an unusual amount of interest in arcane subjects such as 'blood libel' and that sort of thing.  It's perfectly reasonable to question whether the 'moderation' is being done by someone who has some perceived 'skin in the game.'  Observations of censorship are, to me, relatively strong evidence that there is a 'there there' when it comes to tamping down on an exploration of a plan involving some flavor of genocide.

Do you mean absurd like the number is way too big (or little)?

Or do you mean that it is absurd that it happened?

Or something else?

Number of dead Ukrainians is so absurd that I'll start to believe
in those "they're building Khazaria" stories

The Ukrainian Armed Forces operation in Kursk Oblast was very well organized and is an undoubted tactical success for Ukraine. But strategically, it is a failure. After several days of rapid advancement, the front line stabilized, and now what? I think Syrsky will soon be fired, as the commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian Air Force was recently fired after the F16 was defeated by friendly fire.

Well, the land in Kursk has been x100 easier to take for Ukraine. Do I need to explain that the losses were minimal, the number of soldiers captured large, that there are more than 1000 km2 taken in a couple of weeks? And make no mistake, Ukraine is very active there still, but the command is just not publishing anything at all.

It has taken thousands of dead soldiers, 11 months and innumerable resources for Ruzzia to take a similar chunk of Donbas. I am not ignoring that Ruzzia got land in there - shattered, mined and ruined land - I am just saying that Ukraine took, and is still taking, a chunk of Kurst at much less cost. You do not get points for effort on this, if you want Kursk back, then you will have to keep the war going for another year and hope your economy and society holds or... give back part of what you took.

Ukrainian ballistic missiles are a possibility, it is largely irrelevant if you try to ridicule the idea, they will come. Re scale, Ukraine does not need to massively bomb shopping centres or schools like Ruzzia has done, just a few precision strikes where it hurts and Ruzzia will be bleeding money and planes. To be honest, Ruzzia does no longer have non-nuclear missiles "at scale".

 I mean, the base technology of a ballistic missile is from the 1940's, it practically taught in any engineering institute o and you do not need anything really sophisticated to hit stuff... even a 100k drone can destroy a landing ship or a few destroy an billion oil facility or blow up a few su-34s...  WTF, I am going right now to the garden to build my own 

https://youtu.be/KoqgiMBA4IY?t=696

A certain Anastasia Kashevarova (propagandist of Russia) here I gave out the truth about the Russian army and about the government, I advise you to familiarize yourself. Apparently there will be something inside.

I guess we can totally ignore the strategic value of the lost land in Donbas and the consequence that it should lead to in the near future. Also, outside the PR benefits can you explain how holding land in Kursk would be 10x easier militarily than in other parts  

Right, Ukrainian ballistic missiles are coming in scale real soon, right after they test them on a mission to Alpha Centauri. Plus it won't change anything, ATACMS have a max range of 300km and their production is very limited,  RU will just adapt and use airfields beyond that range, guess UA will have to ask for ICBMs next.

It is simple, you can capture settlements and land in Kursk for "x", if you want to gain or hold that in other parts is "10 x ".

I am not interested in you views about glide bombs and I am not going to bother on the numbers you have given nor comparing it with HIMARs, a completely different animal nor go over the Ukrainians use of the french equivalents. It is a problem for Ukraine, like drones hitting oil depots and other targets on a daily basis is for Ruzzia. Perhaps the only worth note is that throwing a glide bomb is much more expensive than just the bomb.

Boris is a private citizen AFAIK and is not even in the current  governing party in the UK. His influence in Europe and UK is not much at the moment.

The reason why US does not escalate is so that Ruzzia does not escalate. However Ukraine is absolutely ok with using anything they can invent and produce to maximum effect. And they do. I guess that if Ruzzia can use "western components" - while promoting hate to "the West" - Ukraine can do the same. You are free to suspect stuff, as you usually do, but try to differentiate between what you "think" versus what is actually there in all evidence.

To attack you preferably need 3:1 advantage. If UA sent 20k troops that would mean RU would need to send about 60k to push them out fast. Or they could just scrape 20k from conscripts and troops from outside of UA, to just contain and hold the line while bombing them and continuing to push in Donbas only now with 20k less UA troops. We can all see what RU chose. This clearly didn't go according to UA's plan thus why now UA issued a request for international assistance via NATO’s emergency response mechanism and why US holds firm against Ukraine using American weapons to strike deep inside Russia despite Ukrainian Defense Minister, Rustem Umerov, and Andriy Yermak, the head of the Office of the President of Ukraine, arrived with a list of Russian targets that Kyiv believes it could strike using U.S. weapons if given permission. But escalations for Biden now would mean a guaranteed loss to Harris, so democrats just need Ukraine to sit quiet and don't make a lot of noise now.

As far as glide bombs, can you name another RU weapon that caused more damage in UA outside of artillery? Hard to reinforce positions against 3-ton bombs gliding to your coordinates. It's like HIMARS for UA only much more destructible and on a much larger scale (100s/day and growing).

I'm only aware of reports of Boris torpedoing UA/RU negotiations, have you heard of other UK's PMs doing it too?

Ukraine producing ballistic missiles at scale while not being able to keep their lights on against RU missiles is pretty funny. Best case they can hope for is to cross out ATACMS and slap "totally made in Ukraine" stickers on couple of US missiles per month in Poland.

On the economy, sure it's not a viable long term solution, but it worked for almost 3yrs now, and i see no reason why they can't keep it going for at least 2yr+ more.

Awwww... Somebody must feel just terrible about this.


Friendly Fire Fiasco: Ukrainian Army Shoots Down Its Own F16 Jet, Pilot Killed

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/first-us-made-f16-jet-downed-ukraine-during-combat-pilot-killed
"According to my information, the F-16 of the Ukrainian pilot Alexey 'Moonfish' Mes was shot down by the Patriot anti-aircraft missile system due to a lack of coordination between the [military] units," she wrote on Telegram.

The lawmaker criticized the Air Force of the Ukrainian Armed Forces for falsely describing the incident as "a crash."

"The culture of lies in the Air Force Command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as well as in other higher military headquarters, leads to the fact that the system of managing military decisions does not improve on the basis of truthful, consistently collected analytics, but deteriorates and even collapses, as is happening in the other directions," she wrote.

In her words, none of the generals was punished over the incident that led to the loss of both the aircraft and its pilot.

Earlier, an unidentified US official told the Wall Street Journal that Ukraine had lost a donated F-16 fighter jet in the first such case. According to the official, the jet was not shot down, and the crash was likely due to pilot error. Later, the Ukrainian Air Force confirmed the death of a Ukrainian F-16 pilot, Alexey Mes. The man was trained to fly F-16, according to CNN. The General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces said the pilot was killed in an aerial fight, when his plane crashed on August 26.

US and Ukrainian officials have revealed to The Wall Street Journal that a F-16 fighter jet has crashed during combat in Ukraine's skies - a significant first - which comes just weeks after an initial batch of some one dozen of the American-made aircraft were transferred to Kiev's armed forces.

"The pilot, Oleksiy Mes, died while helping to repel a massive Russian missile attack on Monday, the officials said," WSJ writes. "Initial reports indicate the jet wasn't shot down by enemy fire, U.S. officials said."
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Ukraine has liberated more Ruzzian land in the last couple of weeks than Ruzzia occupied in Ukraine in the last 3 months, and as of now there is a large pocket that may be soon liberated. It has diverted troops from Ruzzia -as there were only conscripts and tik-tokers there, but Ruzzia has decided to laregly sacrifice a chunk of Kursk to keep the two main vectors in Donbas. It does not look like a wise decision trade more for less.



The attack on "all fronts" - except Kursk   - has been a constant during nearly all the war, nothing new. In fact as of now there are more less active areas, even inactive in some sections than ever in the last two years. You have to look at all the map, not the bit you like. Ruzzia has enough to keep 3, sometimes only 2, main vectors in the Donbas: around Vulhedar, Prokrovsk and little else.

It is foolish to think there is no plan or response, Ukraine is well away from running out of resources.


You are aware that three prime ministers have been there after Boris, don't you??? You are one with fixations are you not?

Glide bombs have been a problem for Ukraine and it makes defence more difficult. But they are a problem, not a wonder weapon.

The Kursk invasion is progressing at a much slower pace, but there are several vectors still well active and mid-sized localities are still being encircled and captured due to the lack of defensive positions for Ruzzia. When you bite more that you can digest you get backslash, you can ask Ruzzia in Kherson for details on how that works. The area south of the Seim is very promising in terms of putting Ruzzian troops in a very dire strait. I would not be surprised if Ukraine can pull a "gesture of goodwill" inside this Ruzzian territory.

Ukraine has been asking to allow the use of ballistic missiles inside Ruzzia since they got them. Seems like Ukraine has developed (or is about to develop) their own, which means that they many not need permission in the mid-term. Another good argument at any negotiation table.

My guess is that they would not use them on Moscow, but may certainly pay back on the Ruzzian electrical grid, just to get even Steven, and on a few military production facilities too.

Ruzzias economy has 18% interest rates. This is near a shitcoin level. Using your own source:


First thing to note, this is based on Ruzzian official information.  This is the clear sign of someone selling the furniture to buy bread.


And here is it: people are working on a non-economically productive war. If you grow at 4% and your wages grow at 15%, you have a certain problem - and it shows in the 18% rate for the rouble.

Russia's soldiers are not unlimited, this will show itself in the future. A couple of Ukrainian brigades seem to be preparing for Donbass, so the enemy will be stopped.

The Ukrainian problem is much larger than the environs of Pokrovsk. Russia's current strategy seems to be to attack in all directions across the entire width of the front, avoiding excessive efforts in areas with strong resistance. And this strategy is successful because Russia has a noticeable numerical advantage, while Ukraine is uselessly burning up its reserves trying to hold a bridgehead in the Kursk region.

Russia launched a diversionary strike in the Kharkov direction to draw the enemy's resources away from the Donbas - and it worked. Ukraine launched a mirror-symmetrical response in the Kursk region to draw the enemy's resources away from the Donbas - and it didn't work.

We need to do something near Pokrovsk, the front is collapsing. Yesterday, the commander of some Azov unit said that everything is falling apart and not as beautiful as the authorities say. If this goes on, the city will be taken without a fight.

Ukraine is getting over 100 glide bombs thrown at them every single day, not much trenches can do when Russia is moving only one km/day like that. Like you previously said it was either loose slowly or try something radical. Boris somehow once again managed to convince Zelenskiy to attack instead of negotiating and saving lives. Selling point was that i'd be impossible for Putin to let the insult go unavenged, well then i guess the impossible happened


The terrible part is that now after they didn't get the expected results, they're trying to double down and get US to let them use missiles to attack Moscow Kyiv wants to launch Anglo-French Storm Shadow missiles at Russia’s heartlands as ‘demonstration’ attacks Luckily Biden has only few months left and can't really escalate now for the fear of reinforcing Trumps narrative that he's the only one that can prevent WW3.

Edit: As far as economic pain Russian economy shows solid growth despite Ukraine war sanctions. The Russian economy has shown solid growth in many sectors while unemployment remains at a record low, new data showed on Wednesday, prompting officials to hint at a brighter outlook for the year despite Western sanctions over the war in Ukraine.

Prokhorov's is getting ugly to be honest. Everyone is wondering where does the Ukrainian command intend to put a more solid defence and I am struggling to understand why the F*** they are not building a proper trench system. Trenches if unmanned do not stop shit, but it is far easier to defend. To give proper credit, it is the first thing the Ruzzians did in Kursk, well away from the front - a different thing is if they are going to find operatives that will not run when attacked, but at least they dig-in.

I have heard some people speaking of an adaptive defence that sacrifices land to create more losses to the enemy. This might be intentional - Ukraine in Prokovsk - along with Kursk to try force a new mobilisation in Ruzzia that may be just too much. Syrskyi is not stupid and understands the Ruzzian style of war perfectly, there may be more that it meets the eye on this.

Overall, I think the Kursk offensive was a good idea. It buys cheap land where it can be bought. Achieving a similar territorial advance not to mention the prisoners captured takes months and thousand of dead anywhere else in the front. It is a trade card.

What Ukraine is doing well is causing economic pain. If the new ballistic missile - home grown = can be used it will cause even more economic pain and much closer to places that actually matter for Putin's regime. It will not win the war on its own, but it will give a very good incentive in a negotiating table.

btw, today another massive oil facility has been hit. We could bet for how many days is this one going to burn.



I still see a 2025 of fight, and I wish I am wrong.


Crashed, not taken down, it is written right there in big letters at the top - but I guess you are interpreting to fit your own narrative.

 I do not know what is worse, but crashed. Bad for the pilot, but the good thing about the f16.. there must be thousands out there gathering dust. It is like Bradleys... so many many many.  However, you also should look at the number of interceptions, that may give you a clue of how intensively the f16 are helping stopping cruise missiles and drones.