Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 30. (Read 77997 times)

oh... well the thing about dictatorships is that usually there is only one way of changing the government (not always, but mostly) which is removing physically the government. Ukraine can possibly change the government without having to decapitate anyone - although there are not elections in war period, there will eventually be.

But I do not think you really disagree with what I said about Putin.

As I hypothesized probably a year ago on this thread, the escalation path would involve Russia taking out satellites.  And for very valid reasons if NATO enters the war directly using long range precision weapons which rely on satellite and other communications technology in order to operate:

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/15Jz6vvep32N

While it is possible to target satellites individually via kinetic and other means, it seems that nukes in space would be the only practical way for Russia to solve their immediate issues.  It would also go over better among the world's populations than hitting land targets.  Most of the world's population won't miss their Starlink since they never had it.  The collateral (and self) damage would be enormous.  But... what would the recovery look like in the coming years with the West in a largely self-inflicted failure state and Russia/China seemingly firing on all cylinders?

It's interesting that if you replace Putin with Zelensky in your speech, it will even make more sense.

Right, so your best argument is now to make shit up and claim I did it.

Ukrainians obviously want to negotiate very much but now will not do so because suchmoon on Bitcointalk pushed them not to. What a fantastic world you live in.

This is and has always been about encroachment on the spheres of influence and not territory. Russia wanted Ukrainian territory under Yanukovych (before the cookies arrived in 2014) just as much as it wants Belarusian territory under Lukashenko now or US wants territory in London. NATO in Ukraine is an existential threat for Russia. If that is to happen, not sure about Putin's physical survival, but it would lead to collapse of the whole Russia, chaos, revolutions etc... Exactly the reason why Russia and China cannot allow that to happen.

Yes I'm saying that Ukraine's negotiation position after the winter would be much worse relative to what it is now. And i don't see anyone even talking about some miracle UA winter offensive that could possibly improve UA's situation on the front lines. All we're getting now is let's get approvals to shoot some missiles at Moscow, that'll surely make Russia give up (the country that completely burned down Moscow to the ground themselves just to not give it to Napoleon). Pushing the nation to suffer through the winter with the only real hope for Putin's untimely death, makes as much sense as militarily opening a new front when your opponent outnumbers you in manpower, artillery, bombs, and missiles. The end result will surprise no one.

^^ Better or worse are relative terms. Putin is emotionally and politically invested in this war. He may not physically survive anything that looks other than a clear victory in terms of territory (Ruzzia has already lost the war in any other aspect).

Will Ruzzia produce another dictator? Looks very likely. Will whoever takes Putin's place how risky is for his (or her) health to be involved in such a dynamic and random situation?... perhaps.


There is a Ruzzian counter-attack, as it was expected and as of today, there are news of Ukraine doing a manoeuvres warfare to counter the counter and encircle troops. Nothing is quite clear in terms of advances and I am missing my most trusted source update since 2 days ago. It is a changing situation with Ruzzian bloggers claiming and other sources not agreeing.

Yes, there is fight, Ruzzia apparently has taken troops from Belgorod and now they are paranoid about Ukraine attacking in Belgorod.

Cut from Trump vice president candidate interview:

"That's a tough question. I think some people have convinced themselves that this is the great humanitarian mission of our time. That's what's driving some of these people. I think that's false and wrong, though. I think some people have convinced themselves that this is a war of good against evil. Russia is evil, Ukraine is good. And once you get into that fairy tale thinking, you can justify a lot of stupid actions and a lot of stupid decisions. The truth is, the Russians shouldn't have invaded. But the Ukrainians have a lot of corruption problems, too. So it's a little more complicated. And unfortunately, we don't have an American leader who's willing to understand what's really going on there. I think some people are going to get rich off this war. It's Black Rock and some of these big financial institutions that are talking about spending hundreds of billions of dollars to rebuild Ukraine. We know that defense contractor stock prices have skyrocketed since this started. war in Ukraine. So it's a complex mixture.

The West took advantage of the collapse of the Soviet Union and Ukrainian nationalism to take over Ukraine. And the West succeeded. If the US and Europe had not started to tear Ukraine away from Russia, to make Ukraine an enemy of Russia and to build their own bridgehead for war against Russia in Ukraine, then Russia would have simply come to terms with it. But Russia could not come to terms with the threat to itself from the territory of Ukraine. Russia can eliminate this threat only by eliminating Ukraine. All other options lead to the continuation of the war.
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It's worse than that; they are being squeezed into Russia.  In other words, cut into groups and, trapped, and surrounded.  That's why the videos of big groups of them abandoning their NATO kit and wounded comrades and running South like their lived depended on it.

Probably they even dumped the bags full of gold teeth they looted from the civilians because it's a bad look when they end up as POWs.

No, just the latest rumor you're spreading to push Ukrainians not to negotiate and to suffer through another winter, only to come out with a worse negotiation position after the winter, or just a complete collapse in UA. To the last Ukrainian, right? 

Wait, is Putin dead already? I might have missed this. Who's the new tater?

Ah and there we have it, exactly what i was waiting for. Thank you for confirming that we're not just talking about some change in Russia's leadership here, but a complete chaos and another revolution in Russia. And you really bought into that being a "realistic scenario"? Well, sorry to tell you but as you can see it didn't happen, and doesn't look like Russians or Chinese or BRICS really want that to happen. Unbelievable that Ukrainian leadership accepted Nuland's cookies and agreed to spearhead such effort, which Ukrainian citizens are paying dearly for now. If Zelenskyy doesn't negotiate now and will force Ukrainians into this winter selling this hopium of Russia's collapse just because of some ATACMS hitting Russia, polls indicating that we just might see chaos and revolution, but not in Russia. There are no more free escalations here, there's a cost to everything

I'm sure I could find some "western" media sources to contradict your cherries, shit, I could probably find Russian sources for that. Except that doesn't really matter for you, does it?

Here's the reality though. Just within the last year Putin had to kill at least two high-profile opponents, one who had tanks, and one who was rotting in prison seemingly harmless. The gnome is beyond paranoid and doesn't appear to have an actual successor. If he croaks there will be chaos. You seem to have a lot of faith that the war will continue as if nothing happened, even though history, including Russia's own history (e.g. the Afghanistan clusterfuck or Lenin's "revolution") seems to indicate that wars tend to lose priority in case of internal chaos and/or struggle for power.

But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're young enough to not know any better... happens when a penis potato stays in power for 20+ years.

Did you expect something else?

I don't understand, are Ukrainians being squeezed out of the Kursk region?

Victoria Nuland admits Ukraine and Russia were to sign peace deal, but West prevented it

https://unherd.com/newsroom/victoria-nuland-west-advised-ukraine-to-reject-2022-peace-deal/

You're either delusional, in denial or just propagandist. If it's one of the first two I suggest you educate yourself. Here's some reading from a US think tank Stimson Center to start you off on


All Ukraine has left to hope for is to politically destabilize Russia, and despite your attempts I just don't see any evidence of that happening. There were already explosions in Moscow before, and even Kremlin was hit with a drone, and no one really cared much. Kursk brought some political pressure on Putin but he just brushed it off. Now as we discussed, instead of capturing everything under Seim river, it's turning out the way everyone expected, Ukraine just opened a new front for itself on Russia's land where Russia can use conscripts, results will surprise no one.


Kursk August20 - September11

UA is already guaranteed to have some blackouts during the winter and that's if Russia doesn't hit anymore power plants from now on. It's projected to be the 'Hardest' Winter Yet for Ukraine, and it's about to loose Pokrovsk. EU is bracing for new wave of UA migrants due to blackouts during this winter. And both ultra right and ultra left, who are gaining in Germany, oppose sending military aid to Ukraine. Not to mention Trump etc etc etc... Cheering UA to go into the winter like this is just calling for the additional useless suffering. I don't see any experts even claiming that UA can come out of this winter in a stronger position than it is in now. Zelenskyy is all in on this, he cornered himself in and he cannot back down but others should really not enable this whole no negotiations until we're back to 1991 borders suicidal madness. Negotiating now can just bring us to status quo of 2013, alternatives to negotiating now will not improve UA's position during the winter and can turn truly catastrophic for UA.

Of course Putin's peace plan of an Ukraine surrender is not practical. Ukraine won't do it. Soon they won't exist to surrender or not surrender. So, what's the difference?

^^Agree, Putin's peace plan is a surrender of Ukraine and that is not a realistic option even opening the scenarios to rare events.

Meanwhile, Ukraine understood that is a good moment to strike Moscow and the nearby infrastructure. Airports and power facilities have been hit by drones with a degree of success. If you ask me, hitting Moscow is linked to the issue of Putin being an obstacle to end the war. I think Ruzzians can keep going about the war and Putin's government despite a cracking economy or even if Ukraine invades Kursk. I am not so sure that frequent attacks in sensible parts of the Moscow infrastructure can be overlooked in the same manner.

BTW word is that ATACAMS can now be used against military targets inside Ruzzia. Why not... drones are already doing it.

Ruzzia has started to counter-attack in Kursk - it took a while but it seems that Ruzzia finally figured out they had to do something. Better to have Ruzzia bombing Ruzzia in any case.

The context was "realistic scenario". Your wet dreams about an even more deranged KGBist taking over after Putin don't count.

This is Putin's war. It's useless to most Russians, oligarchs and ordinary alcoholics alike. No, Putin's death doesn't guarantee the war would end, but Putin staying in power guarantees the war will not end (even if Ukraine makes some concessions for some hypothetical peace deal). All other things being equal, Putin's death (whether of natural causes or perhaps suicide in a bunker if the war continues to defy his dreams) is a more realistic chance, small as it may be, at long-term peace, compared to the Z-tarded fantasies of Ukraine just giving up and disappearing off the map.

That's just not true there were many articles analyzing successors in case of Putin's sudden demise and majority concluded that successor would be worse off for Ukraine, some military general or Medvedev. But that just doesn't fit into the narrative of Putin being this madman and a single cause of this conflict, so the hopium that Russia would just fold and run away if Putin dies continues to be spread by propagandists.
If Putin is Overthrown, These Five People Could Replace Him -2022 Newsweek

US accuses China of giving ‘very substantial’ help to Russia’s war machine...Now Washington is unambiguously saying that China is aiding the Russian military.
It's like they don't want freedom cookies and NATO showing up in their sphere of influence, and are challenging the current world order. But that would mean that Ukraine is just a proxy and a collateral damage in this global conflict. I mean yes yes all just one evil madman Putin blah blah blah