Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 31. (Read 75389 times)

Quote from: Darkesthourred on August 29, 2024, 02:00:19 AM

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This one deserves an special mention to be honest, I just did not have the time. would you like to have tea, window? would you like some Novichok or Polonium with it?

And you of all people dare to speak about detaining people. btw Pavel is a French citizen, so he accepted to be subject to French law, which, like most countries, takes seriously when someone looks like collaborating with a hostile nation. The question is how far has that collaboration gone - guarantee free speech or actually handing over information to the FSB.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_notable_Russians_(2022–2024)

Please, find here the list of 44 notable Ruzzian business or other leaders that ~~have been killed~~ died in mysterious circumstances after challenging you know who.

"collaborating with a hostile nation" hard to make that into more of a political arrest, having little to do with the actual charges brought up against him. So much for an independent judicial system.

I will translate it for you: Espionage - a crime in any and all nations, AKA treason if you are a citizen. I am not sure why France and why now, they may have information I do not have (I mean, I am sure they do). But if you want to dig into the topic of political prisoners... I mean, are you sure you want to discuss it??

Now to some topics of interest today:

- It took 15 years to build the depots at Novoprokovsk, it has now been burning for 8 days. Literally burning Ruzzian money.
- A power plant south of Moscow is burning - reason unknown.
- Ukraine has presented a ballistic missile, nationally produced, that claims to have range to reach Moscow & St Petesbourgh. If true, no need to ask for permission from the US any longer. This came out in the long interview with Zelensky.
- There are some information pointing at the F-16 in Ukraine claiming some kills - but it is just cruise missiles.
- The Ruzzian offensive in the donbas continues, it seems that allocating troops to Kursk is not a priority... so Kursk is on its way to become "The Republic of Northern Ukraine".

Then shouldn't he be charged with treason and proven guilty in the court of law, or is that not being done anymore and instead they just throw some made up charges at him?

Edit: And now France releasing traitors on bail? Can you translate this too please Grin

He is getting all his rights, he has been accused, detained, faced a judge and considered that the risk of flight is sufficiently covered by a tiny 5M bail - I do not know why the judge has made that decision but usually it means that he does not see risk of flight.

Eventually either the charges are dropped or he will get sentenced after a trial in which evidence would need to be presented.. or he may walk. This is a text-book process in formal terms, there is nothing wrong with it. There rest is as usual you confusing your thinking with things that actually happen.

So...

1. at the same time you argue that he should be judged, but not set free by a judge on bail? You have stopped to make sense, do you realise it?
2. You are willing to discuss this, but not Navalny... nor people arrested for holding a blank piecce of paper? Or the many generals accused of corruption in a country where every general is corrupt?

"collaborating with a hostile nation. The question is how far has that collaboration gone"
Durov gets charged with complicity in the distribution of child sex abuse images, aiding organized crime and refusing lawful orders to give information to law enforcement. and released on bail. Which charge sounds like collaboration with a hostile nation and treason to you exactly? How many people do you know that are accused of treason given a tiny bail and not seen as a risk of flight? I'm just underlining your hypocrisy and your need to defend everything that's done by the west. It's as if you're unable to admit that a western countries are putting pressure on the freedoms of their citizens. As to your whataboutism, do you apply the same expectations of freedom on "west" as you do on Russia?

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Quote from: BADecker on August 28, 2024, 04:46:20 PM

^^^ Thank you, paxmao. You are continually showing us how patient Russia is against people who harm them.

Consider. Ukraine was killing peaceful Russians in the Donbas area since before 2014... including incursions into Russia itself. But the peacefulness and patience of Russia caused them to try every method outside of an actual forceful policing of Ukraine insurgency to stop Ukraine's viciousness. But it didn't work. So the 2022 police action into Ukraine.

BTW, Putin did it all legally through the UN with UN paperwork. You really need to look and see who the bad guys are in this whole war.

Cool

Putin violated the Minsk agreement, he sent equipment silently to Donbass to be banned, but he was noticed. So Russia is to blame for starting all this and not playing fair.

The Minsk Agreement had already been violated by Ukraine, influenced by the US. It was no longer in effect because of this. So, Putin merely took advantage of the situation.

I will concede that Minsk violations are a complex issue. If we want to know who was first in breaking it, we will need to do a lot of studying of history. Which historian can we believe?

Cool

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Quote from: paxmao on August 29, 2024, 10:43:05 AM

1. at the same time you argue that he should be judged, but not set free by a judge on bail? You have stopped to make sense, do you realise it?
2. You are willing to discuss this, but not Navalny... nor people arrested for holding a blank piecce of paper? Or the many generals accused of corruption in a country where every general is corrupt?

Due process in France (shooters are policemen, for those not knowing about Mesrine case):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh1gxBlWpK0

Meanwhile, first F16 already down

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/38166

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Quote from: DaRude on August 28, 2024, 11:07:19 PM

Quote from: paxmao on August 28, 2024, 04:29:16 PM

Quote from: BADecker on August 28, 2024, 04:46:20 PM

[...]

This one deserves an special mention to be honest, I just did not have the time. would you like to have tea, window? would you like some Novichok or Polonium with it?

And you of all people dare to speak about detaining people. btw Pavel is a French citizen, so he accepted to be subject to French law, which, like most countries, takes seriously when someone looks like collaborating with a hostile nation. The question is how far has that collaboration gone - guarantee free speech or actually handing over information to the FSB.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_notable_Russians_(2022–2024)

Please, find here the list of 44 notable Ruzzian business or other leaders that ~~have been killed~~ died in mysterious circumstances after challenging you know who.

"collaborating with a hostile nation" hard to make that into more of a political arrest, having little to do with the actual charges brought up against him. So much for an independent judicial system.

I will translate it for you: Espionage - a crime in any and all nations, AKA treason if you are a citizen. I am not sure why France and why now, they may have information I do not have (I mean, I am sure they do). But if you want to dig into the topic of political prisoners... I mean, are you sure you want to discuss it??

Now to some topics of interest today:

- It took 15 years to build the depots at Novoprokovsk, it has now been burning for 8 days. Literally burning Ruzzian money.
- A power plant south of Moscow is burning - reason unknown.
- Ukraine has presented a ballistic missile, nationally produced, that claims to have range to reach Moscow & St Petesbourgh. If true, no need to ask for permission from the US any longer. This came out in the long interview with Zelensky.
- There are some information pointing at the F-16 in Ukraine claiming some kills - but it is just cruise missiles.
- The Ruzzian offensive in the donbas continues, it seems that allocating troops to Kursk is not a priority... so Kursk is on its way to become "The Republic of Northern Ukraine".

Then shouldn't he be charged with treason and proven guilty in the court of law, or is that not being done anymore and instead they just throw some made up charges at him?

Edit: And now France releasing traitors on bail? Can you translate this too please Grin

He is getting all his rights, he has been accused, detained, faced a judge and considered that the risk of flight is sufficiently covered by a tiny 5M bail - I do not know why the judge has made that decision but usually it means that he does not see risk of flight.

Eventually either the charges are dropped or he will get sentenced after a trial in which evidence would need to be presented.. or he may walk. This is a text-book process in formal terms, there is nothing wrong with it. There rest is as usual you confusing your thinking with things that actually happen.

So...

1. at the same time you argue that he should be judged, but not set free by a judge on bail? You have stopped to make sense, do you realise it?
2. You are willing to discuss this, but not Navalny... nor people arrested for holding a blank piecce of paper? Or the many generals accused of corruption in a country where every general is corrupt?

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Is Ukraine's new ballistic missile, a miracle weapon, surprising? If it goes into the series, then it turns out to be a formidable weapon.

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^^^ Thank you, paxmao. You are continually showing us how patient Russia is against people who harm them.

Consider. Ukraine was killing peaceful Russians in the Donbas area since before 2014... including incursions into Russia itself. But the peacefulness and patience of Russia caused them to try every method outside of an actual forceful policing of Ukraine insurgency to stop Ukraine's viciousness. But it didn't work. So the 2022 police action into Ukraine.

BTW, Putin did it all legally through the UN with UN paperwork. You really need to look and see who the bad guys are in this whole war.

Cool

Putin violated the Minsk agreement, he sent equipment silently to Donbass to be banned, but he was noticed. So Russia is to blame for starting all this and not playing fair.

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Quote from: paxmao on August 28, 2024, 04:29:16 PM

Quote from: BADecker on August 28, 2024, 04:46:20 PM

[...]

This one deserves an special mention to be honest, I just did not have the time. would you like to have tea, window? would you like some Novichok or Polonium with it?

And you of all people dare to speak about detaining people. btw Pavel is a French citizen, so he accepted to be subject to French law, which, like most countries, takes seriously when someone looks like collaborating with a hostile nation. The question is how far has that collaboration gone - guarantee free speech or actually handing over information to the FSB.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_notable_Russians_(2022–2024)

Please, find here the list of 44 notable Ruzzian business or other leaders that ~~have been killed~~ died in mysterious circumstances after challenging you know who.

"collaborating with a hostile nation" hard to make that into more of a political arrest, having little to do with the actual charges brought up against him. So much for an independent judicial system.

I will translate it for you: Espionage - a crime in any and all nations, AKA treason if you are a citizen. I am not sure why France and why now, they may have information I do not have (I mean, I am sure they do). But if you want to dig into the topic of political prisoners... I mean, are you sure you want to discuss it??

Now to some topics of interest today:

- It took 15 years to build the depots at Novoprokovsk, it has now been burning for 8 days. Literally burning Ruzzian money.
- A power plant south of Moscow is burning - reason unknown.
- Ukraine has presented a ballistic missile, nationally produced, that claims to have range to reach Moscow & St Petesbourgh. If true, no need to ask for permission from the US any longer. This came out in the long interview with Zelensky.
- There are some information pointing at the F-16 in Ukraine claiming some kills - but it is just cruise missiles.
- The Ruzzian offensive in the donbas continues, it seems that allocating troops to Kursk is not a priority... so Kursk is on its way to become "The Republic of Northern Ukraine".

Then shouldn't he be charged with treason and proven guilty in the court of law, or is that not being done anymore and instead they just throw some made up charges at him?

Edit: And now France releasing traitors on bail? Can you translate this too please Grin

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^^^ Thank you, paxmao. You are continually showing us how patient Russia is against people who harm them.

Consider. Ukraine was killing peaceful Russians in the Donbas area since before 2014... including incursions into Russia itself. But the peacefulness and patience of Russia caused them to try every method outside of an actual forceful policing of Ukraine insurgency to stop Ukraine's viciousness. But it didn't work. So the 2022 police action into Ukraine.

BTW, Putin did it all legally through the UN with UN paperwork. You really need to look and see who the bad guys are in this whole war.

Cool

You are not Ukranian, you do not know anything other what your local methodist maga-integrist tells you when you pee together. Leave Ukraine alone.

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^^^ Thank you, paxmao. You are continually showing us how patient Russia is against people who harm them.

Consider. Ukraine was killing peaceful Russians in the Donbas area since before 2014... including incursions into Russia itself. But the peacefulness and patience of Russia caused them to try every method outside of an actual forceful policing of Ukraine insurgency to stop Ukraine's viciousness. But it didn't work. So the 2022 police action into Ukraine.

BTW, Putin did it all legally through the UN with UN paperwork. You really need to look and see who the bad guys are in this whole war.

Cool

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[...]

This one deserves an special mention to be honest, I just did not have the time. would you like to have tea, window? would you like some Novichok or Polonium with it?

And you of all people dare to speak about detaining people. btw Pavel is a French citizen, so he accepted to be subject to French law, which, like most countries, takes seriously when someone looks like collaborating with a hostile nation. The question is how far has that collaboration gone - guarantee free speech or actually handing over information to the FSB.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_notable_Russians_(2022–2024)

Please, find here the list of 44 notable Ruzzian business or other leaders that ~~have been killed~~ died in mysterious circumstances after challenging you know who.

"collaborating with a hostile nation" hard to make that into more of a political arrest, having little to do with the actual charges brought up against him. So much for an independent judicial system.

I will translate it for you: Espionage - a crime in any and all nations, AKA treason if you are a citizen. I am not sure why France and why now, they may have information I do not have (I mean, I am sure they do). But if you want to dig into the topic of political prisoners... I mean, are you sure you want to discuss it??

Now to some topics of interest today:

- It took 15 years to build the depots at Novoprokovsk, it has now been burning for 8 days. Literally burning Ruzzian money.
- A power plant south of Moscow is burning - reason unknown.
- Ukraine has presented a ballistic missile, nationally produced, that claims to have range to reach Moscow & St Petesbourgh. If true, no need to ask for permission from the US any longer. This came out in the long interview with Zelensky.
- There are some information pointing at the F-16 in Ukraine claiming some kills - but it is just cruise missiles.
- The Ruzzian offensive in the donbas continues, it seems that allocating troops to Kursk is not a priority... so Kursk is on its way to become "The Republic of Northern Ukraine".

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Quote from: Branko on August 28, 2024, 07:19:13 AM

[...]

This one deserves an special mention to be honest, I just did not have the time. would you like to have tea, window? would you like some Novichok or Polonium with it?

And you of all people dare to speak about detaining people. btw Pavel is a French citizen, so he accepted to be subject to French law, which, like most countries, takes seriously when someone looks like collaborating with a hostile nation. The question is how far has that collaboration gone - guarantee free speech or actually handing over information to the FSB.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_notable_Russians_(2022–2024)

Please, find here the list of 44 notable Ruzzian business or other leaders that ~~have been killed~~ died in mysterious circumstances after challenging you know who.

"collaborating with a hostile nation" hard to make that into more of a political arrest, having little to do with the actual charges brought up against him. So much for an independent judicial system.

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Meanwhile, women in Odessa trying to free their abducted relatives
from Ukrainian army:

https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/14987

They will go to meat grinder instead, and die in human wave charge
against Russians

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Quote from: paxmao on August 27, 2024, 06:16:39 PM

Call me crazy, but I am starting to see a pattern here...[/b]

So you support ALL separatists everywhere, except Russian ones in Donbas.
Call me crazy, but I am starting to see a pattern here

Is that pattern maybe fueled by this?

"Ukraine wants to receive 50 billion dollars from the G7 without conditions and for any purpose by the end of the year - Ukrainian Prime Minister Shmyhal.
Money Trail - Ukrainian debt is apparently becoming a lucrative and highly profitable asset for war profiteering speculators.
The British investment fund said that Western investors and funds are making significant profits from Ukrainian "junk" bonds.
For example bonds of "Naftogaz", "Ukrainian Railways" and "Metinvest" brought investors incomes of 73%, 52% and 19%, respectively.
According to the British fund, the high returns are the result of the fact that these debts are repaid with financial help from Europe, which, despite
their junk status, makes them very reliable and profitable. In essence, German taxpayers are funding aid to Ukraine, and that money
ends up in the hands of British funds that actually own Ukraine."

...any purpose...

https://www.bitchute.com/video/3otYawmS52tZ

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Quote from: paxmao on August 27, 2024, 06:16:39 PM

Call me crazy, but I am starting to see a pattern here...[/b]

So you support ALL separatists everywhere, except Russian ones in Donbas.
Call me crazy, but I am starting to see a pattern here

Is that pattern maybe fueled by this?

"Ukraine wants to receive 50 billion dollars from the G7 without conditions and for any purpose by the end of the year - Ukrainian Prime Minister Shmyhal.
Money Trail - Ukrainian debt is apparently becoming a lucrative and highly profitable asset for war profiteering speculators.
The British investment fund said that Western investors and funds are making significant profits from Ukrainian "junk" bonds.
For example bonds of "Naftogaz", "Ukrainian Railways" and "Metinvest" brought investors incomes of 73%, 52% and 19%, respectively.
According to the British fund, the high returns are the result of the fact that these debts are repaid with financial help from Europe, which, despite
their junk status, makes them very reliable and profitable. In essence, German taxpayers are funding aid to Ukraine, and that money
ends up in the hands of British funds that actually own Ukraine."

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[...]

This one deserves an special mention to be honest, I just did not have the time. would you like to have tea, window? would you like some Novichok or Polonium with it?

And you of all people dare to speak about detaining people. btw Pavel is a French citizen, so he accepted to be subject to French law, which, like most countries, takes seriously when someone looks like collaborating with a hostile nation. The question is how far has that collaboration gone - guarantee free speech or actually handing over information to the FSB.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_notable_Russians_(2022–2024)

Please, find here the list of 44 notable Ruzzian business or other leaders that ~~have been killed~~ died in mysterious circumstances after challenging you know who.

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How are you doing at the front? Has the Ukrainian offensive slowed down?

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Unconfirmed but likely, Ruzzia's largest refinery at Omsk has been seriously damaged. I will seek confirmation along the next few hours.

There are ongoing fights in Kursk, it seems Ukraine is managing to get a few settlements. I guess Branko will argue in the future that Ukraine attacked Ruzzia Tongue

The chosen Ruzzian tactic is quite interesting: They are ok loosing chunks of their territory as long as they can keep pushing in Prokovsk, Toresk and Chasiv Yar, inch by inch.