Ukraines perfect dream would be to recover absolutely everything, inclusive Crimea
HAHAHAHA 
Do you honestly believe this? I am asking without any sarcasm.
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Do you honestly believe this? I am asking without any sarcasm.
Putin is silent, all his lackeys are silent... It seems to me that something powerful is being prepared, maybe a nuclear weapon strike on its territory? After all, Putin definitely does not have the strength to recapture the earth.
Ukraine has blown up all the bridges along the river Sein in Kursk. There are thousand of Ruzzian soldiers and conscripts that are currently cut-off the supply routes. While they are not encircled as such, the supplies and the possibility of retreats are seriously diminished. This may have been a serious strategic error by Ruzzia, so ... awaiting further developments along the next couple of weeks.
Yes, time will tell of course if the special operation in Kursk to de-Putinify and create a buffer has been a good idea, this is just a first approach.
On regards to the rest if you own thinking mixed with some Kremlin propaganda and narratives and it is irrelevant for the analysis.
Ukraine may or may not be able to recover more ore less territory - who knows, there's even some Ruzzian with little sympathy for Ukraine saying that there is a planned operation in Crimea out there. But in any case it seems that for now Ukraine has been able to take territory, that the troops in are in numbers and strength that should be enough to defend it, but - and this is even if Ruzzia takes it back - there are Pows captured at large during the operation including some Ahmat and many Ruzzian conscripts that should have never been near a conflict zone - and those you won't take them back unless there's an exchage.
Yes. Only time will tell. Does the Kremlin use propaganda and not the US and UK media? If you think so, you are missing a whole bunch. Better to look at the overall picture yourself, which is...
Is it a fact that Ukraine has not been able to take back the Black Sea Corridor, or is such only a media lie?
Your lack of information is astonishing - I mean, for anyone who does not know you - Ukraine has been perfectly able to use the Black Sea corridor. It is probably one of those battles that are not mentioned as often because it cannot be mapped, but Ukraine has won the Battle of the Black sea. Ruzzia cannot use the port of Sebastopol - they have failed repeatedly to protect their ships in the port. The sea drones are an inmense risk to the point that the sea is effectively denied to Ruzzia.
They had to move most of the fleet well away from Sebastopol to Novorossiysk (and it is not fully safe there either), but not before loosing 5 landing ship, they flag ship Moscova, several other minor ships and a submarine that was under repair.
If I were a Ruzzian troll like you, I would choose some other topic.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/12/world/europe/ukraine-black-sea-grain-exports.html#:~:text=In%20the%20past%20six%20months,the%20Ukrainian%20Sea%20Ports%20Authority.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-61759692
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The Ukrainian move needs to be proven long-term correct before anyone can know it is correct.
I agree that an all-out win one way or the other is a silly thought. But that isn't what I said.
The war was provoked by Ukraine since before 2014. Then, when it hit them, they couldn't stop Russia from taking the Black Sea Corridor. All that Russia has been doing is sitting back and keeping what they took. Can Ukraine take it back? That's the question.
Ukraine is mobilizing the US and Nato, because there isn't any more Ukraine left to mobilize. Russia is mobilizing Russia, and making in-roads into mobilizing China, Iran, Africa and who-knows-who-else. Besides, Belarus is just sitting there waiting for somebody to make a serious move against Russia.
The US and Nato bit off more than they are willing to chew. It might be a long war, but Russia will come out victorious. They have essentially proven it already with the Black Sea Corridor.
I don't know the future any better than anyone else. The US might take back the Black Sea Corridor for Ukraine tomorrow. We'll just have to wait and see.
The Ukrainian move needs to be proven long-term correct before anyone can know it is correct.
I agree that an all-out win one way or the other is a silly thought. But that isn't what I said.
The war was provoked by Ukraine since before 2014. Then, when it hit them, they couldn't stop Russia from taking the Black Sea Corridor. All that Russia has been doing is sitting back and keeping what they took. Can Ukraine take it back? That's the question.
Ukraine is mobilizing the US and Nato, because there isn't any more Ukraine left to mobilize. Russia is mobilizing Russia, and making in-roads into mobilizing China, Iran, Africa and who-knows-who-else. Besides, Belarus is just sitting there waiting for somebody to make a serious move against Russia.
The US and Nato bit off more than they are willing to chew. It might be a long war, but Russia will come out victorious. They have essentially proven it already with the Black Sea Corridor.
I don't know the future any better than anyone else. The US might take back the Black Sea Corridor for Ukraine tomorrow. We'll just have to wait and see.
Yes, time will tell of course if the special operation in Kursk to de-Putinify and create a buffer has been a good idea, this is just a first approach.
On regards to the rest if you own thinking mixed with some Kremlin propaganda and narratives and it is irrelevant for the analysis.
Ukraine may or may not be able to recover more ore less territory - who knows, there's even some Ruzzian with little sympathy for Ukraine saying that there is a planned operation in Crimea out there. But in any case it seems that for now Ukraine has been able to take territory, that the troops in are in numbers and strength that should be enough to defend it, but - and this is even if Ruzzia takes it back - there are Pows captured at large during the operation including some Ahmat and many Ruzzian conscripts that should have never been near a conflict zone - and those you won't take them back unless there's an exchage.
Yes. Only time will tell. Does the Kremlin use propaganda and not the US and UK media? If you think so, you are missing a whole bunch. Better to look at the overall picture yourself, which is...
Is it a fact that Ukraine has not been able to take back the Black Sea Corridor, or is such only a media lie?
Your lack of information is astonishing - I mean, for anyone who does not know you - Ukraine has been perfectly able to use the Black Sea corridor. It is probably one of those battles that are not mentioned as often because it cannot be mapped, but Ukraine has won the Battle of the Black sea. Ruzzia cannot use the port of Sebastopol - they have failed repeatedly to protect their ships in the port. The sea drones are an inmense risk to the point that the sea is effectively denied to Ruzzia.
They had to move most of the fleet well away from Sebastopol to Novorossiysk (and it is not fully safe there either), but not before loosing 5 landing ship, they flag ship Moscova, several other minor ships and a submarine that was under repair.
If I were a Ruzzian troll like you, I would choose some other topic.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/12/world/europe/ukraine-black-sea-grain-exports.html#:~:text=In%20the%20past%20six%20months,the%20Ukrainian%20Sea%20Ports%20Authority.
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In the past six months, Ukraine has exported 27.6 million metric tons of grain and oilseed through the Black Sea, the country’s main export route, according to figures from the Ukrainian Sea Ports Authority. That is just 0.2 million metric tons short of the average export volume in the same period from 2018 to 2021, before Russia’s full-scale invasion began in February 2022.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-61759692
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Ukraine is exporting over five million tonnes of grain a month - much more than in the summer of 2023, when Russia pulled out of the Black Sea grain deal.
^^^ paxmao only cares about fighting. He doesn't care about Ukraine losses. He/she will be gone as soon as Ukraine falls. Gone without a tear shed.
Ukraine is at the end of its possible conscription, because it has used all its fighting troops up. Russia has almost 50-million left if you include women.
The Day Arrives: Putin Must Pull the Chain on Kyiv
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2024-08-20/day-arrives-putin-must-pull-chain-kyiv
It is time for Russia to fully mobilize against the nagging threat posed by the NATO-backed Ukrainian state. President Putin's pragmatic approach to keeping NATO off Russia's borders will undoubtedly be shifted given the recent Ukraine Army incursions at Kursk. Many of us suspected it would come to this. Russia must finally flush the Kyiv-NATO experiment down the tubes.
V.V. Putin and Job
Vladimir Putin is considered by most experts as the most sensible and realistic leader Russia has ever had. Furthermore, most honest experts consider him the only true statesman among a cadre of corporate-owned politicians in the Western world. However, pragmatic and logical actions do not exclude total war when a threat level reaches a threshold. And Washington playing coy about why Ukraine's forces hit the flanks of Russia's Karkov line and pushed across the border adds insult to injury. Injury to peace for all of Europe and the world.
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Ukraine is at the end of its possible conscription, because it has used all its fighting troops up. Russia has almost 50-million left if you include women.
The Day Arrives: Putin Must Pull the Chain on Kyiv
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2024-08-20/day-arrives-putin-must-pull-chain-kyiv
It is time for Russia to fully mobilize against the nagging threat posed by the NATO-backed Ukrainian state. President Putin's pragmatic approach to keeping NATO off Russia's borders will undoubtedly be shifted given the recent Ukraine Army incursions at Kursk. Many of us suspected it would come to this. Russia must finally flush the Kyiv-NATO experiment down the tubes.
V.V. Putin and Job
Vladimir Putin is considered by most experts as the most sensible and realistic leader Russia has ever had. Furthermore, most honest experts consider him the only true statesman among a cadre of corporate-owned politicians in the Western world. However, pragmatic and logical actions do not exclude total war when a threat level reaches a threshold. And Washington playing coy about why Ukraine's forces hit the flanks of Russia's Karkov line and pushed across the border adds insult to injury. Injury to peace for all of Europe and the world.
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There is no maximum nor minimum in a negotiation. There is only an army holding a territory, XYZ prisoners, XYZ possible agreements, etc...
Ukraines perfect dream would be to recover absolutely everything, inclusive Crimea, get a part of current Ruzzia as a buffer demilitarised zone, get Putin and most of his goverment to be judged at the Hague for crimes against humanity and get Ruzzian war reparations for everything they have destroyed, have Ruzzia demilitarised to the point it will never be able to attack again and hold free elections in Georgia, Bealoruzzia, ... Ukraine joining EU, NATO...
You see? There is no limit in which what you may want?
Meanwhile Ukraine advances nicely in Kursk and has a large chunk of the Ruzzian army in a very difficult situation - not complete encirclement, but in a dire situation for around 2000 Ruzzian troops.
LOL, copium. Ukrainians destroyed bridges in front of them, what army that is advancing does that?
Meanwhile, finally move by Ukrainians that I (as an atheist) approve:
https://x.com/Panchenko_X/status/1825947211341115710
How long will it take before Ukraine takes back the land it lost to Russia... which I have termed the Black Sea Corridor? Are they doing this? Can they do it? If they don't or can't, the whole Ukrainian game is stupid, and exists only going to kill off more of them.
Nope. the move is correct. The scenarios under consideration are not either Ruzzia conquers all Ukraine or Ukraine takes all Ruzzia. That is simple thing for simple minds. There are a large number of intermediate results of more or less land an cities, and sea right and prisoners are taken or traded... There are still many possible options including Ukraine holding more or less land and Ruzzia having more or less success.
The move in Kursk improves the position of Ukraine.
The Ukrainian move needs to be proven long-term correct before anyone can know it is correct.
I agree that an all-out win one way or the other is a silly thought. But that isn't what I said.
The war was provoked by Ukraine since before 2014. Then, when it hit them, they couldn't stop Russia from taking the Black Sea Corridor. All that Russia has been doing is sitting back and keeping what they took. Can Ukraine take it back? That's the question.
Ukraine is mobilizing the US and Nato, because there isn't any more Ukraine left to mobilize. Russia is mobilizing Russia, and making in-roads into mobilizing China, Iran, Africa and who-knows-who-else. Besides, Belarus is just sitting there waiting for somebody to make a serious move against Russia.
The US and Nato bit off more than they are willing to chew. It might be a long war, but Russia will come out victorious. They have essentially proven it already with the Black Sea Corridor.
I don't know the future any better than anyone else. The US might take back the Black Sea Corridor for Ukraine tomorrow. We'll just have to wait and see.
Yes, time will tell of course if the special operation in Kursk to de-Putinify and create a buffer has been a good idea, this is just a first approach.
On regards to the rest if you own thinking mixed with some Kremlin propaganda and narratives and it is irrelevant for the analysis.
Ukraine may or may not be able to recover more ore less territory - who knows, there's even some Ruzzian with little sympathy for Ukraine saying that there is a planned operation in Crimea out there. But in any case it seems that for now Ukraine has been able to take territory, that the troops in are in numbers and strength that should be enough to defend it, but - and this is even if Ruzzia takes it back - there are Pows captured at large during the operation including some Ahmat and many Ruzzian conscripts that should have never been near a conflict zone - and those you won't take them back unless there's an exchage.
But before the borders of 1991, Ukraine will not be able to return anything. The maximum is to return everything except Donbass and Crimea through negotiations.
There is no maximum nor minimum in a negotiation. There is only an army holding a territory, XYZ prisoners, XYZ possible agreements, etc...
Ukraines perfect dream would be to recover absolutely everything, inclusive Crimea, get a part of current Ruzzia as a buffer demilitarised zone, get Putin and most of his goverment to be judged at the Hague for crimes against humanity and get Ruzzian war reparations for everything they have destroyed, have Ruzzia demilitarised to the point it will never be able to attack again and hold free elections in Georgia, Bealoruzzia, ... Ukraine joining EU, NATO...
You see? There is no limit in which what you may want?
Meanwhile Ukraine advances nicely in Kursk and has a large chunk of the Ruzzian army in a very difficult situation - not complete encirclement, but in a dire situation for around 2000 Ruzzian troops.
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The Ukrainian move needs to be proven long-term correct before anyone can know it is correct.
I agree that an all-out win one way or the other is a silly thought. But that isn't what I said.
The war was provoked by Ukraine since before 2014. Then, when it hit them, they couldn't stop Russia from taking the Black Sea Corridor. All that Russia has been doing is sitting back and keeping what they took. Can Ukraine take it back? That's the question.
Ukraine is mobilizing the US and Nato, because there isn't any more Ukraine left to mobilize. Russia is mobilizing Russia, and making in-roads into mobilizing China, Iran, Africa and who-knows-who-else. Besides, Belarus is just sitting there waiting for somebody to make a serious move against Russia.
The US and Nato bit off more than they are willing to chew. It might be a long war, but Russia will come out victorious. They have essentially proven it already with the Black Sea Corridor.
I don't know the future any better than anyone else. The US might take back the Black Sea Corridor for Ukraine tomorrow. We'll just have to wait and see.
The Ukrainian move needs to be proven long-term correct before anyone can know it is correct.
I agree that an all-out win one way or the other is a silly thought. But that isn't what I said.
The war was provoked by Ukraine since before 2014. Then, when it hit them, they couldn't stop Russia from taking the Black Sea Corridor. All that Russia has been doing is sitting back and keeping what they took. Can Ukraine take it back? That's the question.
Ukraine is mobilizing the US and Nato, because there isn't any more Ukraine left to mobilize. Russia is mobilizing Russia, and making in-roads into mobilizing China, Iran, Africa and who-knows-who-else. Besides, Belarus is just sitting there waiting for somebody to make a serious move against Russia.
The US and Nato bit off more than they are willing to chew. It might be a long war, but Russia will come out victorious. They have essentially proven it already with the Black Sea Corridor.
I don't know the future any better than anyone else. The US might take back the Black Sea Corridor for Ukraine tomorrow. We'll just have to wait and see.
Yes, time will tell of course if the special operation in Kursk to de-Putinify and create a buffer has been a good idea, this is just a first approach.
On regards to the rest if you own thinking mixed with some Kremlin propaganda and narratives and it is irrelevant for the analysis.
Ukraine may or may not be able to recover more ore less territory - who knows, there's even some Ruzzian with little sympathy for Ukraine saying that there is a planned operation in Crimea out there. But in any case it seems that for now Ukraine has been able to take territory, that the troops in are in numbers and strength that should be enough to defend it, but - and this is even if Ruzzia takes it back - there are Pows captured at large during the operation including some Ahmat and many Ruzzian conscripts that should have never been near a conflict zone - and those you won't take them back unless there's an exchage.
Yes. Only time will tell. Does the Kremlin use propaganda and not the US and UK media? If you think so, you are missing a whole bunch. Better to look at the overall picture yourself, which is...
Is it a fact that Ukraine has not been able to take back the Black Sea Corridor, or is such only a media lie?
How long will it take before Ukraine takes back the land it lost to Russia... which I have termed the Black Sea Corridor? Are they doing this? Can they do it? If they don't or can't, the whole Ukrainian game is stupid, and exists only going to kill off more of them.
Nope. the move is correct. The scenarios under consideration are not either Ruzzia conquers all Ukraine or Ukraine takes all Ruzzia. That is simple thing for simple minds. There are a large number of intermediate results of more or less land an cities, and sea right and prisoners are taken or traded... There are still many possible options including Ukraine holding more or less land and Ruzzia having more or less success.
The move in Kursk improves the position of Ukraine.
The Ukrainian move needs to be proven long-term correct before anyone can know it is correct.
I agree that an all-out win one way or the other is a silly thought. But that isn't what I said.
The war was provoked by Ukraine since before 2014. Then, when it hit them, they couldn't stop Russia from taking the Black Sea Corridor. All that Russia has been doing is sitting back and keeping what they took. Can Ukraine take it back? That's the question.
Ukraine is mobilizing the US and Nato, because there isn't any more Ukraine left to mobilize. Russia is mobilizing Russia, and making in-roads into mobilizing China, Iran, Africa and who-knows-who-else. Besides, Belarus is just sitting there waiting for somebody to make a serious move against Russia.
The US and Nato bit off more than they are willing to chew. It might be a long war, but Russia will come out victorious. They have essentially proven it already with the Black Sea Corridor.
I don't know the future any better than anyone else. The US might take back the Black Sea Corridor for Ukraine tomorrow. We'll just have to wait and see.
Yes, time will tell of course if the special operation in Kursk to de-Putinify and create a buffer has been a good idea, this is just a first approach.
On regards to the rest if you own thinking mixed with some Kremlin propaganda and narratives and it is irrelevant for the analysis.
Ukraine may or may not be able to recover more ore less territory - who knows, there's even some Ruzzian with little sympathy for Ukraine saying that there is a planned operation in Crimea out there. But in any case it seems that for now Ukraine has been able to take territory, that the troops in are in numbers and strength that should be enough to defend it, but - and this is even if Ruzzia takes it back - there are Pows captured at large during the operation including some Ahmat and many Ruzzian conscripts that should have never been near a conflict zone - and those you won't take them back unless there's an exchage.
But before the borders of 1991, Ukraine will not be able to return anything. The maximum is to return everything except Donbass and Crimea through negotiations.
Germany is starting it. Well, not really. Hungary already did.
Will the rest of Nato follow suite? When they do, will the US finally back off? These are questions that are difficult to answer.
Remember, For the moment Hungary is against supporting Ukraine, and has been for a while. So the below title doesn't quite fit.
Hungary and Germany. Who will be next? Maybe we in the US will see a lightening of our for-nothing load.
Some really good info and thinking at the source site.
The Beginning Of The End? Germany To Ban All New Ukraine Military Aid
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/beginning-end-germany-ban-all-new-ukraine-military-aid
Three days ago, in the aftermath of the WSJ report seeking to radically shift the narrative over the Nordstream sabotage, where instead of the CIA being blamed for the explosion of the critical gas pipeline from Russia to Europe, unnamed "intelligence" sources forged on with a hilarious script according to which a top Ukraine general (operating initially under the instructions of Zelensky but then going rogue w[h]en Z got "cold feet") was responsible for coordinating the sabotage using a handful of rank amateurs who somehow managed to sneak to the bottom of the Baltic sea and conduct an unprecedented military operation, we said that - no matter the laughable veracity of the report - relations between Germany and Ukraine are "about to turn ugly", and we asked why this story is coming out just now?
We didn't have long to wait to get the answer: as German media reports, this U-turn in the narrative (which according to some meant that NATO should now unleash its full military power against.... Ukraine, which had single-handedly attacked German assets by blowing up the Nordstream) was meant to soften the blow from Germany's decision to finally cut off Ukraine's - and Zelensky's - unprecedented grift.
According to a Saturday report in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ), the German government will stop new military aid to Ukraine as part of the ruling coalition's plan to reduce spending. The report, which cited non-public documents and emails as well as discussions with unnamed sources, goes on to note that the moratorium on new assistance - which is already in effect - will affect new requests for funding, not previously approved aid,
In a letter sent to the German defense ministry on Aug. 5, Finance Minister Christian Lindner said that future funding would no longer come from Germany's federal budget but from proceeds from frozen Russian assets, according to the German newspaper. And since we already know that recent attempts to liquidate Russian assets crashed and burned over fears of escalating Russian retaliation, this effectively means no more aid for Ukraine.
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Will the rest of Nato follow suite? When they do, will the US finally back off? These are questions that are difficult to answer.
Remember, For the moment Hungary is against supporting Ukraine, and has been for a while. So the below title doesn't quite fit.
Hungary and Germany. Who will be next? Maybe we in the US will see a lightening of our for-nothing load.
Some really good info and thinking at the source site.
The Beginning Of The End? Germany To Ban All New Ukraine Military Aid
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/beginning-end-germany-ban-all-new-ukraine-military-aid
Three days ago, in the aftermath of the WSJ report seeking to radically shift the narrative over the Nordstream sabotage, where instead of the CIA being blamed for the explosion of the critical gas pipeline from Russia to Europe, unnamed "intelligence" sources forged on with a hilarious script according to which a top Ukraine general (operating initially under the instructions of Zelensky but then going rogue w[h]en Z got "cold feet") was responsible for coordinating the sabotage using a handful of rank amateurs who somehow managed to sneak to the bottom of the Baltic sea and conduct an unprecedented military operation, we said that - no matter the laughable veracity of the report - relations between Germany and Ukraine are "about to turn ugly", and we asked why this story is coming out just now?
We didn't have long to wait to get the answer: as German media reports, this U-turn in the narrative (which according to some meant that NATO should now unleash its full military power against.... Ukraine, which had single-handedly attacked German assets by blowing up the Nordstream) was meant to soften the blow from Germany's decision to finally cut off Ukraine's - and Zelensky's - unprecedented grift.
According to a Saturday report in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ), the German government will stop new military aid to Ukraine as part of the ruling coalition's plan to reduce spending. The report, which cited non-public documents and emails as well as discussions with unnamed sources, goes on to note that the moratorium on new assistance - which is already in effect - will affect new requests for funding, not previously approved aid,
In a letter sent to the German defense ministry on Aug. 5, Finance Minister Christian Lindner said that future funding would no longer come from Germany's federal budget but from proceeds from frozen Russian assets, according to the German newspaper. And since we already know that recent attempts to liquidate Russian assets crashed and burned over fears of escalating Russian retaliation, this effectively means no more aid for Ukraine.
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How long will it take before Ukraine takes back the land it lost to Russia... which I have termed the Black Sea Corridor? Are they doing this? Can they do it? If they don't or can't, the whole Ukrainian game is stupid, and exists only going to kill off more of them.
Nope. the move is correct. The scenarios under consideration are not either Ruzzia conquers all Ukraine or Ukraine takes all Ruzzia. That is simple thing for simple minds. There are a large number of intermediate results of more or less land an cities, and sea right and prisoners are taken or traded... There are still many possible options including Ukraine holding more or less land and Ruzzia having more or less success.
The move in Kursk improves the position of Ukraine.
The Ukrainian move needs to be proven long-term correct before anyone can know it is correct.
I agree that an all-out win one way or the other is a silly thought. But that isn't what I said.
The war was provoked by Ukraine since before 2014. Then, when it hit them, they couldn't stop Russia from taking the Black Sea Corridor. All that Russia has been doing is sitting back and keeping what they took. Can Ukraine take it back? That's the question.
Ukraine is mobilizing the US and Nato, because there isn't any more Ukraine left to mobilize. Russia is mobilizing Russia, and making in-roads into mobilizing China, Iran, Africa and who-knows-who-else. Besides, Belarus is just sitting there waiting for somebody to make a serious move against Russia.
The US and Nato bit off more than they are willing to chew. It might be a long war, but Russia will come out victorious. They have essentially proven it already with the Black Sea Corridor.
I don't know the future any better than anyone else. The US might take back the Black Sea Corridor for Ukraine tomorrow. We'll just have to wait and see.
Yes, time will tell of course if the special operation in Kursk to de-Putinify and create a buffer has been a good idea, this is just a first approach.
On regards to the rest if you own thinking mixed with some Kremlin propaganda and narratives and it is irrelevant for the analysis.
Ukraine may or may not be able to recover more ore less territory - who knows, there's even some Ruzzian with little sympathy for Ukraine saying that there is a planned operation in Crimea out there. But in any case it seems that for now Ukraine has been able to take territory, that the troops in are in numbers and strength that should be enough to defend it, but - and this is even if Ruzzia takes it back - there are Pows captured at large during the operation including some Ahmat and many Ruzzian conscripts that should have never been near a conflict zone - and those you won't take them back unless there's an exchage.
A large fire has been seen in the Zaporyia Nuclear Plant. For those who have live in another planet for years, this is the largest nuclear complex with 5 reactors in the Ruzzian occupied Zaporyia Oblast. I really hope they are burning a few weeds or doing a camp fire. A nuclear accident in Zapo could hit Ukraine, Ruzzia and several NATO countries.
https://youtu.be/mlK4a8X3FEo
https://youtu.be/mlK4a8X3FEo
Seems that the slow news has finally seen the way that Ukraine caused the fires.
Kiev’s attack on nuclear plant designed to cause fire – director
https://www.rt.com/russia/602490-zaporozhye-npp-ukraine-drone-attack/
The Ukrainian drone that ignited a blaze at the Zaporozhye NPP contained an accelerant, according to the facility’s director
The Ukrainian drone that caused a blaze inside one of the cooling towers of the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) appears to have carried a special incendiary liquid intended to spread fire more rapidly, the facility’s director, Yury Chernichuk, has claimed.
The cooling towers, which perform the important function of removing excess heat from nuclear reactors, came under attack on Sunday evening. The fire did not compromise the structural integrity of the massive concrete construction, which is over a 100m tall, but certain plastic elements inside were destroyed, Chernichuk told journalists on Monday.
The drone, he said, “entered the tower from above and detonated.” Judging by how fast the fire spread, the official presumes that it carried something such as petroleum or napalm. “The fire spread very fast over a large area,” he added.
Chernichuk said that an assessment was being carried out to determine how long it will take to repair the tower. Monitors of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), the UN’s nuclear watchdog, were given a tour of the location, Chernichuk added.
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They put our president on hit list...this is probably terrorist act out of frustration
because we only accepted 20000 or so Ukrainian refugees
https://myrotvorets.center/criminal/milanovich-zoran/
First of all, Myrotvorets website isn't owned by Ukraine's government, it's NGO. Second - get your facts right. He wasn't included to this list after not accepting refugess. He was already on this list before full scale invasion, to be precise since 25.01.2022 15:41 because we only accepted 20000 or so Ukrainian refugees
https://myrotvorets.center/criminal/milanovich-zoran/
And relating actions of some criminals with Ukraine's government, well, if you like conspiracy theories that's ok.
No idea... maybe he does not want to talk about the Ruzzian troops encircled in Glushkovo Kursk? Ukraine destroyed the bridge that was the only link of the Ruzzians with their supply lines, so
Nothing new - when you see facts that you don't like, there's nothing better than changing topic 
Each one has it own fixations... Branko with the propaganda and daRude is still obsessed with Nordstream and linking anything that supports his pre-conceptions. Let's put some balance on this...
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germany-issues-arrest-warrant-ukrainian-diver-nord-stream-probe-media-report-2024-08-14/
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Germany said its relationship with Ukraine was not strained by the Nord Stream inquiry. "The procedures have no bearing on what the Chancellor (Olaf Scholz) has described as the support of Ukraine's defence against Russia's illegal war of aggression, as long as necessary," the spokesperson added. Ukraine's foreign ministry did not immediately respond to a request for comment. The German federal prosecutor's office declined to comment on the media reports.
Fact: A suspect of being part of the Nordstream blowup is of Ukrainian origing. Other suspects are thought to be Polish.
daTroll version: It was the government of Ukraine who organised, planned, paid for and order at the highest political level the sabotage.
I am sure you notice the difference.
As I am sure you notice the difference in his on source between what he intends to show "Germany withdrawing the support due to this, versus what his own source is actually saying when quoted correctly:
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The German government will no longer provide Ukraine with any further aid payments - because according to the current budget planning, there is no more money.
And I am the "propagandist" here
Ok you got me, the wall street journal, Reuters, AP and all western media covering this story are all daTrolls now. And Germany (UA's second largest contributor) stopping funding to Ukraine is just a coincidence, because they would totally admit it if it was related. Germany should totally send more money to Ukraine, so another Ukrainian citizen can pull off another sabotage and blow up the remaining line of German gas infrastructure and then flee to Ukraine, who would then shield him from EU warrants. Is there anyone else left, besides you, who even attempts to pin it on Russia anymore, or are you the last holdout?
In any case, this is another indicator that UA must negotiate before 2025, pressure is on
I have quoted your souces and textually quoted what they say - and they do not say what you pretend they say. If you do not believe they say - your sources - then you should look for others that you trust. Again, in the world of special ops, everything is fuzzy and sometimes lookingnopposite to what actually happened.
Enough, the news today are that Ukraine is still advancing further into Kursk, and it is pretty much confirmed that experienced units with ample means of fighting and air defences are holding there and - sorry if you thought this was just an incursion, but it is looking like a proper offensive. The Ahmad (AKA Tik-Tok forces) have embarrassed themselves saying everything was under control while Ukraine keept on pushing full speed into Ruzzia.
Another silly attempt at misinterpretation. I do not doubt the reporting of the claim, i doubt the sincerity of that German claim. That is, i do believe that Reuters correctly cited German spokesperson trying to convince everyone that Germany stopping aid to UA is just a coincidence and not related to UA sabotaging Germany's critical civil infrastructure.
"everything is fuzzy and sometimes lookingnopposite to what actually happened"
I see instead of honest argument you're continuing with the fallacy101 course
(UA progress in Kursk from 17th-18th) At what point do you think that the advantage of the maneuver warfare is lost and it becomes just another front of the grinding war we've been seeing the whole year?
Russia used over 40 missiles, 750 guided bombs against Ukraine this week, Zelensky says
That's over 100 guided bombs coming on UA front lines every single day or a guided bomb hitting UA every 14min on average 
(some of which weigh 3 tons). Taking that with advantage in RU artillery, no way casualty rates can stay equal like this, I believe now it's reasonable to assume that overall UA casualties in this conflict will be higher than RU.
It's very cool that there are successes near Kursk, but who in the Donbas will stop the Russian army? Things are going terribly this way. Kramatorsk and Slavyansk will soon be under attack.
Crapload of Ukrainian air defense got denazified yesterday:
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/t/the-war-in-the-ukraine.8948/page-2301
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/t/the-war-in-the-ukraine.8948/page-2301
How long will it take before Ukraine takes back the land it lost to Russia... which I have termed the Black Sea Corridor? Are they doing this? Can they do it? If they don't or can't, the whole Ukrainian game is stupid, and exists only going to kill off more of them.
Nope. the move is correct. The scenarios under consideration are not either Ruzzia conquers all Ukraine or Ukraine takes all Ruzzia. That is simple thing for simple minds. There are a large number of intermediate results of more or less land an cities, and sea right and prisoners are taken or traded... There are still many possible options including Ukraine holding more or less land and Ruzzia having more or less success.
The move in Kursk improves the position of Ukraine.
The Ukrainian move needs to be proven long-term correct before anyone can know it is correct.
I agree that an all-out win one way or the other is a silly thought. But that isn't what I said.
The war was provoked by Ukraine since before 2014. Then, when it hit them, they couldn't stop Russia from taking the Black Sea Corridor. All that Russia has been doing is sitting back and keeping what they took. Can Ukraine take it back? That's the question.
Ukraine is mobilizing the US and Nato, because there isn't any more Ukraine left to mobilize. Russia is mobilizing Russia, and making in-roads into mobilizing China, Iran, Africa and who-knows-who-else. Besides, Belarus is just sitting there waiting for somebody to make a serious move against Russia.
The US and Nato bit off more than they are willing to chew. It might be a long war, but Russia will come out victorious. They have essentially proven it already with the Black Sea Corridor.
I don't know the future any better than anyone else. The US might take back the Black Sea Corridor for Ukraine tomorrow. We'll just have to wait and see.
How long will it take before Ukraine takes back the land it lost to Russia... which I have termed the Black Sea Corridor? Are they doing this? Can they do it? If they don't or can't, the whole Ukrainian game is stupid, and exists only going to kill off more of them.
Nope. the move is correct. The scenarios under consideration are not either Ruzzia conquers all Ukraine or Ukraine takes all Ruzzia. That is simple thing for simple minds. There are a large number of intermediate results of more or less land an cities, and sea right and prisoners are taken or traded... There are still many possible options including Ukraine holding more or less land and Ruzzia having more or less success.
The move in Kursk improves the position of Ukraine.
How long will it take before Ukraine takes back the land it lost to Russia... which I have termed the Black Sea Corridor? Are they doing this? Can they do it? If they don't or can't, the whole Ukrainian game is stupid, and exists only going to kill off more of them.
They put our president on hit list...this is probably terrorist act out of frustration
because we only accepted 20000 or so Ukrainian refugees
https://myrotvorets.center/criminal/milanovich-zoran/
First of all, Myrotvorets website isn't owned by Ukraine's government, it's NGO. Second - get your facts right. He wasn't included to this list after not accepting refugess. He was already on this list before full scale invasion, to be precise since 25.01.2022 15:41 because we only accepted 20000 or so Ukrainian refugees
https://myrotvorets.center/criminal/milanovich-zoran/
And relating actions of some criminals with Ukraine's government, well, if you like conspiracy theories that's ok.
No idea... maybe he does not want to talk about the Ruzzian troops encircled in Glushkovo Kursk? Ukraine destroyed the bridge that was the only link of the Ruzzians with their supply lines, so
Nothing new - when you see facts that you don't like, there's nothing better than changing topic Each one has it own fixations... Branko with the propaganda and daRude is still obsessed with Nordstream and linking anything that supports his pre-conceptions. Let's put some balance on this...
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germany-issues-arrest-warrant-ukrainian-diver-nord-stream-probe-media-report-2024-08-14/
Quote
Germany said its relationship with Ukraine was not strained by the Nord Stream inquiry. "The procedures have no bearing on what the Chancellor (Olaf Scholz) has described as the support of Ukraine's defence against Russia's illegal war of aggression, as long as necessary," the spokesperson added. Ukraine's foreign ministry did not immediately respond to a request for comment. The German federal prosecutor's office declined to comment on the media reports.
Fact: A suspect of being part of the Nordstream blowup is of Ukrainian origing. Other suspects are thought to be Polish.
daTroll version: It was the government of Ukraine who organised, planned, paid for and order at the highest political level the sabotage.
I am sure you notice the difference.
As I am sure you notice the difference in his on source between what he intends to show "Germany withdrawing the support due to this, versus what his own source is actually saying when quoted correctly:
Quote
The German government will no longer provide Ukraine with any further aid payments - because according to the current budget planning, there is no more money.
And I am the "propagandist" here
Ok you got me, the wall street journal, Reuters, AP and all western media covering this story are all daTrolls now. And Germany (UA's second largest contributor) stopping funding to Ukraine is just a coincidence, because they would totally admit it if it was related. Germany should totally send more money to Ukraine, so another Ukrainian citizen can pull off another sabotage and blow up the remaining line of German gas infrastructure and then flee to Ukraine, who would then shield him from EU warrants. Is there anyone else left, besides you, who even attempts to pin it on Russia anymore, or are you the last holdout?
In any case, this is another indicator that UA must negotiate before 2025, pressure is on
I have quoted your souces and textually quoted what they say - and they do not say what you pretend they say. If you do not believe they say - your sources - then you should look for others that you trust. Again, in the world of special ops, everything is fuzzy and sometimes lookingnopposite to what actually happened.
Enough, the news today are that Ukraine is still advancing further into Kursk, and it is pretty much confirmed that experienced units with ample means of fighting and air defences are holding there and - sorry if you thought this was just an incursion, but it is looking like a proper offensive. The Ahmad (AKA Tik-Tok forces) have embarrassed themselves saying everything was under control while Ukraine keept on pushing full speed into Ruzzia.
They put our president on hit list...this is probably terrorist act out of frustration
because we only accepted 20000 or so Ukrainian refugees
https://myrotvorets.center/criminal/milanovich-zoran/
First of all, Myrotvorets website isn't owned by Ukraine's government, it's NGO. Second - get your facts right. He wasn't included to this list after not accepting refugess. He was already on this list before full scale invasion, to be precise since 25.01.2022 15:41 because we only accepted 20000 or so Ukrainian refugees
https://myrotvorets.center/criminal/milanovich-zoran/
And relating actions of some criminals with Ukraine's government, well, if you like conspiracy theories that's ok.
No idea... maybe he does not want to talk about the Ruzzian troops encircled in Glushkovo Kursk? Ukraine destroyed the bridge that was the only link of the Ruzzians with their supply lines, so
Nothing new - when you see facts that you don't like, there's nothing better than changing topic Each one has it own fixations... Branko with the propaganda and daRude is still obsessed with Nordstream and linking anything that supports his pre-conceptions. Let's put some balance on this...
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germany-issues-arrest-warrant-ukrainian-diver-nord-stream-probe-media-report-2024-08-14/
Quote
Germany said its relationship with Ukraine was not strained by the Nord Stream inquiry. "The procedures have no bearing on what the Chancellor (Olaf Scholz) has described as the support of Ukraine's defence against Russia's illegal war of aggression, as long as necessary," the spokesperson added. Ukraine's foreign ministry did not immediately respond to a request for comment. The German federal prosecutor's office declined to comment on the media reports.
Fact: A suspect of being part of the Nordstream blowup is of Ukrainian origing. Other suspects are thought to be Polish.
daTroll version: It was the government of Ukraine who organised, planned, paid for and order at the highest political level the sabotage.
I am sure you notice the difference.
As I am sure you notice the difference in his on source between what he intends to show "Germany withdrawing the support due to this, versus what his own source is actually saying when quoted correctly:
Quote
The German government will no longer provide Ukraine with any further aid payments - because according to the current budget planning, there is no more money.
And I am the "propagandist" here
Ok you got me, the wall street journal, Reuters, AP and all western media covering this story are all daTrolls now. And Germany (UA's second largest contributor) stopping funding to Ukraine is just a coincidence, because they would totally admit it if it was related. Germany should totally send more money to Ukraine, so another Ukrainian citizen can pull off another sabotage and blow up the remaining line of German gas infrastructure and then flee to Ukraine, who would then shield him from EU warrants. Is there anyone else left, besides you, who even attempts to pin it on Russia anymore, or are you the last holdout?
In any case, this is another indicator that UA must negotiate before 2025, pressure is on
It doesn't matter that they are trolls. What matters is how many and who believe them.
They put our president on hit list...this is probably terrorist act out of frustration
because we only accepted 20000 or so Ukrainian refugees
https://myrotvorets.center/criminal/milanovich-zoran/
First of all, Myrotvorets website isn't owned by Ukraine's government, it's NGO. Second - get your facts right. He wasn't included to this list after not accepting refugess. He was already on this list before full scale invasion, to be precise since 25.01.2022 15:41 because we only accepted 20000 or so Ukrainian refugees
https://myrotvorets.center/criminal/milanovich-zoran/
And relating actions of some criminals with Ukraine's government, well, if you like conspiracy theories that's ok.
No idea... maybe he does not want to talk about the Ruzzian troops encircled in Glushkovo Kursk? Ukraine destroyed the bridge that was the only link of the Ruzzians with their supply lines, so
Nothing new - when you see facts that you don't like, there's nothing better than changing topic Each one has it own fixations... Branko with the propaganda and daRude is still obsessed with Nordstream and linking anything that supports his pre-conceptions. Let's put some balance on this...
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germany-issues-arrest-warrant-ukrainian-diver-nord-stream-probe-media-report-2024-08-14/
Quote
Germany said its relationship with Ukraine was not strained by the Nord Stream inquiry. "The procedures have no bearing on what the Chancellor (Olaf Scholz) has described as the support of Ukraine's defence against Russia's illegal war of aggression, as long as necessary," the spokesperson added. Ukraine's foreign ministry did not immediately respond to a request for comment. The German federal prosecutor's office declined to comment on the media reports.
Fact: A suspect of being part of the Nordstream blowup is of Ukrainian origing. Other suspects are thought to be Polish.
daTroll version: It was the government of Ukraine who organised, planned, paid for and order at the highest political level the sabotage.
I am sure you notice the difference.
As I am sure you notice the difference in his on source between what he intends to show "Germany withdrawing the support due to this, versus what his own source is actually saying when quoted correctly:
Quote
The German government will no longer provide Ukraine with any further aid payments - because according to the current budget planning, there is no more money.
And I am the "propagandist" here
Ok you got me, the wall street journal, Reuters, AP and all western media covering this story are all daTrolls now. And Germany (UA's second largest contributor) stopping funding to Ukraine is just a coincidence, because they would totally admit it if it was related. Germany should totally send more money to Ukraine, so another Ukrainian citizen can pull off another sabotage and blow up the remaining line of German gas infrastructure and then flee to Ukraine, who would then shield him from EU warrants. Is there anyone else left, besides you, who even attempts to pin it on Russia anymore, or are you the last holdout?
In any case, this is another indicator that UA must negotiate before 2025, pressure is on
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