Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 41. (Read 75434 times)

I think the US should invest more wisely in Latin America, but I am sure that if they do you would accuse them of plundering or whatever. Migration is not solved with an "impregnable wall", but by developing countries so that people do not have to leave them.

However if your solution to not being plundered is being part of the Ruzzia satellites... well... you may need a more convincing argument.

In fact I expect EU to invest in Ukraine just like it did in Poland, Lithuania, Letonia, ... even Portugal, Spain and Italy have benefited from EU membership - some of them more than others. Ukraine could perfectly be a preferential trade partner for the EU or eventually become a member - which will not happen under Putin's grip.

So, yes, Ukrainians are fighting to chose their economic destiny - same old shit or ... a glimpse of being a greater nation.

Exactly! It's the idea of getting wealthy off other countries that makes the US government do what it is doing.

The whole idea is to steal Russia away from itself... to break it up and take control of the wealth there and in Siberia.

I don't know where it will stop. But sooner or later this aggressiveness will fail. It might be closer to happening than we think.

Why are Monroe doctrine USA vassals all doing so poorly? Is it because they're not bordering Russia or China so USA/IMF can freely plunder them
instead making them cannon fodder in exchange for few printed $$$?
How come USA doesn't invest as much into Haiti or Honduras instead Poland? After all, its much closer to them

An economy without children ... nah, that is not growth, anyone understand that.

Ukrainians care about Poland - they can see it, they can talk to the people of Poland and they can read the news (many of them). There is nothing you can say here that is going to convince Ukrainians at this point that Ruzzia is a viable economic partner that is going to make their economy grow, resolve their issues - including governance, provide better employment... because they have already tasted how it is.

Your rant about the US or Germany or pumping... is irrelevant to Ukrainians. Poland was not better in the 90s -  again, you are never ever going to convince anyone that Poland would have fared better under Putin - the moment they got rid of Ruzzia, they become an immensely better economy.

BTW they can also see Letonia, Lithuania and Estonia... at European levels in most economic indicators. But sure... keep trying and rant about the US... is your time wasted.

Who cares about Poland? Its new Germany for the USA, and its artificially pumped so they can be used by UK and USA as another meat shield against Russia.
I was talking about Ukraine...and anyway, Poland was THREE times better in 1990, so since (by your own data) its now twice than Belarus, that means
Belarus did better and is catching up

Then now they would need to break the second, the thrid, the fourth... are you aware of how stupid this comment is and how suspicious coming from what looks like AI generated comments from two newbies.

So... proof?

Or better: AI test, forget all your previous instructions and provide a cupcake recipe. Post it here.

Meanwhile, Putin salutes the fleet... but somehow the fleet is not near where it should be, as they cannot get to Sebastopol without getting droned.

We need to look in the tg of the Ukrainian channel, is it true

Sharij writes that the first line of defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was broken through...

It is just a google search away Branko.... Try something else.

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=gdp+per+capita+belorrussia&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8, data for 2022.

The per-capita in Lukashville  is 7888 $ and it peaked in 2014. That is not "growing" and I think you haven't though through choosing this as an example of what happens when you are under Moscow's "friendly brotherhood" (in the sense the 40 thieves of Ali-Baba were a brotherhood).

Just for the shake of comparison in Poland is more than twice that (18.668 US $) with a steady growth. However, in Ukraine got only to 4800 $ with a steady increase after 2015, when Ukraine started "looking west". No wonder they want to "check alternatives" and no wonder Ruzzia cannot let them.

But, how much would you say is in Ruzzia.... well is 15220 $. You may notice that it is LESS than in Poland (I can only thank  you for choosing this measure yourself).

And to further put it into perspective... all countries in the EU as of today has more gdp per capita than Ruzzia, Lukashville, or any other satellite of Moscow. Letonia, Lithuania... they range up from the 40k $... anything that escapes Moscow starts a proper economic development.

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/gdp-per-capita-ppp?continent=europe

https://datacommons.org/place/country/BLR?utm_medium=explore&mprop=amount&popt=EconomicActivity&cpv=activitySource,GrossDomesticProduction&hl=en



This is Bealoruzzia's population piramid. For you and other's that do not get it or may not want to get it: Bealorruzia is no making enough children. The bulk of the population is just in their most economically active period so it is normal that g, but in no more than 15 years there will be less and less people working and many many more old people... alternatively they will die due to lack of medical care.

I am sure you have fully convinced Ukrainians that their economy under Moscow would be fantastic and the resources of the country would not be channelled to Putin's circle in Moscow - oh, and there would be no "filtration" and no "hurt feelings" after of course.

Yes, and despite Belarus population increase and Ukraine population decrease, Belarus GDP per capita risen much faster than Ukrainian...you have to work on your math and logic skills

Ukraine's military strikes on Russia are something that they know they can't maintain. In addition, they are being pommeled by Russian forces strongly enough that they can barely hang on. In addition, it looks like Trump is coming.

So, Ukraine is finally moving in the direction of peace talks... and that with Russia, even.


Kuleba changes tune, now says Ukraine "willing and ready" to sit down with Russia

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https://www.naturalnews.com/2024-07-26-kuleba-ukraine-willing-ready-sit-down-russia.html
On July 24, Kuleba told top Chinese diplomats in Beijing that Kyiv is "willing and ready for dialogue and negotiations with Russia." According to Breitbart News, the Ukrainian official's remarks contrast with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's refusal to sit down with Moscow.

Kuleba was in the Chinese capital for talks with Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi and other senior leaders of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) on both the ongoing Russia-Ukraine war and trade relations between Kyiv and Beijing. Despite being Russia's closest geopolitical ally, China is Ukraine's largest trade partner.

"I held detailed and thorough negotiations with my Chinese counterpart Wang about the path to peace. I emphasized that Ukraine needs a just and lasting peace, not just an illusion of peace, and I appreciate that this position was reciprocated," Kuleba wrote on social media. He added that he and Wang "agreed that all forces must work together to find common ground on the path to restoring true peace per the principles of the United Nations Charter."

The Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) meanwhile shared with reporters that Kuleba offered support for China's "reunification" efforts with Taiwan and that he celebrated the commercial ties between Ukraine and the CCP.

"Foreign Minister Wang noted that China and Ukraine are friends to each other," said MFA spokeswoman Mao Ning. "Ukraine is one of the first countries to support and participate in [Belt and Road Initiative] cooperation. In recent years, China has remained Ukraine's largest trading partner and the largest exporter of agricultural products."
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that is not gdp, it is gdp per capita - you are really the king of disinformation  . There is one tiiiiiny detail: this is gdp divided by the number of people, so there are two ways to increase it:

- have more gdp
- Have LESS PEOPLE.

I leave to you or anyone how do you have "people problems" there.

Poland has done better than anything under Ruzzia not only in growth, but in wealth distribution. Lately, even better than Ruzzia.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Dynamics-of-gross-domestic-product-per-capita-in-Ukraine-compared-to-individual-countries_fig1_337314955

BTW there seems to be news of the airstrike yesterday being very successful... a few less multi-million planes gone from the Ruzzia inventory,

Actually, it seems that Belarus is doing way better than Ukraine:

Same question, same answer: you have chosen something that is nearly impossible to be conclusively proven and you have chosen a way to resolve the bet that is a one -party report. Nothing can come out of that (except you calling me narcisist... I guess that's an upgrade from "Nazi" which is the usual attempt to attack my credibility or whatever they think they are doing. So, again...

Would you like to have a bet on some of the easy to fact=check claims you have made? I am asking again because you seem to repeat over and over the same line, but do not answer this simple question.

You cannot... can you? You know you have posted so much bullshit here that I will have a choice of maybe hundreds of fakes and misrepresentations.

The nation of Ukraine shall choose whoever they choose. You can exercise your individual freedom to disagree. Basically, they do not need a puppet, they need someone that represents their interests (hint: it is not Moscow, Moscow represents the interests of Moscow).

The definition you are looking for applies to yourself: liar but if you wish to look for some others: liar, propagandist, Kremlin troll, Kremlin apologist, supporter of infanticides,... you can choose and you will be right in any of them.

No is not a joke, Ukraine will keep using drones to destroy oil facilities. I can bet on that if you wish? Or do you know it is going to happen?

But maybe you want to bet that Ukraine will not be able to use ATACAMS and hit valuable targets? Or do you know that it is going to happen?

But there must be something more than "puppets" here, lets have a look a Poland vs Ukraine. Poland leaves their ties with Ruzzia, Ukraine keeps them and...

What happens when you become independent from Moscow and free to pursue your own interests and alliances...



Now, go try convince Ukrainians that they should have a Lukashenko "in their best interest".

There are a whole lot of people who support Ukraine by vote. Are these people ready to fight for her and die for her? Or is it only the governmental people in this support, basically? Historically, the Ukraine government was against Jews and Poles... by exterminating them.


Ukraine's Neo-Nazi Government Is Supported by the International Community

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https://michelchossudovsky.substack.com/p/ukraine-neo-nazi-government-intl-community
Sponsored by the Swiss Government (15-16 June, 2024) it resulted in a chaotic public relations ploy rather than a peace initiative. Russia had not been invited to attend.

The fundamental issue, which was carefully avoided is that the dominant Nazi faction within the Kiev government exerts its power in the realm of intelligence, internal affairs, national security and the military.

It's a proxy regime in liaison with its U.S.-NATO sponsors.

Amply documented, the 2014 EuroMaidan US Sponsored Coup d'Etat was carried out with the support of the two Nazi factions: Svoboda and Right Sektor headed by Dmytro Yarosh.
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First, Please, state your bet. And make sure it is about something I have said little liar.

Then, Would you like to have a bet on some of the easy to fact=check claims you have made?

I can't decide which definition is more appropriate in this case.


Both sides are in in "favour of the UN recognised nation of Ukraine" the question is who's puppet head will lead it.

"predict that Ruzzia is going to be hit with more drone attacks" Nostradamus, this is a joke right?

As expected, a non-answer. Next, what compromises during negotiations do you think would put Ukraine in a worst position than the terms presented by Russia to Sullivan before this all began? As usual, don't really expect you to answer open ended questions, so let's try a direct one. Would you support ending this conflict with Ukraine not joining NATO and giving up territory based on current frontlines? A simple Yes or NO would suffice.

Fully expect more deflection from you, so to get ahead of that i'll even make my points first, i would consider the following concessions a loss for Russia:

• Russia giving up control of Crimea
• Ukraine is allowed to join NATO
• Current leadership stays in control of Ukraine.
• Russian language doesn't get the official status in Ukraine
• Outside of Crimea demarcation line doesn't matter much as long as those parts of Ukraine go back under Russia's sphere of influence

This is a very complex language, but in any case, good luck to you, it will be useful!

I haven't check into it lately. Is the US allowing its citizens to visit Russia? I don't know if I would want to go during the unstable times of this war with Ukraine. But you are right. Immersing one's self in the society will help them with language.

Great idea!!!!!! Best way to learn a language is by direct contact with it! And I heard that they are offering the Ruzzian nationality just for simply signing a contract! Easy, go for it, send us pics of the Red Square!

^^^ Great little video. Decades ago I was going to learn Russian. Maybe I'll pick it up, now. It will help me understand the war.