Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 38. (Read 69425 times)

Claims that Ukraine is loosing up to 50k soldiers/month were published in response to your claims, for a full picture. I give as much credibility on Russian losses coming from the Ukrainian side, as I do for Ukrainian losses coming from the Russian side. It's hard to imagine any more biased sources than direct participants in the conflict. In fact it's kind of their job to lie to their population in order to keep morale from collapsing. But logically speaking citing such information from the involved party is just pure propaganda. But I think it's safe to say that the side that has almost daily air alerts all over the country, countrywide power blackouts, loosing land daily, mobilizing younger population, support of who's leader is dropping, and who's leadership's existence is totally dependent on the direct support from the outside, has few more reasons to exaggerate. In other words, who do you think is more dependent on public opinion, guy who's daily job is to fight for every pair of eyeballs, trying to gather as much publicity as humanly possible in order to bring as much attention/support to Ukraine as possible, or well...Putin?

You have published Putin's stated ratio. So to go to the point: do you give credibility to that or are you trying to squeeze your way out of publishing something you do not believe for its possible propaganda value? Before answering this, make sure you clearly understand the figure Putin gave.

If you ask me "do I give credibility to the figures I post", I will send you here:


So I do give some degree of credibility to figures:
https://www.minusrus.com/en 

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

Vehicles:


https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240503-france-estimates-that-150-000-russian-soldiers-have-been-killed-in-the-ukraine-war

But you can also go to any more official source, they all assume between 465000 / 510000 loses.

You literally posted about Ukraine's military making claims on Russian losses and gave it credibility when it's never going to be a real assessment. I provided claims by Russian commander on Ukrainian losses. You doubted it saying It is just ridiculous that you even try to pass that information as credible or remotely accurate. and attempted to justify that logic by asking Can you picture any situation in which Putin would go and say that Ruzzian losses are actually 5 to 1 Ukrainian? i countered that and pointed out your double standards just by mirroring your question and asked if you could picture any situation in which UA forces (Zelenskyy) would go and say that Ukrainian losses are actually higher than Russian.

What exactly you cannot follow in that?

You realize how ridiculous you sound by constantly posting outlandish claims, but when presented with claims from the other side you just start yelling that it's opinion but not facts? It's especially hilarious when you talk about "opinions" only in the same day to post stuff like "It has been mentioned that ATACAMS have been approved to be used up to 200 miles (roughly 300 km) across the whole front.".



Edited for clarity.

No, I have said what is written (a) Putin made a claim about the losses ratio and you gave it credibility when is never going to be a real assessment and (b) You, as usual, wondered about claiming that "Zelensky would not give accurate information either" which may or may not be true, but I did not make any claim about it.

just read it, it is right there. But this follows the same pattern of giving credibility to "opinions" or biased data, so no surprise here.

Meanwhile, another ATACAMS hit happened in Luhansk, on a military base that now is "in range". Pictures coming later perhaps.

It has been said that the French Mirage will be the 2005 model, which is not very modern, but can cover perfectly the Mig 29 missions required to launch SCALPs or Stormshadows. That should ring a few alarm bells out there in the Ruzzia side of the front.

I have observed that the military aid from US includes TOW missiles used mostly by Bradleys. This is the main weapon they can use when confronting tanks, which leads me to thing that they are betting on this very abundant and agile vehicle perfectly suited for war in Ukraine instead of sending more Abrams, which are too limited and expensive to maintain.

Are you now saying that Zelenskyy doesn't represent UA military or he's not in control of his defense forces? Or are you saying you can picture situation in which UA military (sans Zelenskyy) would go and say that Ukrainian losses are actually higher than Russian? You got to pick one here

Zelensky nor I did not make the claim. You did on behalf of your handlers at the farm. It is just silly to post Putin speaking about losses ratio (he is probably being lied to anyway), but I did not. You did.

Can you picture any situation in which Zelenskyy would go and say that Ukrainian losses are actually 3 to 1 Russian? It is just ridiculous that you even try to pass that information as credible or remotely accurate. 

They "would"... you know.... Can you picture any situation in which Putin would go and say that Ruzzian losses are actually 5 to 1 Ukrainian? It is just ridiculous that you even try to pass that information as credible or remotely accurate.

So back to the real world:

https://www.politico.eu/article/france-fighter-jets-military-aviation-ukraine-emmanuel-macron-kyiv-direct-support-russia-war/


If you think of this, it makes perfect sense. Once you got that many people trained in this plane, France will likely be a long term supplier. f16's are pretty much confirmed and there are thousands around the world. The right aircraft for Ukraine would be the Gripen, but unfortunately seems more difficult to obtain.

What Putin has achieved is fantastic - sorry, he would give a speech on this - Europe an the US are not just supporting Ukraine, they are actually racing to be preferred supplier.

It has been mentioned that ATACAMS have been approved to be used up to 200 miles (roughly 300 km) across the whole front. Get used to be "in range".

More refining capacity was put in the "pending repairs list" - repairs that will never come - by drones in Rostov on don. Pictures will be available later.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/06/ukraine-war-briefing-power-cuts-ordered-as-russian-attacks-create-catastrophic-shortages

Rostov in range:
https://youtu.be/UHJBA0Az_HY

Edited to add: It seems that also a few millions in ground-to-air munitions from the US. There is this old missile called "hawk" that is quite old and possibly quite a few of them about to expire like a yogurt, but depending on the model, they are perfect for Cruise missiles and perhaps to Saheds if needed. Quite portable and easy to relocate it is.

2 million Chinese troops in Russia. 
Russia would sign it's own death warrant.

Easy inviting them in.
Getting them to leave afterwards.... well...

“Never get involved in a land war in Asia”  - Vizzini

Initial source "published by Ukraine's military" https://x.com/DefenceU/status/1797857800309411907 so propaganda wrapped into newsweek.com wrapper to provide more legitimacy? But since we're citing direct side of the conflict on losses, to get a full-er picture would it not be beneficial to cite both sides?


Those numbers would be catastrophic even before we consider Russia's 3:1 advantage in population. History will not judge Zelenskyy kindly if real numbers are anything close to this, once revealed. Lowering age of mobilized Ukrainian conscripts only provides hints of the horrifying dynamics

Well, the problem is that this ship has sailed. Ruzzia has sold the missile technology all over the place.. China, Iran, North Korea... Even the Houtis have ballistic missiles. I guess we are confusing here cause and effect.

However right now Ruzzia is not only not giving away any missile, long or short range, is actually importing as much as they can from their dictator's golf club - namely from Iran an North Korea. Missiles, drones, shells... Ruzzia has none to spare, and in fact many countries that had placed orders for Ruzzian systems and planes have been notified that they will have to wait for them... for years to come.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/05/03/russia-arms-sales-weapons-exports-worldwide-ukraine-war/


https://www.reuters.com/world/india/india-pivots-away-russian-arms-will-retain-strong-ties-2024-01-28/



Oh, you are not taking the bet then? Maybe? do you still think that China is going to send two million soldiers to Ruzzia? Maybe you'd like to take that back? Maybe everything you say has the same credibility?

Putin says it may take a year to get rid of Zelensky. But it will happen a lot faster if the 2-million man army from China attacks the ME. Then the US will forget all about Ukraine, and Russia will walk all over her.

Putin will probably let Zelensky live. He might even give him his old comedian act back. This just to show mixed up Ukrainians that Russia is their proper help as Russia rebuilds Ukraine.


Putin: We Could Supply Long-Range Missiles To Enemies Of West In Retaliation

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ny-times-confirms-first-ukraine-strike-russia-us-long-range-missiles?utm_source=daily_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2775
Update(1932ET): Russian President Putin addressed the annual economic forum in St. Petersburg on Wednesday, where he took the opportunity to put the US and NATO on notice concerning Kiev being given the greenlight to use Western weapons to attack Russian territory (detailed below).

He suggested that he's mulling the option of providing adversaries of the West with Russian long-range missiles. Below is what he said:

"That would mark their direct involvement in the war against the Russian Federation, and we reserve the right to act the same way," Mr Putin told a three-hour meeting with the senior editors of international news agencies.

Because using such Western weapons involves military personnel of those countries controlling the missiles and selecting targets, Mr Putin claimed Moscow could take "asymmetrical" steps elsewhere in the world.

"If they consider it possible to deliver such weapons to the combat zone to launch strikes on our territory and create problems for us, why don't we have the right to supply weapons of the same type to some regions of the world where they can be used to launch strikes on sensitive facilities of the countries that do it to Russia?" he said.

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So... are you taking the bet or not Chinese Texan? Comme'on, how sure you are China will send 2 million soldiers to fight for Ruzzia? Would you like to take back your words?

Meanwhile, drone boats have sunk a tug boat. while this may appear unimportant, it is part of the strategy to stop transportation from Ruzzia to Crimea. Also, there are news about another refinery "out of service" in Rostov on don.

Since you would continue to support death for thousands by supporting more funds to Ukraine, if I were right in my predictions, you wouldn't agree, anyway. I mean, when you support murdering thousands or millions, my little predictions won't mean anything to you until it starts to hurt you personally. So, what does this have to do with anything?

Revelation 9:16:
These troops will pounce on the ME, and will take the pressure off Russia, thereby.

Also, since you seem interested in how many people of Texas want to secede, consider https://duckduckgo.com/?q=chart+of+percent+of+people+in+the+uS+want+secession&iax=images&ia=images.

If Texas secedes, the US will find it much harder to find funds to send to Ukraine.

^^^^^How can you tell that this is propaganda and where it comes from? Just notice it says "The Ukrainian Crisis". There is no "Ukrainian Crisis", there is an "Invasion of Ukraine by Ruzzia".

The rest is as good as the tittle. But it is irrelevant for the discourse of the war.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-casualties-tanks-apvs-vehicles-lost-artillery-systems-ukraine-1907814


And this is not a one-off, it is has been like this since Ruzzia started the invasion of Karkhiv Oblast. Or like you would be like it to call it "the Crisis in Karkhiv" or the "special military operation".

This is what means "to be in range" and there is going to be much more equipment "in range".

At least they have toilet, unlike 300 000 people in San Francisco shitting on streets each day, so much that they
had to develop application to track all those huge piles of shit:

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/View/index.html?appid=b6fab720912642b6aedafdb02a76d2a4

What country has 12.5% people on food stamps? Is that somewhere in Africa?

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/07/19/what-the-data-says-about-food-stamps-in-the-u-s/

paxmao, thank you for making my point:



Poor France:

https://www.politico.eu/article/france-africa-russia-emmanuel-macron-vladimir-putin-mali-central-african-republic-burkina-faso/

So... are you betting on China providing 2 million soldiers? You just said is going to happen... are not sure?

Would you like a bet on Texas becoming independent in the next year? You also said that could happen.

Since the Russian stock of weapons is essentially limitless, let Ukraine destroy itself while burning through a few Russian weapons.

I'm for freedom. I wouldn't want to stop the Ukrainian war, because they are doing it freely. If you can't stop suicide, the only thing left to do is to agree with it.

dumBAss, would you like to put your bitcoin where your mouth is? If China provides two million soldiers or more to fight for Ruzzia against Ukraine in the next 6 months I will give you 10 usd in bitcoin.. If it does not... you stop posting for a week of my choice.

deal?

Branko help me made the point of the Ruzzian Federation being a Moscovian Empire - pure kleptocracy. Thanks again. I would rather be talking about how Ukraine is burning through the Ruzzian's soviet stock of weapons with admirable efficacy, The number of Ruzzian equipment and the value of it are beyond even the wildest dreams of Ukraine.