Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 43. (Read 75494 times)

I propose we get an independent third party to hold the bet, and that party should make a judgement call once Germany officially releases its findings and conclusions, if "RF has destroyed the Nord Streams". How do you propose we do it?

Again and again your favourite topic. Seriously when are you going to read today's news??

To the bet, how do you propose to find out who won the bet? I am guessing you intend to use one of your "sources"?

Meanwhile Ukraine has shut the oil pipe that was supplying Ruzzian oil to Hungary. Orban may be under a little bit of pressure now I am guessing.

Are you really sure you want to go that way?

Blowing the Nord Stream II looks like the RF army doing to kind of "make a point" on regards to EU aid and aligns well with a country that is under a Junta. In my view, this is an act of war. The Orc army could have chosen any other target right? A bridge in France, a factory in Germany... Why do you think they would hit NS II? The answer is very simple: it is not in NATO territory and does not grant a NATO mobilisation which would end any expectation of even a technical "victory" in the invasion

Meanwhile, the disconnect between the RF army chief Psychos and the diplomatic and civil side of the government is show again in the terrorist attacks against Nord Stream II.

as the RF has destroyed the Nord Streams "outside NATO territory".

The Nord Stream was mainly a RF doing...Bottomline, as it is now, it looks like international terrorism from Adolf Putin's Psychos and the Chief Orcs.

Let's see how things are going with that as of 15.07.2024


So how much are you willing to bet on this claim of yours that "RF has destroyed the Nord Streams"? With the rise of the right party, doubt Germany will be able to conceal/classify or hold out from releasing the findings for much longer But Xal0lex has been censoring me on this, so fully expect he'll delete this post just as he did with my previous posts on this topic.

Correction: You should need to compare with the total income not just personal tax, which is not paid in some states, debt payments are a mere 3.2% of the gdp anyway.

Meanwhile, another oil facility strike with drones today. it is quite incredible that Ruzzia cannot stop a relatively large drone, that is even caught on video by people going into the massive complex of Rosnef in Tuapse.

It is simply huge https://www.google.com/maps/dir//Ulitsa+Sochinskaya,+1,+Tuapse,+Krasnodar+Krai,+Russia,+352800/@44.096536,39.084797,1644m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m8!4m7!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x40f3ffa183a4aaad:0x2c82d562af324aba!2m2!1d39.0960064!2d44.0998968?entry=ttu

If such a large site, so far from Ukraine's controlled territory is easy to hit... well, I would not be celebrating so much the "glories" of Putin's army.

Its all over, even Elon Musk realizes why USA NEEDS this war (and many more):

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1815443146014171281

Please, state your bet. And make sure it is about something I have said little liar.

There is nothing to discuss about the borders - whatever was internationally recognised before Ruzzia invaded is what should be and whatever comes from a negotiation - if there is one ever - is what we will have to live with. I leave you to your theories on why somehow invading a sovereign country is OK if it suits your interests.

Your are overusing the picture about cookies. Would you like to try convincing us that Ruzzia is a corruption free country with no "cookies"? You have a hard task ahead.

How confident are you that when US staged coup detat/regime change in Ukraine that they just didn't know that it would breach on Russia's national interests, and they just miscalculated? Or do you think they knew pretty well what they were doing by giving out cookies and saying Fuck the EU, and this is all is just a collateral damage in a bigger plan?

You mean exactly the same reasons why US and NATO didn't call any of their military "operations" wars, in the past 60 years?

If Cuba was an existential threat to US, Ukraine is definitely an existential threat to Russia. Russia loosing Ukraine would follow with a loss of Georgia, Kazakhstan, and Belarus... Without it's sphere of influence, it would seize to be a regional power and would collapse once again.

Imagine if you could travel back in time to Ukraine in 2013 when everything was fine and educate these people about the Judas kiss and tell them not to accept these cookies. How many Ukrainians would you save by not sending them to be pawns in a larger global conflict?

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Can't say i'm surprised that you won't put your money where you mouth is. But really nice to see you start accepting the reality and pivoting from "1991 borders". Now comes the hard part, do you really think that such end result for Ukraine, couldn't be reached without loosing so many Ukrainian lives? What do you think was in that written response in 2021 before all this started? Would you want Russia to declassify and publicize it? Because i doubt the US would do it in the next 50 or so years.

Here, this will help you getting perspective

For the advances...

https://www.amazon.com/Microscopes/b?ie=UTF8&node=499170



For the costs...

and pretty much everywhere else:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DoryaDVBMU

Oh, the little troll helping the little lier

Yeah... keep talking then babies, it is clear that you do not believe what you write here. I hope your pay is good enough

Now, there seems to be protests in Krasnodar (Ruzzia) due to power cuts. It seems related to problems in the nuclear facility nearby, I hope Ruzzia does not fart on the world ... once again making Ruzzias problems someone else's problems ("Ukraine did" it or whatever the excuse is).

Re Zelensky's "political suicide", the person is not that relevant. A true peace that leaves Ukraine with means of defence and most of the territory intact, with access to sea, is not ideal, but there is still a country named "Ukraine" with all the means required to be a viable nation.

Again, peace itself is desirable, but the question is what peace. A good peace gets statues of Zelensky in the city square and peace for decades, a bad peace gets you another war in 5 years.

No matter what anyone says, the Russian army is still advancing in the north.

Why so slow, or....

Russia was so confident that they'd be able to steam roll Ukraine, take Kyiev, kill Zelensky, etc. that before they invaded in Feb, they had already planned a parade for that May and even packed special uniforms to wear in the parade.

They even made it illegal to call it a war.  It was just a special operation.  No big deal.  The global general consensus was maybe it would take 3 weeks for Kiev to fall, probably two though.

Imagine if you could go back in time and tell Russians that in 2024, Putin would travel to North Korea to beg for weapons and rumors of a second mobilization were starting to spread



What do you think he would say^^^^

He didn't really have anything to make a bet on. It's all he can do to stay focused on his dreams, and his goal of subverting people to the dark side (Deep State).

His two main problems are his greed and his fear. His greed moves him to want others to keep on fighting so that he can pick up whatever pieces are left after the fight. His fear is grounded in the possibility that the fighters might wake up and come after him.

Anybody can have fear. But when they will not turn aside from their greedy ways, that's when it's time to look for their condemnation.

In this war, he understands that Ukraine is lost. He also might understand that Russia is simply passing its time, even though it looks like it is fighting. Ukraine threw everything it could at Russia, and barely made a dent. That's a big problem for Zelensky.

Note that, when this war is over, this thread will no longer be wanted.


Zelensky Risks 'Political Suicide' If He Negotiates Peace With Moscow, Ukraine Official Warn

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zelensky-risks-political-suicide-if-he-negotiates-peace-moscow-ukraine-official-warns
We reported earlier that the Ukrainian side seemed to react positively to former President Donald Trump's phone call with President Zelensky on Friday, as the Republican nominee for president conveyed that upon taking the White House his priority will be to explore achieving peace with Russia.

Trump wrote in the call aftermath that "I, as your next President of the United States, will bring peace to the world and end the war that has cost so many lives and devastated countless innocent families." He added that "Both sides will be able to come together and negotiate a deal that ends the violence and paves a path forward to prosperity."

But some influential Ukrainian officials are already warning Zelensky against too hastily taking to the negotiating table. Zelensky has in the past consistently rejected the idea of sitting down with Moscow, and has openly stated he intends to refuse so long as Putin is leader of Russia.

But amid ongoing devastating troop losses, lack of artillery ammunition compared to much better-armed Russian forces, and a general war fatigue setting in, Zelensky could eventually welcome the kind of opening toward peace that a potential Trump presidency provides.

Kyiv's mayor said on Sunday that Zelensky risks "political suicide" should he pursue a peace deal which ends in Ukraine ceding territory to Russia.

Mayor Vitali Klitschko said in an interview with the Italian daily Corriere della Sera on Sunday:

"How can we explain to the country that we need to give up pieces of our territory that cost the lives of thousands of our fighting heroes? Whatever move he makes, our president risks political suicide."

He admitted that the coming few months will be "very difficult" for Zelensky, and that the Ukrainian populace will want a say in the country's fate. So the scenario of holding a referendum on the question of a deal with Moscow would be likely at some future point.

"I don't think he can reach such painful and important agreements on his own without popular legitimization," Klitschko said of the question of territorial concessions. He said this could be a "way out" for Zelensky, as well as the creation of a national unity government.
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What a silly claim, and how much are you going to put where your mouth is? When is anything current Ukrainian president/government promised going to happen? Any timelines on the bridge, Crimea, or 1991 borders? Any bets on how long that UA law about no negotiations with Putin will stand? Bottom line is Russia continues to take more land everyday, and the only comeback to that is, why so slow?   well, they got to climb over hundreds billions of dollars that were flooded into UA
Now orange man is likely to become the next US president, and with his selected VP it's clear that he doesn't want to inherit the Ukrainian quagmire, and there's little reason for him to break his promises and get sucked into it instead of just writing it off on a previous president, and concentrating on internal politics. Europe didn't want any of this in the first place but was dragged in by US with Nuland's cookies, so all Europe can do now is posturing while hoping that this goes away one way or the other as fast as possible.

Are you going to keep talking "Texan" or are you going to put your money where you mouth is "baby"?

Okay, now, relax... or in your case, relapse.

The exact things that Russia and Ukraine do depend on all kinds of circumstances. Nobody knows what will happen next. But you know this. So...

It isn't your fault that Ukraine is losing as badly as it is. So, relax. I mean, you will have a hard time biting yourself in the small of the back. Just like you will have a hard time refuting the fact of the Russian Black Sea corridor. So, learn to live with it.

Or you could pick up arms and go fight with Ukraine... and learn to die with it.

So... bitcoin to back that or just another of you slogans?

Is Ruzzia going to take Kharkiv in the next month? You say there is no obstacle - How sure are you of that?
Is Ruzzia going to take Odessa in the next month? You say there is no obstacle - How sure are you of that?

I am going to make it veeeery easy for you now: do you think that Sebastopol, in Ruzzian occupied Crimea since 2014, will have more than 10 Ruzzian military ships in the next month at any single day. Comm'on... is Ruzzia in Ruzzian occupied since 2014 territory and can be verified by open source. I cannot make it any easier for you...

Comm'on "baby", be a man (o whatever the f*ck you are) and own your shit.

Poor baby. Don't you even see that in this whole war, Ukraine hasn't been able to take its land back? Nothing has stopped Russia from getting its Black Sea corridor. And nothing has stopped them from holding it. They don't want to destroy Ukraine, or even conquer it. They would if they wanted to. Just like they took the corridor.

So, nothing stopping Ruzzia now... ok, would you like to put your bitcoin where your mouth is?

I just want to check if you believe anything of what you are posting here in the forum. My guess is probably not even half of it.

I get it. You answer all of Branko's posts without even looking at them. Didn't you see the map at post # 6770 above? Is Branko supposed to fix the map with some kind of a scope so that you can actually see individual soldiers?

As Ukraine's military is broken at these points, there is nothing left to stop Russia from rolling right on into Ukraine the rest of the way if she wants. All Russia really wants is the Black Sea corridor. But with the obstinate fighting being done by Ukraine, Russia just might roll on through her to force peace.