Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 47. (Read 75532 times)

Borrell yesterday at the NATO summit complained that Putin was so successful in brainwashing that in African countries Russia is considered the liberator of Donbass. And that cognitive warfare needs to be waged more effectively, and all the wrong people who disagree with the Ministry of Truth need to be reprogrammed. Are you sure you weren't brainwashed?

Update:

I recommend reading the very informative essay by George Soros, “Toward a New World Order: The Future of NATO.” Soros is a brilliant architect of the future, capable of achieving great results with relatively little effort.


It is interesting that already in 1993 Soros foresaw the current war of the collective West against Russia “to the last Ukrainian.”

You and the like are so brainwashed that you wouldn't see the truth even if you looked it directly in the eye. Your "good Russians" in white gloves have so far committed crimes that can be characterized as monstrous, because you not only kill children in front of the eyes of the whole world, but also kidnap them and take them to Russia.

You can write fake history as much as you want, but history will remember you as aggressors, destroyers, murderers, rapists and liars. Countless pictures and videos of what remains when your heroes in white gloves destroy everything in front of them are there for the whole world to see what you are doing - in the meantime, you in Russia watch your propaganda creations about how you are liberating Europe from Nazism, and you are no better than the Nazis against which you once fought.

Any high-intensity military conflict is inhumane in its essence; war is dirt, blood and shit. And any humanitarian mission, if desired, can easily find traces of war crimes, on both sides. But don’t even try to convince me that Russia is intentionally and systematically committing war crimes in Ukraine, because Russia is conducting this special operation with white gloves. This is especially evident against the backdrop of Israel's operation in Gaza.

On the previous page I posted an interesting link that you ignored. It’s about the trial of a Czech mercenary, who fought on the side of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, for looting in Bucha in 2022. Check it out, it’s very informative. If you don't know Czech, use an online translator.


If you want to talk about Syria, let's do it in the topic about Syria. I know what Russia is doing there and on what basis. And the United States has some serious questions about what they are doing in Syria and on what basis.

Russia also has a military prosecutor’s office and it is now working tirelessly, both in Ukraine and Syria.

There is no doubt about the origin, target nor where the order came from. All this attempt to make it look a false flag are just ridiculous.

It is not the first time, Ruzzia hit a primary school in Kherson and there are videos of "drone practice" in the same are hitting just random civilian vehicles that simply happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. In Kharkov, they have been shelling the city for nearly a month, all civilian sites.

I guess that if I publish here the KH=101 image captured just in the moment of the strike you will start saying that is not real or whatever, so I will not bother, it is out there for anyone interested.

It is a modus operandi and if you resident trolls want to keep supporting Ruzzia at least do not fool yourself into believing that Ruzzia is anything but this type of inhuman grinding machine. Bucha, the strikes on shopping centers, schools,... it is all over Ukraine and have no doubt it will be thoroughly documented for history. It is obviously not the first time because is a system that believes in control by terror.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2016/03/syrian-and-russian-forces-targeting-hospitals-as-a-strategy-of-war/

The Norwegian anti-aircraft missile AIM-120 has a warhead of 20 kg in TNT equivalent, this is quite enough to cut the facade of a building with shrapnel, in fact, this is exactly how anti-aircraft missiles work, which is clearly visible in your video. By the way, none of the children in the hospital died, that is
The damage to the building's façade is extensive but superficial.

The Russian Kh-101 missile has a warhead of 400 kg in TNT equivalent, and the missile itself is about 7 meters long. Everyone has the right to draw their own conclusions. In my opinion, this is another provocation by the Ukrainian Psychological Operations Center, timed to coincide with the anniversary NATO summit. However, the Russian missile attack on Kyiv itself was also timed to coincide with the anniversary NATO summit in order to show the collective West the pointlessness of supplying more and more Patriot divisions to Ukraine, because they cannot even cope with the defense of Kyiv. I think that those six missiles in a row that flew to the Artyom military plant hit absolutely nothing, it was just a show of force. Boring.

The video of the one that hit that hospital seemed to come from a higher altitude with a steeper trajectory than what you would expect from a Kh-101 but it did have the payload required to demolish a building that size whereas one of those Norweigan ones have too small a payload to do that amount of damage they are showing publicly although it is hard to get a decent look at the damage close up to see exactly where it struck. Also there looked to be some fragmentation in one photo I saw on twitter that could allow a counter argument but in countering you would also have to explain how so much damage could be done with a much lesser payload in one of those Norweigan missiles and I think further up on his channel he is making mention to the AIM-120 but didn't translate it to be fair so not 100% sure he was saying it was an AIM-120.

Anyway any claim that the missile was an AIM-120 ignores the jet engine prominently hanging from the empennage of the missile that is a highly visible feature present on the Kh-101, but not on the AIM-120. Also the wings in the mid-section of the missile that hit the hospital are a mismatch for those on an AIM-120. Also the nose of the AIM-120 is much sharper.

At the end of the day only the person at the point of origin knows exactly what hit it but it is unlikely it was something thrown into the mix outside of what came in with the Russian missiles due to it striking alongside other targets nearby at the same time so that would rule out a 3rd option as there has been other types of rumint across the public interwebs. Anyway I ain't no expert on these matters so your guess is as good as mine but my guess is that it just hit the wrong target somehow whether it was knocked off course or there was some miscalculation, miscommunication before it was deployed or some technical issue en route because there would be no incentive to hit a children's hospital due to the level of condemnation it would bring along with providing other pretexts to the opposing side but in war who knows but to date the Russians haven't levelled Ukraine so I am guessing it was an error on their part or a technical issue .



This is the best footage in the public domain I could find https://t.me/Tsaplienko/56581 (For anyone who doesn't want to use app that requires phone number registration just hit context tab to view full telegram users channel)

I think I already said recently that frozen Russian assets are almost impossible to confiscate. And the main reason for this, of course, is not the lack of compelling legal justifications, because the necessary laws, if desired, can be adopted, including those with retroactive force. The main problem is that Europe is afraid as hell of losing the trust of Middle Eastern (and Chinese) investors.

ps Even with the confiscation of proceeds from frozen assets, there are legal problems and political risks, so Euroclear has retained a significant portion of these proceeds to spend on defending against potential lawsuits.

Its almost as if attack was made by those that have such interest (supply west weapons to Ukraine)
But that would be horrible thought, killing your own people for more money and weapons.
I'm sure only RuZZian orks would do such evil act, uSSa is democracy and good guys

Maybe the West has 10 times the nukes as Russia. All that means is that the world isn't large enough. We need a bigger world so that West nukes can be displayed appropriately. Meanwhile, Russian nukes will take out what's left of Ukraine before Russia is destroyed.

The more Russia strikes such terrible ones as at a hospital, the more weapons the West will supply to Ukrainians. The Kremlin makes life difficult for itself.

I don’t know a simple practical way to distinguish your links from mine, because I have a telegram app installed on my computer and any telegram links, including yours, open in it.

You do not have to use telegram to see the links I sent, you can see these in a browser. You have to go to the app for the ones you sent.

I have decent information of military events in the front and the politics in Europe and US and I do read what the Kremlin says - it is not censored, it is easy to access.

I saw how Naendra Modi (Indian prime minister) told Putin that "he is not really in favour of killing children", but I can obviously understand that India is super happy importing Ruzzian oil and other stuff.... at the right price and while getting US weapons. Like Türkiye (AKA Turkey) is NATO, but is ok with Ruzzia or Argentina is Neo-Lib but they are ok with Ruzzia and Brazil is ok with Ruzzia, but much busier with other stuff... Frankly, all this is not that difficult to understand nor analyse.

Nah, I am not in a bubble, and I am not blinded to the problems of BOTH sides. There is an evident push from some countries to try to close the war - war is bad for most business and I am guessing one of those is China that has a real state credit crunch the size of an elephant. There is no clear advantage to either side mostly because the US is only allowing Ukraine to play with very limited options. Personally, I am not sure this attitude is sufficiently deterrence for a future war, but...

https://www.reuters.com/world/modi-tells-putin-that-death-innocent-children-is-very-painful-2024-07-09/


RE elections, you are taking a lot of things for granted. There is no indication that Zelensky would loose an election nor any indication (other than "Kremlin saying so") that he would be replaced with a pro-Putin president (it might actually be Zaluzhnyi). I would not bet he house on that happening.

As for the rest... border open, Ukraine for grabs.... wet dreams, you should simply try Ruzzian porn, is one of the few products that world really appreciates.

While you dream the f16s seem to be arriving along the next month - I do not bet the house on it, but it is looking more and more likely. There is a virtually unlimited supply of f16, many air forces would rather sell them and get something more modern, there is a pipeline of Ukrainian pilots being trained,... My guess is that the cost of the war for Ruzzia will climb another notch when they start being active.

It’s difficult for me to understand your logic, according to which you refuse to watch the video on Telegram, the link to which you yourself asked for, and at the same time in the same message you yourself link to the video on Telegram. The only reasonable explanation for this is that you are tightly sealed in an information bubble that covers one side of events and completely ignores the other. In this case, you are an uninteresting interlocutor.

You are right, it is extremely unprofitable for Ukraine to conclude a peace agreement this fall. Then presidential elections will have to be held, during which Zelensky will lose power, and most importantly, the border will have to be opened and Ukraine will lose the remnants of its mobilization potential. After this, Ukraine can be taken with bare hands. Anyone who hopes for a quick end to this conflict this year is an idiot. This topic will be at least five hundred pages long.

^^^ The few Saheds that don't get through, that is.     

Yes, that is the current narrative. Ruzzia understands that taking much more land is just not going to happen, while there is certainty that Ukraine will continue blasting anything that looks like an oil facility and it is no more than 1500 km from Ukraine. Also, the seizing of Ruzzian assets is a very real possibility despite Saudis making threats to Europe and US.

Putin put forward a "peace=surrender" plan that makes no sense, but many leaders in the world would be ok with a peace right now and may be pressing for some end to the conflict.

I think Ukraine is not yet safe from Ruzzia trying it again in 5 years - with better preparation probably - so anything that leaves Ukraine outside NATO would be a terrible deal.


Yes they have and have been using it for more than a year, you are an ill-informed psychopath. It is a combination of low-tech AAA, low tech adapted planes, jets and no so low-tech detection systems and it is stopping Iranian Saheds nearly every day.

Drone usage in war is a newish thing. Russia is developing drone protection. Then Russia will start its own drone campaign against Ukraine. Does Ukraine have drone protection?

There is narrative that Ukraine should negotiate with Russia for the peace. But here is one more reason why it's not solution:
https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1811064572154958141
https://t.me/medvedev_telegram/515
Offcourse, Medvedev isn't someone who makes decisions, but in general, these words one more time shows that all these things like peace treaty, declarations and similar stuff is worthless thing.

If you think is not right, do not make it look like you are saying it is ok because others did it before.

I disagree. I do not kill children and I am not sure who "you" is in your statement. I do not agree nor have agreed in the past with many of the actions of many of the governments in the world. I do not relativize killing ill children and I can clearly see that Ruzzia is using that type of terror just as another "tool" of the war.


There is not rule saying I have to use the app you choose to show stuff, particularly if you are sending me to a group I do not know.

Today there were a number of Ukrainian strikes in a power station https://t.me/kiber_boroshno/8961 refineries. You do not need the Telegram app to see this one. Nor this oil facility https://t.me/vlgchp/17220,  or here https://t.me/mysiagin/29605.


It is becoming so common that I just do not bother to post. Just assume drones are hitting oil depots and training grounds everyday inside Ruzzia and you will be mostly right.

What's really funny is asking for a proof link, and then refusing to click on it and pretending it doesn't exist. And what is really a "vranyo" is to draw on the screenshot from the video the sustainer engine for the AIM-120 anti-aircraft missile from the NASAMS complex in order to try to pass it off as a Russian X-101 cruise missile.

ps The Czech Republic's good, high-quality fake himars are also able to move on the roads themselves, and then burn for a long time after defeat - just like the real ones..

But in real war, who is going to force anybody to respect not hitting hospitals? Dead people in hospitals are not any different than dead people in petroleum refineries. Stop the war altogether.