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^^^ Seems that the world money powers want Russia to win, just to be the new financial center of the world.

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Those are the same who pay for the campaigns of the lawmakers who approved for more weapons to be sent to Kiev, so I think your theory does not make sense at all. If those in charge of much of the money wanted Russia to get its way, then they would not continue to fund the election of officials who are willing to continue to send weaponry to Ukraine for her defense from the invaders. That is what Russia is, an invader.
Also, You cannot be serious when you refer to Russia as the future world economical and financial center of the world, Russian economy is extremely small, even countries like Italy get more money annually than Russia. It is a country which wants to be perceived internationally as a giant and powerful republic, like China, when in reality it is a pretty empty big and desolated country with many people living in misery and hooked to drugs coming from Afghanistan and the rest of Asia.
If Russia did not have the backing of China (an actual super power), it would be just like north korea, a second world irrelevant country with nukes.

Where do the money and weapons go? Many of them go to Russia throguh capture or on the black market.

The financial powers wouldn't have sanctioned Russia if they truly wanted to stop her. She has only become stronger through the sanctions.

A gun in the hands of a teenager gives the teen a lot of strength to fight off others, even if the otheers have guns. Russia has nukes.

What better place to relocate the finance center of the world than a small country with top-notch nukes? Russia has nukes for protection, and owns Siberia. She's just starting.

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Under that logic the investors and the most powerful companies on the planet would be looking forward to establish their headquarters in north Korea, that won't happen only because it is a small nation with advanced nukes. It does not make sense in any way.

Also, because of the sanctions Russia has been selling oil and gas under the price of the market to clients in countries with a high rate of energy consumption, like India and China. I even recall India benefited from it by buying Russian oil and reselling at international prices to Europe and United States, that means Russia has lost significant amounts of cash and liquidity because it has started to get excluded from the rest of the planet. Again, it was not for China (which is an actual super power) the weak Russian economy would be already underground and with negative numbers.
Having nukes does not mean a country is a economically powerful country, even a banana republic like Cuba could have managed to have their own nuclear weapons with the backing of the Soviet Union back in the day.
legendary
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^^^ Seems that the world money powers want Russia to win, just to be the new financial center of the world.

Cool

Those are the same who pay for the campaigns of the lawmakers who approved for more weapons to be sent to Kiev, so I think your theory does not make sense at all. If those in charge of much of the money wanted Russia to get its way, then they would not continue to fund the election of officials who are willing to continue to send weaponry to Ukraine for her defense from the invaders. That is what Russia is, an invader.
Also, You cannot be serious when you refer to Russia as the future world economical and financial center of the world, Russian economy is extremely small, even countries like Italy get more money annually than Russia. It is a country which wants to be perceived internationally as a giant and powerful republic, like China, when in reality it is a pretty empty big and desolated country with many people living in misery and hooked to drugs coming from Afghanistan and the rest of Asia.
If Russia did not have the backing of China (an actual super power), it would be just like north korea, a second world irrelevant country with nukes.

Where do the money and weapons go? Many of them go to Russia throguh capture or on the black market.

The financial powers wouldn't have sanctioned Russia if they truly wanted to stop her. She has only become stronger through the sanctions.

A gun in the hands of a teenager gives the teen a lot of strength to fight off others, even if the otheers have guns. Russia has nukes.

What better place to relocate the finance center of the world than a small country with top-notch nukes? Russia has nukes for protection, and owns Siberia. She's just starting.

Cool
legendary
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^^^ Seems that the world money powers want Russia to win, just to be the new financial center of the world.

Cool

Those are the same who pay for the campaigns of the lawmakers who approved for more weapons to be sent to Kiev, so I think your theory does not make sense at all. If those in charge of much of the money wanted Russia to get its way, then they would not continue to fund the election of officials who are willing to continue to send weaponry to Ukraine for her defense from the invaders. That is what Russia is, an invader.
Also, You cannot be serious when you refer to Russia as the future world economical and financial center of the world, Russian economy is extremely small, even countries like Italy get more money annually than Russia. It is a country which wants to be perceived internationally as a giant and powerful republic, like China, when in reality it is a pretty empty big and desolated country with many people living in misery and hooked to drugs coming from Afghanistan and the rest of Asia.
If Russia did not have the backing of China (an actual super power), it would be just like north korea, a second world irrelevant country with nukes.
legendary
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^^^ Seems that the world money powers want Russia to win, just to be the new financial center of the world.

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Russia’s Budget Is Getting Twice as Much Oil Money as a Year Ago
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Yes, Ukraine may now be able to fix that along next year with "weapons that do not work" and "are not useful", "do not change anything", etc... But, and this is the big but, it cannot be before the US elections. People do not vote for leaders that make their life more expensive. Elections are in November. I am sure you can figure out along with your trolls in the farm when the veto is no longer.

BTW funny how the same source may say two different things time with just 8 days of difference.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-14/russia-s-oil-exports-fall-to-their-lowest-level-in-two-months

Ukraine is a tragedy in itself, but it is also a proxy.

Once again, accusing the other player on the table to be better at cheating? Who made Ukraine a proxy? Who took Crimea in 2014 and the f**k did Ruzzia think was going to happen after? Well... what ever Putin thought, he got it wrong.


Is this the humour pages?

If so, I got a better joke... how does a Ruzzian soldier surrender? By asking the drone for mercy:

https://t.me/officer_alex33/2831



Will Ukraine survive till November? How many more soldiers do you think Zelenskyy is willing to loose to play in US politics?

It gets even funnier if you read the whole thing
Shipments from the Baltic terminals, which were in line with a partial loading program for May seen by Bloomberg, may reflect deeper output cuts promised by Moscow to its partners in the OPEC+ group of oil producers.
Weekly shipments were about 270,000 barrels a day below a target for this month that’s part of the OPEC+ alliance’s broader effort to curb supplies and support prices. The four-week average was about 10,000 barrels a day below target.
The Kremlin also agreed to make deeper cuts to oil production, trimming volumes to about 9.1 million barrels a day from April. Output was cut by about 150,000 barrels a day last month, according to figures published by the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries. Moscow still missed its goal though, pumping about 319,000 barrels a day more than agreed, according to Bloomberg calculations based on official Russian data.

It's almost as if Moscow is punishing Biden, and Ukraine is helping them  
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Russia’s Budget Is Getting Twice as Much Oil Money as a Year Ago
[...]

Yes, Ukraine may now be able to fix that along next year with "weapons that do not work" and "are not useful", "do not change anything", etc... But, and this is the big but, it cannot be before the US elections. People do not vote for leaders that make their life more expensive. Elections are in November. I am sure you can figure out along with your trolls in the farm when the veto is no longer.

BTW funny how the same source may say two different things time with just 8 days of difference.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-14/russia-s-oil-exports-fall-to-their-lowest-level-in-two-months

Ukraine is a tragedy in itself, but it is also a proxy.

Once again, accusing the other player on the table to be better at cheating? Who made Ukraine a proxy? Who took Crimea in 2014 and the f**k did Ruzzia think was going to happen after? Well... what ever Putin thought, he got it wrong.


Is this the humour pages?

If so, I got a better joke... how does a Ruzzian soldier surrender? By asking the drone for mercy:

https://t.me/officer_alex33/2831

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Roll Eyes thought we all agreed that the idea that China would let Russia financially collapse was just silly and would go against everything we've seen happening so far

Even sane Putin opponents know that

https://youtu.be/9nVxWDblwvw

although in the end of video he's trying to scare EU for his own gain
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 "Goebbels out".


Nice, you finally recognize it for what it is

Yes, western armament "does not work", "it is not useful", Ukraine "cannot damage Ruzzia" and this is "Goebbels out". Next episode, "Stalin was a nice person".

It works for you, it just doesn't work for Ukraine...beware of Englishmen even when he gives you gift, as old Balkan proverb says

Perhaps you should let Ukraine decide what works for Ukraine and quit the pan-Slavic nationalism that never worked for anyone.

Back to where it hurts: From "Europe will freeze" to "we will just sell gas to China" and finally "Uppps we are broke".
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/gazprom-loss-shows-struggle-fill-eu-gas-sales-gap-with-china-2024-05-13/


Russia’s Budget Is Getting Twice as Much Oil Money as a Year Ago

Russia’s oil revenue more than doubled in April from a year earlier, despite international sanctions intended to limit the flow of money to fuel President Vladimir Putin’s war in Ukraine.
Proceeds for the Russian budget from oil-related taxes jumped to 1.053 trillion rubles ($11.5 billion) last month compared to nearly 497 billion rubles in April 2023, according to Bloomberg calculations based on Finance Ministry data. Total oil and gas revenues in April increased nearly 90% year-on-year, to 1.23 trillion rubles, according to the data.
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Roll Eyes thought we all agreed that the idea that China would let Russia financially collapse was just silly and would go against everything we've seen happening so far
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Even influential MSM in UK admit its west proxy war in Ukraine...lets give paxmao few more months, I guess:

https://twitter.com/themacrostory/status/1792060655144665581

“Putin & Xi Jinping's show of combined strength, rise of Russian-style policies in Georgia, serve as a timely reminder to Ukraine's allies. Ukraine is a tragedy in itself, but it is also a proxy.
 If the West weakens its resolve, Russia and China will resist more strongly what they called last week "the so-called dual containment of our countries."


meanwhile, support of Ukraine war costs Italy its crown jewels:

https://www.barrons.com/news/buried-in-massive-debt-italy-puts-crown-jewels-up-for-sale-9d7ff176

UK doesn't fare better, it seems

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11454513/Tesco-puts-security-tags-four-pint-cartons-milk-cost-living-crisis-drives-shoplifting.html

Keep that money pouring into corrupt Ukraine
legendary
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 "Goebbels out".


Nice, you finally recognize it for what it is

Yes, western armament "does not work", "it is not useful", Ukraine "cannot damage Ruzzia" and this is "Goebbels out". Next episode, "Stalin was a nice person".

It works for you, it just doesn't work for Ukraine...beware of Englishmen even when he gives you gift, as old Balkan proverb says

Perhaps you should let Ukraine decide what works for Ukraine and quit the pan-Slavic nationalism that never worked for anyone.

Back to where it hurts: From "Europe will freeze" to "we will just sell gas to China" and finally "Uppps we are broke".
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/gazprom-loss-shows-struggle-fill-eu-gas-sales-gap-with-china-2024-05-13/

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Gazprom loss shows struggle to fill EU gas sales gap with China
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Kremlin-owned energy kingpin Gazprom (GAZP.MM), opens new tab, once Russia's most profitable company, could face a long period of poor performance as it struggles to fill the gap of lost European gas sales with its domestic market and Chinese exports.
The company recently announced an annual net loss of $7 billion, its first since 1999, following a steep decline in trade with Europe.
Gazprom's troubles reflect the deep impact the European sanctions have had on Russia's gas industry, as well as the limitations of Moscow's growing partnership with China.

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Gazprom plans to sell its North Sea assets at a starting price of 344 mln euros — company
Applications can be submitted from March 1, the date of bidding and announcement of the winner is June 6, 2024
MOSCOW, March 1. /TASS/. Gazprom plans to sell its assets in the North Sea, the initial price of assets is 344 mln euros, the company announced in a statement.

Gazprom International Limited has launched a competitive procedure for the sale of assets by placing the corresponding application on the electronic trading platform of Gazprombank. Applications can be submitted from March 1, the date of bidding and announcement of the winner is June 6, 2024. In particular, the company plans to sell 50% in a joint venture with Wintershall Dea Nederland Asset Holding B.V. in the company Wintershall Noordzee B.V (WINZ) and 100% in the subsidiary Gazprom International UK Limited, which owns a share in the consortium to develop the Sillimanite deposit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/economy/comments/1cp4oq0/putins_crown_jewel_forced_into_fire_sale_amid/

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Putin's crown jewel forced into fire sale amid record losses. Gazprom, the energy giant at the heart of Russia's economy, has announced it is selling property in Moscow, one week after posting record losses linked to restricted supplies to Europe due to Putin's invasion of Ukraine.




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 "Goebbels out".


Nice, you finally recognize it for what it is

Yes, western armament "does not work", "it is not useful", Ukraine "cannot damage Ruzzia" and this is "Goebbels out". Next episode, "Stalin was a nice person".

It works for you, it just doesn't work for Ukraine...beware of Englishmen even when he gives you gift, as old Balkan proverb says
legendary
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Do not die for Putin

 "Goebbels out".


Nice, you finally recognize it for what it is

Yes, western armament "does not work", "it is not useful", Ukraine "cannot damage Ruzzia" and this is "Goebbels out". Next episode, "Stalin was a nice person".

Edited to add:

https://tass.com/world/1747717

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Germany to spend 15 bn euros on support for Ukraine in 2024 alone — Scholz
According to the chancellor, more than 7 billion euros worth of weapons is envisioned in 2024 and another 6 billion euros is due in several years to come
BERLIN, February 16. /TASS/. Germany will allocate 15 billion euros to support Ukraine this year alone, including over 7 billion euros in arms supplies, Chancellor Olaf Scholz said in an interview with Sueddeutsche Zeitung.

"We will spend 15 billion euros this year alone to support Ukraine. This is a big effort," he said. According to the chancellor, more than 7 billion euros worth of weapons is envisioned in 2024 and another 6 billion euros is due in several years to come.

(Propaganda of course... this "is not true", the weapons "will not work" or will be "destroyed before they arrive" and "will not be enough". Next episode "Putin is not a fascist".
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 "Goebbels out".


Nice, you finally recognize it for what it is
legendary
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There is no news about this war anymore unless Congress will once again need to send money to Zelenski. That's the only time this war will be flashed on TV. They keep praising Ukraine is winning but their lands were taken by Russians which if you are not as updated as getting all the channels that talk about this war, you wouldn't know who is winning.

So far the only confirmed information is that Russia is already taking Kharkiv. If a person thinks independently, this info already tells the Russians are winning.
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Sounds like Goebbels bragging about damage V2s caused to London

Sounds like Ukraine is able to hit where it hurts. You can kill 10.000 Ruzzian servicement (which seems to be the case this week), you can destroy as many T-72 as you want... none of that affects Putin nor the elites. They could not care less for how many soldiers die.

But there is something that does hurt: oil and weapons that are not replaceable (e.g. Mig-31, which Ruzzia has lost the capacity to produce) and ships, which are replaceable but takes years and it is costly. This is the right strategy, not something for show.

I know you are far to brainwashed to see beyond you filters but this is no bragging, this is an strategic change in which Ukraine, from having to simply cope with Ruzzian missiles, now can and will hit refineries, oil terminals, ships, airframes and anything in 1500 km from their area of control they feel like hitting.

If you do not see this as a new reality, that is you failing to see, not anyone else's problem.

BTW, I would like to verify the latest claim: Project 266M, a minesweeper ship seems to be now a seafood habitat. Along with the crew.



There seems to be fires still or maybe new? burning in Novorossiysk...
https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/map/#d:24hrs;l:fires_all,topo;@37.84,44.73,11.29z

Just a few million. Nothing big. Putin will not care about the crew, but might care about the Black Sea feet shrinking, one ship after another.

It seems that the troops on which a French "Hammer" bomb "did not work" on Kadyrov's troops in the abandoned hospital mentioned in my previous post. Tens of them have been killed by the Ukrainian aviation "not being able to fly" and the western supplies "not working".

 "Goebbels out".


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I don't know but from what I see in world news no one cares more that much about this war and this has passed in 2nd page,in the front page of the news now there is Israeli war against Palestine which many claims they are bypassing every single limit in what is a war of defense,many are protesting yet the Israelis claims they have the right to defend the attack that happened in the 7 October and for many they are also right.I am neutral in such war but what I want to emphasize is that most people in the world now are more interested as what Israeli backed by US is doing rather than having again interest in a war longer than 2 years now in Ukraine which we don't know how will end.The world is becoming a very vomiting place as these wars has a clear intention both of them,ethnic cleansing and land claiming.
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Interestingly... nearly no glide bombs attacks mapped today across the OSINT mappers out there.

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How would Trump gain at least to a point my respect? If Ruzzia were to give a meaningful chunk of he Ukrainian land they have taken. ...
'("meaningful" could cover up to 30 km of Moscow)' - you're just all kinds of confused now aren't you?

Nope. I will repeat it for you: meaningful could be anything, e.g. 30 km from Moscow. If Trump achieves that I promise will give BA 300 merit (50 a month, 6 months). If he achieves it while serving in prison for fraud, as he should, I will give 1000 merit to BA and donate 500 US in bitcoin for his re-election (I think he plans to be president 3 or 4 times).

...Calling the young is a difficult decision, but they would eventually be used by Ruzzia later to fight for them in the next war, so anyway they are going to have to fight....

Ukraine was able to do some damage, that means something right? But as everyone understands in a war what's important is if damaged caused is more than damage received (multiplied by difference in resources). Which you conveniently leave out from all of your posts. Even if Kyiv was completely surrounded and on it's last leg, coverage of some ATACMS blowing something up in Russia with pretty satellite pictures would be all you need to continue to push women and younger blood to the font lines. After all, it's either they'll die now or they'll die fighting for Putin later, you'd like that to be their only options right? And I think we can all see what you'd prefer  Roll Eyes  

As far as 30km of Moscow now somehow being a meaningful chunk of Ukrainian land Russia has taken, i'm just hoping it's a language thing for you and you haven't gone completely mad from the recent events on the front line.

Sounds like Goebbels bragging about damage V2s caused to London
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Interestingly... nearly no glide bombs attacks mapped today across the OSINT mappers out there.

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How would Trump gain at least to a point my respect? If Ruzzia were to give a meaningful chunk of he Ukrainian land they have taken. ...
'("meaningful" could cover up to 30 km of Moscow)' - you're just all kinds of confused now aren't you?

Nope. I will repeat it for you: meaningful could be anything, e.g. 30 km from Moscow. If Trump achieves that I promise will give BA 300 merit (50 a month, 6 months). If he achieves it while serving in prison for fraud, as he should, I will give 1000 merit to BA and donate 500 US in bitcoin for his re-election (I think he plans to be president 3 or 4 times).

...Calling the young is a difficult decision, but they would eventually be used by Ruzzia later to fight for them in the next war, so anyway they are going to have to fight....

Ukraine was able to do some damage, that means something right? But as everyone understands in a war what's important is if damaged caused is more than damage received (multiplied by difference in resources). Which you conveniently leave out from all of your posts. Even if Kyiv was completely surrounded and on it's last leg, coverage of some ATACMS blowing something up in Russia with pretty satellite pictures would be all you need to continue to push women and younger blood to the font lines. After all, it's either they'll die now or they'll die fighting for Putin later, you'd like that to be their only options right? And I think we can all see what you'd prefer  Roll Eyes  

As far as 30km of Moscow now somehow being a meaningful chunk of Ukrainian land Russia has taken, i'm just hoping it's a language thing for you and you haven't gone completely mad from the recent events on the front line.
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It was either carefully planned or it was a miracle there were no casualties during this attack, to be honest. Here in my country I have witnessed accidents which were derived from gas leaks and explosions at refineries and it is truly like opening a gate to hell. Those fortunate ones are immediately taken by the flames and the most unfortunate ones are left alive with scars out of comprehension. Whatever... I assume the attack as labeled as a failure because the Russian assume the objective of Kiev was to maximize casualties, instead burning that fuel and destroying infrastructure in the Russian side.
Russia will always have fuel to extract and refinez but recovering infrastructure is quite a different task to carry out. Takes more time and resources.

I am not sure there were no casualties, that is nearly impossible to verify.

Now, 18/may/2023, there is some evidence of another wave of successful (or "repelled" according to Ruzzia) ATACAMS and drone attacks in Sebastopol and other parts of the territory controlled by Putin. Seems like Ukraine is being very effective in combining the expensive ATACAMS with the relatively inexpensive low-tech solutions created in Ukraine to maximum effect.

The front in Kharkiv seems quite stable as the mechanised means and waves of Ruzzia have more difficult logistics and the Ruzzians do not try much in the form of advance in the donbas area. I will try to find some videos of todays events.

Edit: Oh... recent news, it seems that the glide bombs, that "do not work" have just "not worked" on a large building (previously a hospital) that the Ruzzians took in the Kharkiv region. Three glide bombs impacted, building (and Ruzzian soldiers inside) are no more.

https://t.me/operinform/22921

But it is fine for some Ruzzis... they get new TVs

https://t.me/rozvidka_noem/8675
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On May 18, 2024, drones attacked at least two oil terminals and two oil bases in Novorossiysk, according to ASTRA sources. The "Novorossiysk Mazutny Terminal" and the "Import Food Industry" terminal were hit, with two fuel reservoirs struck at the latter. Additionally, the Gazprom oil base in Kirillovka and the "Gruzovaya Balaka" TRANSNEFT oil base were also targeted. Despite numerous explosions heard by residents, no casualties were reported. The governor officially declared it a "failed attack by the Ukrainian military," claiming 10 drones were shot down. The port was reportedly left without power.



https://t.me/astrapress/55672


does this look like a failed attack?



500,000 tons of jet fuel -> 0 tons of Jet Fuel.

It was either carefully planned or it was a miracle there were no casualties during this attack, to be honest. Here in my country I have witnessed accidents which were derived from gas leaks and explosions at refineries and it is truly like opening a gate to hell. Those fortunate ones are immediately taken by the flames and the most unfortunate ones are left alive with scars out of comprehension. Whatever... I assume the attack as labeled as a failure because the Russian assume the objective of Kiev was to maximize casualties, instead burning that fuel and destroying infrastructure in the Russian side.
Russia will always have fuel to extract and refinez but recovering infrastructure is quite a different task to carry out. Takes more time and resources.
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