Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 59. (Read 73512 times)

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Upps... you were speaking about the waters claims... Yes, you are right, it seems it has been taken back...

Sorry Branko, you do not get Radioactive Spider powers just yet.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-ministry-proposes-revising-baltic-sea-border-2024-05-22/


The Kremlin seems to have echoed / validated the existence of the proposal for the funding retentions:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kremlin-says-eu-plan-take-revenue-frozen-russian-assets-is-still-theft-2024-05-22/


I am going to give some credibility to this given that:

- A proxy attack was recently taken in Germany.
- UK, France, others are complaining of a ridiculous degree of hacking and infiltration attempts some with economic consequences.
- France is getting geopolitical interests damaged.
- The unilateral territorial waters claim in the Baltic by Ruzzia is short of on an annexation (it is not unusual, but opens the door to all type of problems).

My guess is that the EU is simply increasing the pressure in an asymmetric fashion and is in line with the general strategy of deteriorating the finances of Ruzzia, while not directly robbing the assets but rather not contributing to the war effort passively.

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Bloomberg also writes about it

If that happens you will notice because your skin will be glowing green.


https://www.euractiv.com/section/europe-s-east/news/eu-backs-setting-aside-frozen-russian-assets-profits-for-ukraine/

So, UK will meet Aquaman soon?

Popov, Ruzzian general responsible for las summer defensive campaign and probably a competent leader (to Ruzzian standards), has been arrested accused of fraud, which is kind of the place holder to arrest anyone inconvenient. His sin apparently saying that there might be something better than meat-wave tactics


Ruzzia has started to take the first steps for hybrid war with NATO countries. Ruzzia has unilateraly decided to claim a larger control o waters around the Baltic republics. This usually will lead to Ruzzian ships harassing  Lithuanian, Letonian and Estonian ships creating a permanently tense situation that may lead to escalations as required by Putin´s politics.

So... let´s see when NATO decides it is an attack and triggers 5.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/news/russian-ministry-proposes-revising-baltic-063801728.html

Washington is pushing for WW3. Is this what we really want? Note that it is Zelensky that will soon be marching through Berlin, London, and maybe even New York, if Russia is conquered. (Video available)


The Vietnamization of Ukraine

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https://ronpaulinstitute.org/the-vietnamization-of-ukraine/
Over the weekend, former US State Department official Victoria Nuland told ABC News that the US must help facilitate Ukrainian missile attacks deep inside Russian territory. The Biden Administration has to this point avoided involvement in such attacks, likely because Russian president Vladimir Putin has warned that Russia will strike any facility that supplies or facilitates strikes inside of Russia, wherever they may be.

It's a clear warning from a nuclear power, but as Nuland and her fellow neocons see their Ukraine project failing, they demand escalation. This is just what they did in their previous disastrous projects like the Iraq War, the attacks on Syria and Libya, and the 20-year occupation of Afghanistan. For them the failure is never because it was a bad idea in the first place, but that not enough lives and resources were poured into that bad idea to create a good outcome.

But Russia is no Iraq nor is it Libya. This time they are playing with World War III and nuclear destruction and no one in DC seems concerned.

Last Thursday the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Charles Q. Brown, said that NATO trainers deployed within Ukraine was inevitable. "We'll get there eventually, over time," he said. This, of course, is exactly how we got the Vietnam War, but Russia in 2024 is hardly late -1950s Vietnam. Russia of today is a country that can fight back and can project military power all the way to the source, which means the United States.

Is Nuland's Ukraine project worth dying in a nuclear war over?

The whole US involvement in this proxy war has been based on lie after lie. They said we had to help Ukraine defeat Russia because democracy itself was at stake. Then Ukrainian president Zelensky cancelled elections, so they told us we have to help Ukraine defeat Russia because Putin won't stop there – he'll soon be marching through Berlin, London, and maybe even New York!
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Can you justify the numbers or is one of those things you got whispered by Stalin in your dreams? But just to follow the argument:

- It is obvious to anyone, but the only damage were not two Mig 31 and two SUs. Refineries, one ship (possibly two), runways, fuel... even taken your "figure" I am sure the US is comfortable if not super-happy with the ROI of this (Return on Investment) of the Ukrainian aid. Conservatively x20 I would say.

- 245 Mig-31 to go, so 100 attacks, no problem. There are also plenty of ATACAMS left. And good to know there is a figure out there saying Ruzzia has 245 left (probably half not even operational). What is clear is that whatever number they have, it cannot increase.

- But what is important is that any Mig31 or any other platform placed close enough to intercept an F16 will have to be in ATACAMS range. So... you choice, planes that are useless or planes that get destroyed (again, with no replacement).

Oh, I love how you compare Israel military capabilities and their air defence with Ruzzia's. Is a joke right? A minuscule country with 3 layers of air defence and the support of an allied fleet of the outmost sophistication compared to.. well, Ruzzia. I think this time all your answer is pure hopium.

I think Ukraine is playing a perfectly valid strategy. It hurts economically, it hurts logistics, greatly diminishes the strategic options, damages the tenability of Crimea,  it creates dilemmas rather than problems that can be solved,... this is much better that sending Bradleys head on to minefields without air support.

Today...

- Ruzzia bombed Ruzzia in Belgorod region (Shevekina). Seems like the gliding bombs have a few "duds" here and there and explode in Ruzzian territory.
- French SCAPLS were used in a successful attack in a military base in the Luhansk region https://t.me/channel24_ua/133409

This is the fourth or fifth attack by the Atamcs, and the first successful one. I suspect they used the Russian tactic of a combination of drones and ballistic missiles.
 Iran attacked Israel with the same. Both sides are learning. According to my estimates, the Atamcs are mostly shot (about 20 pieces per attack, 4-5 attacks) -
maybe they have a supply for a strike or two and then a new round of whining and begging starts.
They did some damage and made the media happy, but the war will not be reversed.
2 MIGs 31 were destroyed - 245 remained.
Total cost of attacks around 150m USD

Unconfirmed by evidence, but claimed: The only missile carrying ship left in Sebastopol, Project 22800 Karakurt, is reported as either sunk or damaged. I will be seeking further evidence of confirmation from the sources that usually provide evidence. For now, it is enough to say that this matches the latest increase in strategic capabilities shown by Ukraine during the last week of long range attacks.

If confirmed, this means no Kalibr in Sebastopol. This also means Ukraine has the larger warhead version of ATACAMS with 470 pound.

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From north to south. Also, scalps attacks in Luhansk have been observed.

I'm not really sure from where did you made this narrative that western media is praising Ukraine like they're winning. Probably you see what you want to see.
Russia is taking Kharkiv, really? I think there is big difference between taking Kharkiv and taking few villages in Kharkiv Oblast by the border with Russia.

I actually would be surprised if whole world would be following  it like they did in first  weeks of war. Unfortunately, new about it become routine for most of people. Even Ukrainians are getting tired from this war

Financial expansionism, so Russia is forced to pick between NATO expanding to Ukraine with cookies, or Russia being labeled as an invader. How much acting one would need to do to pretend to be surprised by Russia's choice? It's hard to think of a better example to feel morally justified to start never ending wars to change your sphere of influence. Just need to find a cooperating leader willing to sacrifice his own population for you.

Sanctions are always two sided, think we all see how well they're working with Russia, China and Europe. Sure, if China were complete idiots and would just sit there and quietly wait for their commie regime to be taken down next, things would've actually worked out for the "west" and we'd have a one world government. Now i would expect such plan from a 5th grader but when third-highest ranking US diplomat tries to pull that off I get scared for our planet.


Now this cookie monster (Nuland) has nothing to loose, so she's doubling down by trying to set the precedent for Russia to send their missiles to Syria/Iraq/Afghanistan/Lybia while not being able to hold Russia responsible for their use (after we send them missiles those countries are free to do with them as they please logic). Next we all get to act surprised when those countries wipe out few US/UK bases still stationed on their land with those Russian missiles. After that, we get to watch these clowns in a circus again claim how Russia is bad, and as if no one could've possibly predicted such obvious outcome. What a great plan, what could possibly go wrong, they should all get raises with bonuses for that  

Under that logic the investors and the most powerful companies on the planet would be looking forward to establish their headquarters in north Korea, that won't happen only because it is a small nation with advanced nukes. It does not make sense in any way.

Also, because of the sanctions Russia has been selling oil and gas under the price of the market to clients in countries with a high rate of energy consumption, like India and China. I even recall India benefited from it by buying Russian oil and reselling at international prices to Europe and United States, that means Russia has lost significant amounts of cash and liquidity because it has started to get excluded from the rest of the planet. Again, it was not for China (which is an actual super power) the weak Russian economy would be already underground and with negative numbers.
Having nukes does not mean a country is a economically powerful country, even a banana republic like Cuba could have managed to have their own nuclear weapons with the backing of the Soviet Union back in the day.

Where do the money and weapons go? Many of them go to Russia throguh capture or on the black market.

The financial powers wouldn't have sanctioned Russia if they truly wanted to stop her. She has only become stronger through the sanctions.

A gun in the hands of a teenager gives the teen a lot of strength to fight off others, even if the otheers have guns. Russia has nukes.

What better place to relocate the finance center of the world than a small country with top-notch nukes? Russia has nukes for protection, and owns Siberia. She's just starting.

Those are the same who pay for the campaigns of the lawmakers who approved for more weapons to be sent to Kiev, so I think your theory does not make sense at all. If those in charge of much of the money wanted Russia to get its way, then they would not continue to fund the election of officials who are willing to continue to send weaponry to Ukraine for her defense from the invaders. That is what Russia is, an invader.
Also, You cannot be serious when you refer to Russia as the future world economical and financial center of the world, Russian economy is extremely small, even countries like Italy get more money annually than Russia. It is a country which wants to be perceived internationally as a giant and powerful republic, like China, when in reality it is a pretty empty big and desolated country with many people living in misery and hooked to drugs coming from Afghanistan and the rest of Asia.
If Russia did not have the backing of China (an actual super power), it would be just like north korea, a second world irrelevant country with nukes.

^^^ Seems that the world money powers want Russia to win, just to be the new financial center of the world.

Will Ukraine survive till November? How many more soldiers do you think Zelenskyy is willing to loose to play in US politics?

It gets even funnier if you read the whole thing

It's almost as if Moscow is punishing Biden, and Ukraine is helping them  

Yes, Ukraine may now be able to fix that along next year with "weapons that do not work" and "are not useful", "do not change anything", etc... But, and this is the big but, it cannot be before the US elections. People do not vote for leaders that make their life more expensive. Elections are in November. I am sure you can figure out along with your trolls in the farm when the veto is no longer.

BTW funny how the same source may say two different things time with just 8 days of difference.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-14/russia-s-oil-exports-fall-to-their-lowest-level-in-two-months


Once again, accusing the other player on the table to be better at cheating? Who made Ukraine a proxy? Who took Crimea in 2014 and the f**k did Ruzzia think was going to happen after? Well... what ever Putin thought, he got it wrong.


Is this the humour pages?

If so, I got a better joke... how does a Ruzzian soldier surrender? By asking the drone for mercy:

https://t.me/officer_alex33/2831

Even sane Putin opponents know that

https://youtu.be/9nVxWDblwvw

although in the end of video he's trying to scare EU for his own gain

thought we all agreed that the idea that China would let Russia financially collapse was just silly and would go against everything we've seen happening so far

Even influential MSM in UK admit its west proxy war in Ukraine...lets give paxmao few more months, I guess:

https://twitter.com/themacrostory/status/1792060655144665581

“Putin & Xi Jinping's show of combined strength, rise of Russian-style policies in Georgia, serve as a timely reminder to Ukraine's allies. Ukraine is a tragedy in itself, but it is also a proxy.
 If the West weakens its resolve, Russia and China will resist more strongly what they called last week "the so-called dual containment of our countries."


meanwhile, support of Ukraine war costs Italy its crown jewels:

https://www.barrons.com/news/buried-in-massive-debt-italy-puts-crown-jewels-up-for-sale-9d7ff176

UK doesn't fare better, it seems

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11454513/Tesco-puts-security-tags-four-pint-cartons-milk-cost-living-crisis-drives-shoplifting.html

Keep that money pouring into corrupt Ukraine