Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 60. (Read 79022 times)

Quote from: paxmao on June 29, 2024, 01:53:15 PM

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The ex KGB that currently rules Ruzzia is a shadow of the power and leadership of the USSR, but they are failing to accept the faith of the loosers an that is why so many are dying for absolutely nothing: When you are no longer a power, you do not get to decide over others by force.

In my opinion, in today's world you can't be solving problems existing in your head by force, by waging a war against an independent state, like putin is trying to do. He will lose because he's trying to go against the civilisation that has reached this point after evolving for thousands of years. No power is strong enough in this world to decide over others by force. It's the greatest achievement of our civilisation.

You mean, of course, no power other than Israel and the United States? Grin

Yes, it would. That is why the aid to Ukraine is being limited to something that stops Putin or will eventually stop it, but not something that could be interpreted as a personal threat to the regime or to his own survival - but this is difficult to calibrate, not a exact science so watch this space...

I am glad that in between propaganda slogans, you understand the real state of affairs.

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Quote from: paxmao on June 30, 2024, 06:18:47 PM

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The ex KGB that currently rules Ruzzia is a shadow of the power and leadership of the USSR, but they are failing to accept the faith of the loosers an that is why so many are dying for absolutely nothing: When you are no longer a power, you do not get to decide over others by force.

In my opinion, in today's world you can't be solving problems existing in your head by force, by waging a war against an independent state, like putin is trying to do. He will lose because he's trying to go against the civilisation that has reached this point after evolving for thousands of years. No power is strong enough in this world to decide over others by force. It's the greatest achievement of our civilisation.

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There are some interesting reports, firstly in Sebastopol - The Black Sea fleet is not there. There are three ships which I am guessing cannot really move or a not deemed important. What do you need Crimea for if you cannot use the ports?

For Russia, the presence of the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol is not as important as the absence of a US naval base there.

Quote from: paxmao on June 30, 2024, 06:18:47 PM

Also, there seems to have been be a wave of drone attacks last night, mostly on industrial facilities in Ruzzia - refineries and other chemical plants. Again, this war is so costly that Ruzzia may take a decade or more to recover from this.

I hope Ukraine has chosen a not too ambitious task for itself - to deprive the country of the gas station of gasoline. Grin

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There are some interesting reports, firstly in Sebastopol - The Black Sea fleet is not there. There are three ships which I am guessing cannot really move or a not deemed important. What do you need Crimea for if you cannot use the ports?

Also, there seems to have been be a wave of drone attacks last night, mostly on industrial facilities in Ruzzia - refineries and other chemical plants. Again, this war is so costly that Ruzzia may take a decade or more to recover from this.

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Yes, it would. That is why the aid to Ukraine is being limited to something that stops Putin or will eventually stop it, but not something that could be interpreted as a personal threat to the regime or to his own survival - but this is difficult to calibrate, not a exact science so watch this space...

Now, Ukraine if kicking the Ruzzian army out to the recently invaded areas near Kherson. It is interesting to see how it is possible to make Ruzzia back-off - the Ruzzian army must be in a though moment.

North Korea has promised to send operatives to Ruzzia. Quite amazing given the ridiculously large population of Ruzzia and its satelites.

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Quote from: paxmao on June 27, 2024, 10:32:48 AM

Oh my... So your idea of a good strategy is to allow a country that has over a thousand nuclear warheads to collapse an be split into a range of different parts each one of them with in physical possession of part of a nuclear arsenal, while getting whoever gets in power in each of those be a potential suicidal maniac.

do you not see any possible problem with that course of action? Like, you know, multiplying by 20 the number of possible bilateral nuclear conflicts with potential for full human species extinction?

Well, then it was technically possible to implement it.

Don’t you think it’s an even more stupid and suicidal strategy to openly declare inflicting a strategic defeat on Russia, which still has thousands of nuclear warheads on alert, as the outcome of the Russian-Ukrainian conflict desired by the West? Grin

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Why is it so difficult for Ruzzia to understand? They lost. It is very simple. The USSR was as big and as influential as Ruzzia ever got, and it failed - they collapsed completely.

USSR lost, not Russia. It was a strategic mistake of the United States, when they collapsed the USSR in 1991 and won the Cold War, they relaxed and began to rest on their laurels. Apparently they thought that Russia would collapse on its own.

Is it really so difficult for the West to understand? The Union republics did not strengthen the Soviet Union, but rather drew vitality from Russia. Now Russia is much stronger than the USSR in the best years of its power.

So... Ruzzia had nothing to do with the USSR, it was all the rest but Ruzzia that failed? You need to be honest at least to yourself, Ruzzia is not standing to "the West", but to a very limited and insufficient aid to Ukraine.

If the collapse of the USSR was a "mistake by the US" and not a mistake by the KGB guys that rule you how come half of it is being economically and socially successful in the EU and the NATO? You do not have a selling point, that is why you sent the tanks instead of the diplomats.

The mistake of the United States was not the collapse of the USSR, but the fact that after that they immediately relaxed and began to celebrate the victory and did not take advantage of the opportunity to immediately break Russia into several parts at the same time. Apparently they thought that the centrifugal forces in Russia, amid the shock of the collapse of the USSR, were strong enough for Russia to collapse on its own. The favorable moment was missed and now the West can only dream about the collapse of Russia.

Oh my... So your idea of a good strategy is to allow a country that has over a thousand nuclear warheads to collapse an be split into a range of different parts each one of them with in physical possession of part of a nuclear arsenal, while getting whoever gets in power in each of those be a potential suicidal maniac.

do you not see any possible problem with that course of action? Like, you know, multiplying by 20 the number of possible bilateral nuclear conflicts with potential for full human species extinction?

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The mistake of the United States was not the collapse of the USSR, but the fact that after that they immediately relaxed and began to celebrate the victory and did not take advantage of the opportunity to immediately break Russia into several parts at the same time. Apparently they thought that the centrifugal forces in Russia, amid the shock of the collapse of the USSR, were strong enough for Russia to collapse on its own. The favorable moment was missed and now the West can only dream about the collapse of Russia.

lol - that was never going to happen. Without Lex Luthor., there is no need for Superman.

In order for the government to fleece the American taxpayers for over $700 billion a year in military spending, there must be an enemy scary enough to justify that.

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Quote from: paxmao on June 27, 2024, 06:11:31 AM

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Why is it so difficult for Ruzzia to understand? They lost. It is very simple. The USSR was as big and as influential as Ruzzia ever got, and it failed - they collapsed completely.

USSR lost, not Russia. It was a strategic mistake of the United States, when they collapsed the USSR in 1991 and won the Cold War, they relaxed and began to rest on their laurels. Apparently they thought that Russia would collapse on its own.

Is it really so difficult for the West to understand? The Union republics did not strengthen the Soviet Union, but rather drew vitality from Russia. Now Russia is much stronger than the USSR in the best years of its power.

So... Ruzzia had nothing to do with the USSR, it was all the rest but Ruzzia that failed? You need to be honest at least to yourself, Ruzzia is not standing to "the West", but to a very limited and insufficient aid to Ukraine.

If the collapse of the USSR was a "mistake by the US" and not a mistake by the KGB guys that rule you how come half of it is being economically and socially successful in the EU and the NATO? You do not have a selling point, that is why you sent the tanks instead of the diplomats.

The mistake of the United States was not the collapse of the USSR, but the fact that after that they immediately relaxed and began to celebrate the victory and did not take advantage of the opportunity to immediately break Russia into several parts at the same time. Apparently they thought that the centrifugal forces in Russia, amid the shock of the collapse of the USSR, were strong enough for Russia to collapse on its own. The favorable moment was missed and now the West can only dream about the collapse of Russia.

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Quote from: AgrarniyyChel on June 27, 2024, 03:02:28 AM

Why is it so difficult for Ruzzia to understand? They lost. It is very simple. The USSR was as big and as influential as Ruzzia ever got, and it failed - they collapsed completely.

USSR lost, not Russia. It was a strategic mistake of the United States, when they collapsed the USSR in 1991 and won the Cold War, they relaxed and began to rest on their laurels. Apparently they thought that Russia would collapse on its own.

Is it really so difficult for the West to understand? The Union republics did not strengthen the Soviet Union, but rather drew vitality from Russia. Now Russia is much stronger than the USSR in the best years of its power.

So... Ruzzia had nothing to do with the USSR, it was all the rest but Ruzzia that failed? You need to be honest at least to yourself, Ruzzia is not standing to "the West", but to a very limited and insufficient aid to Ukraine.

If the collapse of the USSR was a "mistake by the US" and not a mistake by the KGB guys that rule you how come half of it is being economically and socially successful in the EU and the NATO? You do not have a selling point, that is why you sent the tanks instead of the diplomats.

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I think the Russian made mistake of assuming the Ukrainians would welcome them as liberators due to flawed intelligence and have now found themselves in a difficult catch 22 position. Only a person of quite low intelligence would disagree with the reality that the Russian army could annihilate Ukraine totally if it chose to but the reality is they are only operating mainly in one sector of Ukraine and stubbornly in the most work intensive and inefficient way possible try to occupy it and this if anything will be to their detriment as Ukraine has all the resources it will need to continuously attack it in this sector from the relative safety of the main territory of Ukraine that Russian army has vacated since it discovered there was to be no welcome party and puppet type president ready to be installed. Now Russia cannot leave the sector it is in as it would be seen as a failure of this so called operation and a victory for its opponents so this will after the long protracted operation becomes no longer sustainable eventually either lead to a major escalation or a complicated agreement between all parties. This would be a simplified explanation of how it went down so to speak.

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thanks to Putin, there will be a new NATO air and ground base near the Ukrainian border.

As if anyone is asking Romania for permission

Romania is in NATO and it is obliged, if you don’t like it, let them leave

They can't leave. When they asked, they told them "Look what happened to Fico"

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thanks to Putin, there will be a new NATO air and ground base near the Ukrainian border.

As if anyone is asking Romania for permission

Romania is in NATO and it is obliged, if you don’t like it, let them leave

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Why is it so difficult for Ruzzia to understand? They lost. It is very simple. The USSR was as big and as influential as Ruzzia ever got, and it failed - they collapsed completely.

USSR lost, not Russia. It was a strategic mistake of the United States, when they collapsed the USSR in 1991 and won the Cold War, they relaxed and began to rest on their laurels. Apparently they thought that Russia would collapse on its own.

Is it really so difficult for the West to understand? The Union republics did not strengthen the Soviet Union, but rather drew vitality from Russia. Now Russia is much stronger than the USSR in the best years of its power.

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Quote from: Branko on June 26, 2024, 06:32:52 AM

Why is it so difficult for Ruzzia to understand? They lost. It is very simple. The USSR was as big and as influential as Ruzzia ever got, and it failed - they collapsed completely.

The ex KGB that currently rules Ruzzia is a shadow of the power and leadership of the USSR, but they are failing to accept the faith of the loosers an that is why so many are dying for absolutely nothing: When you are no longer a power, you do not get to decide over others by force.

Actually, he shown that they can stand against the whole West and win...you sound optimistic as this guy, lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh3I3jNS0GA

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Quote from: paxmao on June 26, 2024, 04:14:27 AM

Quote from: paxmao on June 26, 2024, 04:14:27 AM

thanks to Putin, there will be a new NATO air and ground base near the Ukrainian border.

As if anyone is asking Romania for permission

I think that Romania was very interested in having some "support". Can you guess why?

Because "look what happened to Fico"?

https://agenda.ge/en/news/2024/39584#gsc.tab=0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolae_Ceaușescu

I think they would rather not go back to this. But you can create a party and try.

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Upon achieving power, he eased press censorship and condemned the Warsaw Pact invasion of Czechoslovakia in his speech of 21 August 1968, which resulted in a surge in popularity. However, this period of stability was brief, as his government soon became totalitarian and came to be considered the most repressive in the Eastern Bloc. His secret police, the Securitate, was responsible for mass surveillance as well as severe repression and human rights abuses within the country, and controlled the media and press.

Why is it so difficult for Ruzzia to understand? They lost. It is very simple. The USSR was as big and as influential as Ruzzia ever got, and it failed - they collapsed completely.

The ex KGB that currently rules Ruzzia is a shadow of the power and leadership of the USSR, but they are failing to accept the faith of the loosers an that is why so many are dying for absolutely nothing: When you are no longer a power, you do not get to decide over others by force.

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thanks to Putin, there will be a new NATO air and ground base near the Ukrainian border.

As if anyone is asking Romania for permission

I think that Romania was very interested in having some "support". Can you guess why?

Because "look what happened to Fico"?

https://agenda.ge/en/news/2024/39584#gsc.tab=0

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thanks to Putin, there will be a new NATO air and ground base near the Ukrainian border.

As if anyone is asking Romania for permission

I think that Romania was very interested in having some "support". Can you guess why?

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