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Seems like Shoigu has been demoted and changed for a Civilian from the closer Putin's economic circle.

My guess is that the war is going so well and corruption is so under control that Putin has taken this decision based on the armpit smell of Shoigu and not because he is an absolute incompetent in war, but very extremely competent in sending unequipped troops while filling his banks accounts with the money that should have provided the equipment.
The Minister of Defense should be a civilian; in fact, he is a supply manager. In Russia, the Minister of Defense has been a civilian since 2001 (Shoigu is also a civilian). The current Minister of Defense of Ukraine seems to also be a civilian. Almost all defense ministers in Europe are civilians.

Military operations are led by the General Staff, the Chief of the General Staff is still Gerasimov.
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BTW there are news that the "brave" commander that was in charge of the Bucha massacres has been HIMARSed. I think Ukrainians tend not to forget that type of bravery.


Did they hit that BBC guy who invented whole story all the way in England, or
maybe BBC sent him to Ukraine to silence him for whatever reason?

There are tens of witnesses Branko. Your loved Ruzzia army is a bunch of sadistic butchers. There are images of drones attacking families and old men simply going about their business for training. You need some?

Seems like Shoigu has been demoted and changed for a Civilian from the closer Putin's economic circle.

My guess is that the war is going so well and corruption is so under control that Putin has taken this decision based on the armpit smell of Shoigu and not because he is an absolute incompetent in war, but very extremely competent in sending unequipped troops while filling his banks accounts with the money that should have provided the equipment.
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BTW there are news that the "brave" commander that was in charge of the Bucha massacres has been HIMARSed. I think Ukrainians tend not to forget that type of bravery.


Did they hit that BBC guy who invented whole story all the way in England, or
maybe BBC sent him to Ukraine to silence him for whatever reason?
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@Branko, you claim to have combat experience. Tell us, is this a special tactic? I mean, a Ruzzian soldier is usually trained to detonate a grenade in his own chest?



Its very brave.
My uncle shot himself so Italian fascists don't catch him alive

Totally different than Ukrainian soldiers killing themselves so
they don't get sent to fight

I hope there are many more "brave" soldiers doing the same in the Ruzzian army then, it would make a future peace much easier.

BTW there are news that the "brave" commander that was in charge of the Bucha massacres has been HIMARSed. I think Ukrainians tend not to forget that type of bravery.

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Oh, Trump has spoken about his plan to reach peace:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/19/ukraine-war-briefing-donald-trump-says-survival-of-ukraine-important-to-the-us

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Donald Trump has said the survival of Ukraine is important to the US, in what Reuters describes as a shift in tone days before Republicans are due to vote on a $61bn aid package in the US House of Representatives. “As everyone agrees, Ukrainian Survival and Strength should be much more important to Europe than to us, but it is also important to us! GET MOVING EUROPE!”

As usual... blaming someone else after stopping the aid for 6 months. dumBAss gonna love this one.

Well, that is quite absurd if true. Trump and the Republican party (mostly the people who support Trump/Maga) have spent entire months claiming it was wasteful to send equipment to Ukraine and offer them support with the taxpayer money from the people, while there are other problems to be solved domestically and now Trump seems to be flipping on the issue of Ukraine due to God knows what reason.
If anyone in the Republican party had some spine left, they would call out Trump for his double speech and the way he easily changes of opinion in any politically relevant topic for his own benefit, some would even call him Uniparty and RINO in different circumstances. It has already flipped on abortion, in the topic of Bitcoin/cryptocurrency and now this.
I wonder how much this could hurt him politically, probably not much, considering his core base does not use logic and consistency to vote in the first place.

Spot on, his base does not care. What I see here is that Trump had to yield to the party instead of the party yielding to him. It is possibly the first time that this happens and signals a much lower grip that we all assumed.

He is swapping the narrative to keep his parties support, but yeah.. he may do whatever about the Ruzzo- Ukrainian war when elected anyway. My guess is that he understands that the US benefits from a free and strong Ukraine, but he may play the "businessman" simply forcing Ukraine to give up land. Putin would certainly love that scenario since he has been "buying" Ukrainian land at a ridiculous price in weapons, blood and political credit so getting it "for free" thanks to Trump bloated ego and pretences of "statemanship" and his like for simple solutions to complex problems.

How would Trump gain at least to a point my respect? If Ruzzia were to give a meaningful chunk of he Ukrainian land they have taken. THAT would proof some statesmanship. For a funny example, I can close a deal in the name of Ukraine that gives Putin half of the country and two major cities (for example), or for that matter sell you a car and on top pay you to take it, but that makes me a stupid not a businessman.
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Oh, Trump has spoken about his plan to reach peace:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/19/ukraine-war-briefing-donald-trump-says-survival-of-ukraine-important-to-the-us

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Donald Trump has said the survival of Ukraine is important to the US, in what Reuters describes as a shift in tone days before Republicans are due to vote on a $61bn aid package in the US House of Representatives. “As everyone agrees, Ukrainian Survival and Strength should be much more important to Europe than to us, but it is also important to us! GET MOVING EUROPE!”

As usual... blaming someone else after stopping the aid for 6 months. dumBAss gonna love this one.

Well, that is quite absurd if true. Trump and the Republican party (mostly the people who support Trump/Maga) have spent entire months claiming it was wasteful to send equipment to Ukraine and offer them support with the taxpayer money from the people, while there are other problems to be solved domestically and now Trump seems to be flipping on the issue of Ukraine due to God knows what reason.
If anyone in the Republican party had some spine left, they would call out Trump for his double speech and the way he easily changes of opinion in any politically relevant topic for his own benefit, some would even call him Uniparty and RINO in different circumstances. It has already flipped on abortion, in the topic of Bitcoin/cryptocurrency and now this.
I wonder how much this could hurt him politically, probably not much, considering his core base does not use logic and consistency to vote in the first place.
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@Branko, you claim to have combat experience. Tell us, is this a special tactic? I mean, a Ruzzian soldier is usually trained to detonate a grenade in his own chest?



Its very brave.
My uncle shot himself so Italian fascists don't catch him alive

Totally different than Ukrainian soldiers killing themselves so
they don't get sent to fight
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Indeed, Larson, who headed a 25-man platoon of legionaries in 2022, said he and his men were a "sacrificial unit."
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Which perfectly matches the fact that he is alive and talking about it?  Huh Huh

Another Su25 has been shoot in Avdiivka direction. A direct effect of all that help "that is nothing", all those weapons that "do not work" and all the "US taxpayers" money wasted that Branko is so worried about (it is heartbreaking to see how much you love the US taxpayers).

There is an unusual level of Ukrainian drone activity. There is a video out there in which 6 drones are used to kill what appears like 4 Ruzzian mercenaries in a treeline.

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$400k of blood money, might sound like a good deal for some poor souls. I mean everyone of course is fighting to protect democracy in Ukraine

I do not know. You tell us.

@Branko, you claim to have combat experience. Tell us, is this a special tactic? I mean, a Ruzzian soldier is usually trained to detonate a grenade in his own chest?

https://t.me/ssternenko/28454

Oh, Trump has spoken about his plan to reach peace:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/19/ukraine-war-briefing-donald-trump-says-survival-of-ukraine-important-to-the-us

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Donald Trump has said the survival of Ukraine is important to the US, in what Reuters describes as a shift in tone days before Republicans are due to vote on a $61bn aid package in the US House of Representatives. “As everyone agrees, Ukrainian Survival and Strength should be much more important to Europe than to us, but it is also important to us! GET MOVING EUROPE!”

As usual... blaming someone else after stopping the aid for 6 months. dumBAss gonna love this one.
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Irrelevant and missing the point as usual. It is irrelevant how many nukes Ruzzia and up to a point where they have them.
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Where NATO places its nukes is completely irrelevant. Why you root for global exponential growth for nuclear conflicts also stinks of desperation. You're just changing your narrative to "either NATO expands to Ukraine or we start a nuclear war, but try to blame Putin for it". That's clinical insanity.

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I think it's nothing new here. Already in first year of war we saw people mainly from Nepal, some African countries fighting for Russia.
I don't think Russia is hiring them because they're running out of people. It's more just a way to get some cheap meat. And now it doesn't looks that number of such mercenaries is very significant.

Well, the report I saw on the Cuban people going to Russia to fight for Putin was talking about four hundred civilians who became military units in the front, that is indeed quite an small number of soldiers, which is unlikely to make a difference on the result of battles by its own, so I am not sure what is the objective of this recruitment campaign. It could be about slowly recruiting foreigners, so Putin would not need to gather his own population and levy for more native Russians to go fight in the front.

I am not sure I would call these people to be used as "cheap meat" as you call them, if the numbers of their salaries and the possibility on getting Russian citizenship are not unfunded, then they are being paid very good salaries, considering they come from a third world country like Cuba. I am not informed on those citizens from Nepal and African countries though, It makes sense something like that could be happening.



Mercs are pretty much cheap meat. Throw them in first just make sure not to collect bodies so you can just mark them as missing and not pay out

Ukraine was a magnet for foreign fighters. After 2 bruising years, many are disillusioned or dead.
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Some volunteers barely lasted a week. A Russian missile strike in March 2022 hit a base near Lviv being used for foreign fighters.

According to Ukrainian officials, dozens of Ukrainians were killed and more than 100 foreign volunteers injured, ending their campaigns before they began.
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International fighters proved "more expendable than Ukrainian soldiers for high-risk operations," Pugliese said.

Indeed, Larson, who headed a 25-man platoon of legionaries in 2022, said he and his men were a "sacrificial unit."
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"We were a speed bump," he said. "If the Russians had come, we could have held them up for maybe an hour."
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According to Larson, who continues to help recruiters for the Legion, sign-ups have dwindled by two thirds since the flood of March 2022.

"Half the signups are from Latin America now," he noted, a big shift.

In the fall of 2023, the Legion began admitting Spanish-speaking applicants, many of whom were inadmissible before, Pugliese told BI.

Some had made it in but were mistreated by their officers, he said.

The new Bolivar Battalion, for example, was formed by fighters from Venezuela, Ecuador, Argentina, and Colombia and was is led by a Venezuelan anti-government fighter.

Many are former professional soldiers from Colombia, battle-hardened fighting drug cartels and rebel groups in their homeland.

Experienced non-commissioned officers can earn four times as much as back home, or even more, the Associated Press reported.

Latin Americans "have different motivations from typical Western soldiers," Larson told BI.

"They're there for the money."


And hundreds are heading to fight in Ukraine, where many make four times as much as experienced non-commissioned officers earn in Colombia, or even more.
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Retired Colombian soldiers began to head overseas in the early 2000s to work for U.S. military contractors protecting infrastructure including oil wells in Iraq.
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Corporals in Colombia get a basic salary of around $400 a month, while experienced drill sergeants can earn up to $900. Colombia’s monthly minimum wage is currently $330.

In Ukraine any member of the armed forces, regardless of citizenship, is entitled to a monthly salary of up to $3,300, depending on their rank and type of service. They are also entitled to up to $28,660 if they are injured, depending on the severity of the wounds. If they are killed in action, their families are due $400,000 compensation

In Colombia, word about recruitment to the Ukrainian army spreads mostly through social media. Some of the volunteers who already fight in Ukraine share insights on the recruitment process on platforms such as TikTok or WhatsApp.

$400k of blood money, might sound like a good deal for some poor souls. I mean everyone of course is fighting to protect democracy in Ukraine
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Another 1100 million USD american taxpayer money went down the drain:

https://t.me/The_Wrong_Side/15936

It seems there are no more volunteers in Ukraine to go to meat grinder:

"In Kiev (https://t.me/condottieros/3552) Brovary, a man, in a fight with the military commissar,
blew himself up and a military registration and enlistment office employee with a grenade."
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Most of the military production takes place outside Ukraine and to be honest whatever is produced in Ukraine for the war will be the first priority for the remaining supply.
Ukraine is trying to produce as much military equipment as they can as they don't want depend onsupply from West fully. Like in cases that they had when supply from USA stopped. Drones, some missiles, Bohdana howitzers and etc is produced in Ukraine. And Ukraine made drones and missiles are being used to hit targets in Russia as most West counntries don't allow to use their weapons to hit targets outside  Ukraine.
I guess that even if complete blackout will happen, it won't stop Ukraine's military industry. They would solutions how not to stop it, like for example switching to diesel generators.

Oh sure, Ukraine is creating quite interesting national products (I mean, as interesting as stuff to kill others gets). Improvements to missiles, naval drones, 3d printed FPVs, re-purposed recreational planes that can now destroy billions in assets up to 1500 km from their base... Clearly Ukraine is making a virtue of necessity and are very good at asymmetric warfare. What I meant is that the loss some relevant power infrastructure is unlikely to be a problem for war production.


Moving on now on the latest doctrine of the Ruzzian army:

1- Send a couple of squads in a unarmoured golf cart to the position where you think the enemy is.
2- Throw some smoke with a tank, but somewhere else, where it does not cover your troops.
3- Let the soldiers fight in open field for the trench (where you think there might be Ukrainians).
4- Shell with the tank - whether it killing your soldiers or others.
5- When your soldiers reach the trench, shell the trench (I assume this is to avoid paying the salaries??)

And you wonder why they call this a meat attack.

https://youtu.be/quaQFy-mkLI

My favourite is the guy that stays well behind the group and takes cover. He is probably the only survivor.
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It seems regarding energy, Ukraine was in deep trouble month ago already:

https://twitter.com/simpatico771/status/1778373018391027864
So, now Arestovich already become credible source for you? Smiley


Well people like him are super credible when they bring bad news for their side.
Similar if for example Zakharova would start with bad news about Russia
You know that shit hit the fan when people like that are critical about their own side
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It seems regarding energy, Ukraine was in deep trouble month ago already:

https://twitter.com/simpatico771/status/1778373018391027864
So, now Arestovich already become credible source for you? Smiley

Most of the military production takes place outside Ukraine and to be honest whatever is produced in Ukraine for the war will be the first priority for the remaining supply.
Ukraine is trying to produce as much military equipment as they can as they don't want depend onsupply from West fully. Like in cases that they had when supply from USA stopped. Drones, some missiles, Bohdana howitzers and etc is produced in Ukraine. And Ukraine made drones and missiles are being used to hit targets in Russia as most West counntries don't allow to use their weapons to hit targets outside  Ukraine.
I guess that even if complete blackout will happen, it won't stop Ukraine's military industry. They would solutions how not to stop it, like for example switching to diesel generators.
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I expect big offensive there pretty soon
I don't think so. The grouping of Russian troops near Kharkov is quite limited, although they are opposed there mainly by defense brigades with unknown combat capability, but I would not expect deep breakthroughs into the territory of Ukraine. I think today’s activity in the direction of Kharkov is mainly aimed at forcing Syrsky to react to it and send reserves there. I would not be surprised if Russia also demonstrates activity in the Kherson region in the near future, perhaps with an attempt to cross the Dnieper, pursuing the same goal. At least it would be logical from the point of view of military science - to show offensive activity along the edges of a thousand-kilometer front line in order to pose complex logistical tasks to Ukraine and force it to maneuver with limited reserves.

The offensive in in course, most likely to create a humanitarian problem.
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I expect big offensive there pretty soon
I don't think so. The grouping of Russian troops near Kharkov is quite limited, although they are opposed there mainly by defense brigades with unknown combat capability, but I would not expect deep breakthroughs into the territory of Ukraine. I think today’s activity in the direction of Kharkov is mainly aimed at forcing Syrsky to react to it and send reserves there. I would not be surprised if Russia also demonstrates activity in the Kherson region in the near future, perhaps with an attempt to cross the Dnieper, pursuing the same goal. At least it would be logical from the point of view of military science - to show offensive activity along the edges of a thousand-kilometer front line in order to pose complex logistical tasks to Ukraine and force it to maneuver with limited reserves.
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Meanwhile at Harkov... Avdiivka fell much earlier than expected, and it was a fortified city that the Ukrainians started to fortify there in 2014.
The Russians have been grinding the entire area around Harkov for several months, all strategic or important objectives are already destroyed.

https://rumble.com/v4ttnfb-suny-region-russian-umpk-fab-bombs-hits-several-ukrainian-strategic-locatio.html
https://rumble.com/v4ttvqu-kharkiv-region-russian-missile-strike-on-ukrainian-military-industrial-faci.html
https://rumble.com/v4rcum3-kharkiv-region-russian-umpk-fab-glide-bombs-grind-ukrainian-military-facili.html


I expect big offensive there pretty soon
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Again please stop with your moronic statements about nukes. Even if 1 nuke goes to Moscow that would mean that there is no more world. [...]

Are you getting nervous? Name calling? Really? You are the only stupid here that does not understands how nuclear deterrence works.

I will repeat it again, just because you seem to like it that much: one nuke is not just a bit more than zero. It is the difference between a nuclear power and not a nuclear power, between having a world with a controlled number of countries with a controlled number of combinations for a nuclear conflict and an scenario that doubles the number of nuclear armed countries and exponentially grows the combinations for a conflict[/size][/i][/u].

1000 nukes in and controlled by Germany, Poland, Letonia, Lituania, Ukraine, Finland, Norway... just name all the countries that feel threatened by Ruzzia - and you claim that does not matter because "it is not too many more nukes"? I think you just do not understand shit of the world we live in.

Having this scenario is Putin's doing because everyone around Ruzzia cannot ever feel safe, so happy birthday and I hope that if we are all ever blown up it catches you counting the money you are getting paid little troll.

Well, when it's between top pentagon official and a forum member without citations think you know who we all believe more.

Your eyes.

Also stop pretending that Russia is planning on attacking Germany, as if NATO didn't have article 5,

Stop pretending that Germany, Poland and the Baltic countries are not going thinking already about getting their own deterrence when Trump is saying he wants to break NATO.

In that regard is irrelevant who wins the elections, because in military terms you have to hope for the best, but prepare for the worst and Europe can no longer assume that the US umbrella will work. Europe is veeery slow, but is not stupid.

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Sure, and in response Russia should put nukes on Cuba because their people are suffering and fear US, right? oh wait haven't we been here before?
World got rid of 48k nuclear weapons from 61,662 in 1985 to  13,400 in 2020 only an idiot or a madman would want to bring the world closer to nuclear annihilation just because Ukraine is loosing on the battlefield. How much brainwashing one should get to start believing, "either NATO expands to Ukraine or we start a nuclear war" narrative  Huh

Irrelevant and missing the point as usual. It is irrelevant how many nukes Ruzzia and up to a point where they have them.

Just to make sure that your little troll brain understands the basic math behind the Treaty of non-Proliferation. You have two nuclear powers you have 2^0 potential nuclear conflicts (country A with country B). You have 3 then you have AB AC BC, three possible nuclear conflicts. You have 4 you get AB, AC, Ad, BC, Bd, Cd, so that is 6...

What happens when you have, instead of 3 nuclear powers in Europe, 8 or 10 nuclear powers, including some who have been know to be very active in invading their neighbours? You can check here but the answer is that you have passed from three potential nuclear conflicts to... guess how many... 6? 10? 15?... no, it is actually 45 possible bilateral nuclear wars. And this not even counting the possibility of a security flaw or hybrid attack that detonates just one of this little nuke babies or multi-country conflicts or someone getting a few bucks by selling them to ISIS or whatever other.

This is what happens when you have Putin waging a war in Europe and Trump saying that "he does not want NATO" or "would not intervene" as per article 5.


This scenario is not something that "might happen", it is an scenario that, at this point, Europe is already considering. This is some sectors in Germany, but if Germany got it, Poland ain't going to say no and if everyone around's got it... then all the baltics.

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/germans-debatethe-once-unthinkable-do-we-need-nuclear-weapons-13fa7e68

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Germans Debate the Once-Unthinkable: Do We Need Nuclear Weapons?

And now keep on speaking about whattabout and trying to mislead. Keep counting you little troll's level 3 pay in the farm and hope that all 10 countries have responsible politicians from now to the end of your miserable life.


Meanwhile 1500 km from Ukraine....

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The excerpt describes a Ukrainian drone that attacked the "Salavatnefteorgsintez" in Bashkortostan. The drone's wing span is approximately three meters wide. A video shows the drone flying over the company's territory a minute before being destroyed. The drone is reported to have traveled up to 1,500 km

And just a bit closer...
https://t.me/astrapress/55058

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On May 10, 2024, drones are reported to have attacked the "First Refinery" in Kaluga Region, according to local residents.





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Now, I have seen some evidence on refineries and a depot being hit today. Interesting how the strategy that is "just six bulletpoints", "cannot work" and is "impossible" is developing in plain sight with Ruzzia unable to stop it.

Really? Even your compatriots disagree with you:

https://www.politico.eu/article/dominic-cummings-volodymyr-zelenskyy-ukraine-war-corruption/

“This is not a replay of 1940 with Zelenskyy as the Churchillian underdog,” he said.

“This whole Ukrainian corrupt mafia state has basically conned us all and we’re all going to get f**ked as a consequence. We are getting f**ked now right?”

In a follow-up tweet, Cummings later branded Zelenskyy a “potemkin” leader — but denied he’d called him a “pumpkin” as originally quoted in the interview.

He argued that war would only strengthen the relationship between Russia and China, saying Western nations “pushed [Russia] into an alliance with the world’s biggest manufacturing power.”
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[...]

Again please stop with your moronic statements about nukes. Even if 1 nuke goes to Moscow that would mean that there is no more world. [...]

Are you getting nervous? Name calling? Really? You are the only stupid here that does not understands how nuclear deterrence works.

I will repeat it again, just because you seem to like it that much: one nuke is not just a bit more than zero. It is the difference between a nuclear power and not a nuclear power, between having a world with a controlled number of countries with a controlled number of combinations for a nuclear conflict and an scenario that doubles the number of nuclear armed countries and exponentially grows the combinations for a conflict.

1000 nukes in and controlled by Germany, Poland, Letonia, Lituania, Ukraine, Finland, Norway... just name all the countries that feel threatened by Ruzzia - and you claim that does not matter because "it is not too many more nukes"? I think you just do not understand shit of the world we live in.

Having this scenario is Putin's doing because everyone around Ruzzia cannot ever feel safe, so happy birthday and I hope that if we are all ever blown up it catches you counting the money you are getting paid little troll.

Well, when it's between top pentagon official and a forum member without citations think you know who we all believe more.

Your eyes.

Also stop pretending that Russia is planning on attacking Germany, as if NATO didn't have article 5,

Stop pretending that Germany, Poland and the Baltic countries are not going thinking already about getting their own deterrence when Trump is saying he wants to break NATO.

In that regard is irrelevant who wins the elections, because in military terms you have to hope for the best, but prepare for the worst and Europe can no longer assume that the US umbrella will work. Europe is veeery slow, but is not stupid.

...

Sure, and in response Russia should put nukes on Cuba because their people are suffering and fear US, right? oh wait haven't we been here before?
World got rid of 48k nuclear weapons from 61,662 in 1985 to  13,400 in 2020 only an idiot or a madman would want to bring the world closer to nuclear annihilation just because Ukraine is loosing on the battlefield. How much brainwashing one should get to start believing, "either NATO expands to Ukraine or we start a nuclear war" narrative  Huh
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You can buy an electric generator from Germany, US,... is not that easy, it takes a while to manufacture and it is not a perfect solution at all. You can import electricity and perhaps improve the infrastructure to import which is no off the shelve, but is not high tec either. The attacks on Ukraine power grid are to be taken seriously, but they will not stop the Ukrainian army.
They will not stop the Ukrainian army, but they will stop the Ukrainian military industry. The main goal of attacks on the energy system is to make Ukraine completely dependent on arms supplies from the West and not be able to do anything on its own.

Most of the military production takes place outside Ukraine and to be honest whatever is produced in Ukraine for the war will be the first priority for the remaining supply.

Now, I have seen some evidence on refineries and a depot being hit today. Interesting how the strategy that is "just six bulletpoints", "cannot work" and is "impossible" is developing in plain sight with Ruzzia unable to stop it.
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You can buy an electric generator from Germany, US,... is not that easy, it takes a while to manufacture and it is not a perfect solution at all. You can import electricity and perhaps improve the infrastructure to import which is no off the shelve, but is not high tec either. The attacks on Ukraine power grid are to be taken seriously, but they will not stop the Ukrainian army.
They will not stop the Ukrainian army, but they will stop the Ukrainian military industry. The main goal of attacks on the energy system is to make Ukraine completely dependent on arms supplies from the West and not be able to do anything on its own.
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