Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 95. (Read 73604 times)

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Only 41% support sending weapons to Ukraine (you can imagine the spread between democrats and republicans).

Even if US politicians approve more funding to Ukraine for another month or two (as i fully expect) what will happen after that when population just doesn't support it? Any example in history you can think of where with time support for funding war in US grew? But even if we assume the current president and his party just decides to totally ignore the will of the people, what do you think will happen on the election day in 12months?

2 felony counts (including one conspiracy count) of obstructing an official proceeding under 18 U.S.C. § 1512 | 1 felony count of conspiracy to defraud the United States under 18 U.S.C. § 371 | 1 felony count of conspiracy against rights under 18 U.S.C. § 241

... In New York, he faces 34 felony counts in connection with hush money payments to a porn star. In Florida, he faces 40 felony counts for hoarding classified documents and impeding efforts to retrieve them. In Washington, D.C., he faces four felony counts for his efforts to overturn the 2020 election. And in Georgia, he faces 13 felony counts for his election interference in that state.

This mixed bag is hardly catastrophic for Trump. But if he is convicted of a felony, the polling suggests it would be very bad for him. A Quinnipiac poll back in August found that 68 percent of people think someone convicted of a felony shouldn’t be eligible to be president. A Reuters/Ipsos poll found that that 45 percent of Republicans say they wouldn’t vote for him if he were convicted of a felony by a jury.

Saying fake does not make it fake. You stated that I gave wrong information on the destination of Ukrainian refugees, you based you accusation on a report that clearly states that the data is given by the countries - Ruzzia giving data about Ukrainians in Ruzzia. Hail to the king of oversized pictures, meaningless walltext and random accusations - and it is not the first time.. more like it is everytime you write

And now you move the goalposts to say something completely different - that there are many Ukrainians living in Ruzzia. Sorry you cannot escape your own shit this time: you are a declared troll and a shame for your handlers in the trollfarm.

Seriously, try Tweeter (now X) they are super happy to have people like you.



https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk-60652914&psig=AOvVaw2kwa2SWzxRpWsyBaf_Ow3o&ust=1700271783887000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CBQQjhxqFwoTCPDjyY_0yYIDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAE

Even the sources that give some credit to Ruzzia's data still declare more refugees going elsewhere:
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/cp/mapped-ukrainian-refugee-destinations/

Are you implying that I am implying?

Look, we agree on this one, these are very hard times for Ukraine an this is the moment that will define if the US is a trustable ally that can hold their ground on foreign politics at least for once. The US walked on many in the past, but there's no way the US reputation as a nation of power is undone if they decide to back-off.  The US choice, but choices have long term consequences and costs.

I am not concerned about the situation in the dnieper, why should I?

Ruzzia has not entered Avdiivka yet, however the most interesting spot of Avdiivka is not in the ruins, but in the heights and in fortifications. I wonder how many Ruzzian soldiers and equipment may die to get a foothold in Zenit.

Avdiivka is not under Ruzzian control, but it is obvious that if the psychos decide to "spend" 50.000 soldiers lives and another 300 tanks there, they might take it.

Reuters/Ipsos poll November 15, 2023:
41% of people answering the poll said they backed sending weapons to Ukraine in its fight against a nearly 21-month-old Russian invasion, compared to 32% who were opposed and the rest unsure. When it came to Ukraine, support for sending weapons was stronger among Democrats.

Yes...Ukraine is bringing light infantry over, without artillery and tank support, and Russians are massacring them
Gallipoli style

Quote of the day:

John Kirby: “You can't start planning for long-term support if you're at the end of your rope.  And in financing Ukraine we are coming to the end of the rope.  
Today we announced $200 million and we will continue to help Ukraine as much as we can, but it won’t be indefinitely.”

It’s Time to End Magical Thinking About Russia’s Defeat  

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Look up which country has the largest Ukrainian diaspora, with which country Ukrainians had the most transnational marriages, look at the dates on your picture (only one week! Feb. 24 - Mar. 3), finally look at the following
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1312584/ukrainian-refugees-by-country/
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60555472
So stop spreading fakes!

Or maybe the reporting is accurate and a small group of Ukrainians went rogue and blew up the pipeline without zelenskys approval or knowledge.

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Really? You speaking of fakes??? The king of the walltexting and irrelevance? Please enlighten us, where did Ukrainians fled?

Because your map shows how Ruzzia says that lots of Ukrainian fled there, it is there in your own source when you bother to read (what international observation do you think that has? do you think that Ruzzia may... you know... have some incentives to "record in an imaginative way" the number of Ukrainians in Ruzzia and Beloruzzia?

This is what your own source says about the information provided:

- TRANSLATION: do not believe shit of what comes from Ruzzia, but we cannot say that openly.

In your considered opinion, what kind of access do you think Ruzzia gives to the people preparing these reports? You cannot even read your own sources and interpret or be critic about an information as simple as this, yet is enough for you to call "fake" of course ,but your credibility on that is down the drain anyway - just your other major in Troll School along oversized pictures, wall-texting and missing the point - you have shown mastery on the skills here, your handlers must be proud.

Furthermore Have you also noticed where it says that Ruzzia gives their number of total Ukrainian living in Ruzzia under ANY status? Have you noticed that they have no data on border crossings? Have you noticed that even Ruzzia says only 65400 (curiously round number uh??) are refugees? The figure could include almost anything! Even people in the fake-publics of donbas, people living in there since 40 years ago, people who have a granma in Ukraine... .

You should try tweeter... it is much easy to smear in short sentences.

Are you implying that Kirby lied?

These are damn hard times for Ukraine, Congress voted for a temporary budget to avoid a shutdown, the Senate supported it, which means Biden will sign it too. Now the next moment when it will be possible to even simply raise the issue of allocating US money to Ukraine will come no earlier than in two months. Meanwhile, Russia entered Avdeevka from the north and south simultaneously. Are you still concerned about the situation near the Dnieper?

Sure... that must be it. Nothing to worry about then.

Oh... yes please, just place your hopes in the rope not being long enough and on Kirby saying the truth instead of something politically convenient. This is a list of people that were also counting on the US an NATO running out of rope. Somehow it turned out that the rope was long long long... and enough to hang them all.

Yes...Ukraine is bringing light infantry over, without artillery and tank support, and Russians are massacring them
Gallipoli style

Quote of the day:

John Kirby: “You can't start planning for long-term support if you're at the end of your rope.  And in financing Ukraine we are coming to the end of the rope.  
Today we announced $200 million and we will continue to help Ukraine as much as we can, but it won’t be indefinitely.”

   Georgy Malenkov, Nikolay Shvernik, Kliment Voroshilov, Nikita Khrushchev, Georgy Malenkov, Nikolai Bulganin, Kliment Voroshilov, Leonid Brezhnev, Anastas Mikoyan   Khrushchev   Alexei Kosygin, .... Nikolai Tikhonov   Anastas Mikoyan,...

There is definitely something happening neat the dnipro. I mean something that is not Ruzzis shelling a hospital and randomly killing civilians.

Regardless who did it, I would say their plan went as planned and Germany as started to seek for other energy alternatives away from the Russian Gas and petroleum.
If It was Ukraine itself which did it, I would assume they only did so under the authorization of the American CIA

If I were at the front, my main worry would be to get my arse blown up by a FPV drone.

Or maybe the reporting is accurate and a small group of Ukrainians went rogue and blew up the pipeline without zelenskys approval or knowledge.

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Enough of the fakes   https://data2.unhcr.org/en/situations/ukraine/location?secret=unhcrrestricted as of 31 December 2022 1.275.315 refugees from Ukraine went to Russia. We've already been through this, so you're well aware and can't claim ignorance, yet you continue to post fakes and pictures with some pretty colors. Stop it already



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Statistics are compiled mainly from data provided by authorities. For statistical purposes, UNHCR uses the term refugees generically, referring to all individuals having left Ukraine due to the war. UNHCR’s means of verification and level of access to refugees from Ukraine varies by country.

Feels like there will be some official release soon, so to minimize it's impact they decided to front run it by leaking some story and pinning September 2022 sabotage attack on a scapegoat who conveniently has already been arrested since April 2023 for acting without permission in another operation. Also, as an added benefit, the story throws Zaluzhnyy under the bus while protecting Zelensky (makes it sound he doesn't control what's going on in his own country). More ammo to dismiss Ukraine's top general Zaluzhnyy for saying that Ukraine is in a stalemate now.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ukraine-troops-extremely-nervous-that-us-is-now-focused-on-gaza

"When asked about his biggest concern, a soldier named Spenser wrote on a messaging app,
“Without the support of the United States and others, we will be forced to retreat if the enemy troops advance on all fronts.
We have partners, and we will receive help from them, but it will be much less, or the war will (reach) Lviv.”"

Today, the Department of Defense (DoD) announced additional security assistance to meet Ukraine's critical security and defense needs. This includes the drawdown of security assistance from DoD inventories valued at up to $125 million to meet Ukraine's immediate battlefield needs, as well as $300 million in Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI) funds to strengthen Ukraine's air defenses over the long term.

Additional laser-guided munitions to counter Unmanned Aerial Systems.

To me it does not make much sense to blame Russia for the destruction of the North stream pipeline, to be honest. After the beginning of the invasion of Ukraine, the Klemlin probably wanted to use such pipeline as leverage and manipulate the involvement of Germany and the rest of the west Europe into the the war, but it did not happened because it got blown up by some agency.
To me it is pretty reasonable to believe that act was carried out by either the United States of Ukraine, in order to minimize the manipulation or Power Russia could have had over the politics of west Europe.
Regardless who did it, I would say their plan went as planned and Germany as started to seek for other energy alternatives away from the Russian Gas and petroleum.
If It was Ukraine itself which did it, I would assume they only did so under the authorization of the American CIA

Washington post- Ukrainian military officer coordinated Nord Stream pipeline attack

Roman Chervinsky, a colonel in Ukraine’s special operations forces, was integral to the brazen sabotage operation, say people familiar with planning

A senior Ukrainian military officer with deep ties to the country’s intelligence services played a central role in the bombing of the Nord Stream natural gas pipelines last year, according to officials in Ukraine and elsewhere in Europe, as well as other people knowledgeable about the details of the covert operation.
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Chervinsky did not act alone, and he did not plan the operation, according to the people familiar with his role, which has not been previously reported. The officer took orders from more senior Ukrainian officials, who ultimately reported to Gen. Valery Zaluzhny, Ukraine’s highest-ranking military officer, said people familiar with how the operation was carried out.
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Since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, Chervinsky had been serving in a unit of Ukraine’s special operations forces and was focused on resistance activity in areas of the country occupied by Russia, people familiar with his assignments said. He reported to Maj. Gen. Viktor Hanushchak, a seasoned and respected officer, who communicated directly with Zaluzhny.
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Chervinsky is being held in a Kyiv jail on charges that he abused his power stemming from a plot to lure a Russian pilot to defect to Ukraine in July 2022. Authorities allege that Chervinsky, who was arrested in April, acted without permission and that the operation gave away the coordinates of a Ukrainian airfield, prompting a Russian rocket attack that killed a soldier and injured 17 others.
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He calls his arrest and prosecution political retribution for his criticism of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and his administration. Chervinsky has said publicly that he suspects Andriy Yermak, one of Zelensky’s closest advisers, of spying for Russia. He has also accused the Zelensky administration of failing to sufficiently prepare the country for Russia’s invasion.
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But the Nord Stream operation was designed to keep Zelensky out of the loop, people familiar with the operation said.
“All of those involved in planning and execution reported directly to [chief of defense] Zaluzhnyy, so Zelensky wouldn’t have known about it,” according to intelligence reporting obtained by the CIA that was allegedly shared by Jack Teixeira, a member of the Massachusetts Air National Guard, on the Discord chat platform.
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In June 2022, the Dutch military intelligence agency, the MIVD, obtained information that Ukraine might be planning to attack Nord Stream. Officials at the CIA relayed to Zaluzhny through an intermediary that the United States opposed such an operation, according to people familiar with those conversations.
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Key elements of the plan, including the number of people on the bombing team, as well as the use of a rented boat, diving equipment and fake identities, remained the same.
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The Dutch military intelligence service also reported to the Americans that the Ukrainians planned an attack on another pipeline in the Black Sea, called TurkStream. It’s not clear why that operation was never carried out.
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Some of those who described Chervinsky’s participation in the Nord Stream attack defended the veteran intelligence officer as acting in Ukraine’s best interests. They argued that bombing the pipelines helped to keep Russia from filling its coffers from natural gas sales and deprived Putin of a means to use the flow of natural gas for political leverage.