Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 97. (Read 73604 times)

I truly suspect that not all of what Putin and his cronies are doing is honorable. But it is far more honorable than Zelensky and HIS cronies. After all, the whole voting scheme in the Ukraine was manipulated by the US. You can tell by the millions of Ukrainians who fled to Russia for salvation from the Zelensky group.

Democracy is simply a more complex, group Dictatorship. In this case, it is being used by the US to attempt to bring Russia down through Ukraine. All of what Russia is doing is simply self-protection.

You are entirely missing what is going on... or you are a US/Nato/Ukraine propagandist. And the big thing you are trying to hide is your contradiction regarding the war. If Russia has enough strength to do the things that you accuse them of, they certainly have enough strength to win the war by force, easily... if their goal was to simply destroy Ukraine.

No this is a war in which Ruzzia has tried to topple a democracy and then invaded Ukraines sovereign borders - and before that they had been financing terror in the donbas. There is no liberation of any kind.

The narrative about brotherhood and liberation is false. Putin's money created a proxy war / frozen conflict where there was nothing but people living peacefully. How does a dictator free you for anything other than becoming his slave? Putin cannot finish the war, he can simply cause as much destruction and innocent deaths as possible, that is what is left for him to avoid an internal coup (another?). The narrative about "goodwill" gestures is another sack of shit.

It is just impossible to believe any of those arguments by simply looking at the basic facts, this is just for Republicans that are trying to justify another Trump term.

Sure hey, I agree, he does not have enough strength to invade Poland and not even enough strength to win over Ukraine - but that is as long as the US, EU an Ukraine actually do something to stop him. Bullies that get their nose punched do not come back for more. You let them their way, they come back again and again.

The flaw in your thinking is that if Russia/Putin has enough strength to do what you say, they certainly have enough strength to win the war... easily win the war.

Then why don't they win it? They are simply not of the mindset to destroy their Ukrainian 'relatives'. After all, the reason they entered Ukraine in the first place was to save their brothers and sisters in Donetsk and the Donbas.

The war isn't against Ukraine. It's against the everlasting encroachment of the US, Nato, and the Federal Reserve banking system.

The claim of having an "oppresed minority" that want to "join Ruzzia" is as bogus as all the rest. People were leaving in peace and many Ukranians speak Russian, Polish and Lithuanian and nobody cares. Ruzzia just pours money to make it look like there is an issue where there is not one and then sends the troops. It is not that they were likely financing, it is that there is clear evidence of military, financial and intelligence support of Ruzzia to create a problem in the fake-publics of the donbas.

And the problem is that this hybrid / frozen conflict way of working can be repeated eg. in Poland. Ruzzia could claim they are not attacking NATO, that is oppressed Polish who have called Putin and Ruzzia just has to deny everything.

The closest thing of an actual "justification" I have heard concerning this war from some proRussian people on the internet, is the argument that people from the eastern regions of Ukraine wanted to belong to the Russian federation, because alledgely they felt more identified as Russian than Ukraine. So Russia pushed some bogus separatist Referendum and probably financed separatist armed group in the east of Ukraine.
Assuming all of it has some factuality, it only would give any legitimate and sovereign country (like Ukraine) more reasons to defend themselves from an agressive neighbor like Russia.
Imagine what would happen if Mexico did something like that to the United States, for example: financing separatist combatants in California, in order to try annexing that state. It would be foolish to assume USA would do nothing about it.

Branko & da here are very selective on what they focus their attention. I am not sure that is any better than what BA does, which is not focusing his attention much in anything being discussed.

In the end this is about Ruzzia deciding that it is ok to impose their geostrategic interest by force, nothing more, nothing really new. My take is that they have misjudged the will of the Ukrainians and the will of the allies. I recall that at the beginning of this conflict Putin sent different letters

What Ruzzia has proven for now is that their army can cause a large economic and infrastructure damage on adjacent countries, but also that Ruzzia goes into a recession when doing so. Ukraine has shown that they effective can apply a porcupine defence - yes you will hurt me, but you are going home with a bruised eye and not much gain.

Speaking of porcupines, have you all seen the fireworks in Moscow?

Indeed, only those zombified by Russian propaganda can justify the Russian invasion of Ukraine. There was no reason to start this war. Ukraine did not threaten russia in any way. They invented a story about the nazis in Ukraine, but in reality the nazis are the Russian leadership that kills peaceful people and the russians themselves who support this war, and every time they rejoice when they hear about another victim among the civilian population of Ukraine

Really?

https://static.poder360.com.br/2022/02/2014-Coup-1.pdf
https://bitterwinter.org/myth-of-american-coups-in-ukraine-3-euromaidan/

And I bet you would fully support "USA" in that scenario just like you're supporting Putin now, right?

Either that or you're again posting random garbage you find on the intertubes without spending five seconds thinking about it.

Urozayna is about to be liberated.



Who in the US says that? There are millions of people in the US, you probably can find one that fully supports your bullshit.

 For example, this article simply states many of the (wrong) points of the Trumpists, not a problem of "the US", like "it is ok to let Ruzzia grab as much as they want", "Ukraine is to blame because they choose to make Ruzzia angry", "this war has no consequence for the US".... all false arguments:

Ukraine is a free and recognised country, no, it is not ok to land-grab from internationally recognised nations, the US has a stake on Ukraine, because letting Ukraine fail will bring more wars in the future and possible a return to the cold war. And Ruzzia has already interfered in the elections in the US and UK and other countries and nobody has invaded  them.

On top of that, it is interesting to see that whoever said that considers that the US can choose the government of Mexico.

However this is interesting...

It is interesting that even this journalist has the clarity to at least see that.

Even Americans say if China did in Mexico what USA did in Ukraine, USA would immediately attack Mexico


https://www.newsweek.com/why-its-us-interest-support-israel-not-ukraine-opinion-1841573

"Just for a minute imagine if an elected Mexican president was replaced in an anti-American coup supported by China,
and then the new regime sought a military alliance with China. Washington would react in very much the same way Moscow did."

Actually none of what you said justifies the invasion. If Ukrainians had attacked Kursk region in February 2022 and killed 1000+ Russian civilians in farms and concerts then I could at least see how one could come up with some sort of comparison between Gaza and Ukraine... except in your parallel universe both Gaza AND Russia are the good guys LOL. Looks like you're... what's the Russian saying, stretching an owl over a globe?

There's really no need to reply just to admit that you don't have the attention span to follow few paragraphs, or that you cannot follow logic that requires more than 2 hops. Simply just say ELI5, and i'll try to simplify things further for you.

So at the very least, US meddled in the Ukrainian 2014 coup, and secretary general of NATO is on record saying that war started in 2014 and NATO has been arming Ukraine since then, even pope said that Ukraine war was ‘perhaps somehow provoked’ but if we close our eyes, ignore everything that doesn't line up with our agenda, start looking at the conflict in vacuum starting from 2022, endlessly repeat that Putin is the aggressor perhaps with enough iterations someone will start to actually believe this, or at the very least we further convince ourselves of this.

Are we playing the contrived questions game or the florid walls of text game?

Not sure why you're still yapping about Cuba, even after you quoted something about the embargo not achieving its objectives. Then Gaza. Can't stay on topic? Might it have something to do with the fact that Putin is the aggressor in this context? So you desperately need to find something else to justify the genocidal gnome? What happened to the whole "human shield" thing, suffering a bit of amnesia here, aren't you?

Keep up the propaganda, maybe the fact that Ukraine has attacked the airbase at Taganrog will go unnoticed. Ruzzia says the missiles or whatever was intercepted as usual, the target probably the airbase where the helicopters have now been sent.

What's new on this... well, Taganrog is in Ruzzia.

It seems that near the dnipro more Ukrainian forces are achieving a degree of advance, nothing serious - not yet anyway. be.open, this is not for you to react, it is for the general information of anyone who reads around here.



Nothing new.

Right!

And the really bad part is BRICS... with Argentina already added, and like forty other nations applying.

BRICS might be taking a while to settle in together. But the settle-in time is giving them more opportunity to work out all kinds of little details. They will be stronger than ever when they get done.

Will the US ever realize that BRICS won't be about money once it is fully formed? When will they see that BRICS is ultimately about taking over the world?

It's quiet astonishing watching you finally come to this realization that US is just using Ukraine to maximize Russia's losses. Yet interesting that you're still holding out hope on that last part, and clinging  to an idea that Nuland just incorrectly measured the problem, and US just continues to mis-measure for over 600+ days now. Denial is a natural response and based on a desire for self-preservation, as accepting the alternative is still just too diabolic for a mind to cope with.


And not just Russia, China has been doing exactly that as well. That's the problem of letting the precedents slide and only addressing them when someone else does it, oh they did it too? then lets start with them, logic. Calling wars "operations", having PMCs, and now China can fully blockade Taiwan (until Taiwanese military gave up all of their food, water and fuel) and apparently that wont be a war crime now.

^^^ The interesting thing is that Russians are not stupid. Their people are watching everything that the American military does. Then they copy and improve... if they don't happen to already have something better.

One nation just gets to decide if and how another nation gets to participate in global trade. But you are technically correct, if you try to bring medicine into Cuba not cleared by US, US navy will not shoot you down now. They'll sanction you and everyone up the chain, including distributors up to and including the manufacturer of said medicine, essentially bankrupting everyone. So not a military blockade, just a financial one. Same results, different wording.

So once again good ol' American exceptionalism, so US has been doing this for 60years even during the time of peace, whole world has been against it for 31yrs now, but of course we all are activated  to suddenly care very deeply about Ukrainian freedoms , and surely a good place to remedy this after it's has been going on for 60yrs, would be to start with...Russia during its current ongoing conflict, the biggest offender right?

Taking this even further they're now trying to set a precedent that even straight up blockading food, energy and fuel (effectively disabling all hospitals) to a whole region, is apparently now is not a war crime, as long as that nation still has military which uses fuel and food (which technically military cannot exist without). Seems like Ukraine abstained from telling Israel to fuck off on that too now, but let's all close our eyes on this one too and only get activated and take a position when someone who you don't support does it right? Pretty much the definition of a double standards, but who cares about rules and laws now.

Ability to export goods for financial benefit during the conflict is the least of my concerns. But for the record I'm against cutting power and not allowing inspected fuel (through red cross or similar) to power the hospital generators (even if military might still have some fuel!), regardless if it's in Gaza or in Ukraine.

If US  and other countries like Germany would supply what Ukraine asks for, we would see different view. Just remember how much time and efforts it took it took until Ukraine got Leopards, ATACMS, Storm Shadow, I'm not even talking about F16. And even after they got these things, it comes with limitations, likethey're not getting missiles with longest possible range. And Germany is still aren't giving Taurus. With all these inside games they gave Russia times to build defense lines, set up proper logistics, make mobilization and etc. And then someone is surprised that ''counteroffensive failed''.

Not just Kerch. There was serious ''arrival'' in occupied Sedove https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1721235952448774536. It's about 100km away from front line. It was ammunition depot and some sources says that russians kept helicopters there too.

Nice interpretation of text. You only forgot to tell that Zelensky is a drug addict and that would be perfect combination.