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legendary
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December 11, 2023, 08:18:15 PM
The result depends on the degree of support. Ukraine has proven more resilient than expected, Europe an US more willing to confront, Ruzzia less powerful than could be expected... so this is a situation can be broken by sending a proper yearly long aid package. As of now, Ukrainians have done a lot with a very limited supply of weapons and limits to their use.
 
In the end, it depends on how good of ally is US going to be and, to be honest, how smart they are about their own stance in the world if they choose to step back.

Something really strange occurred today with the price of Ural Oil. from 80 to 50 US per barrel.

So you agreed that west has been sending less aid than needed for Ukrain's victory for almost 2 years now. And now with war fatigue, changing leaderships, loosing attention to Israel/Palestine conflict, less than 50% of Americans support sending more aid to Ukraine and falling, polls showing Biden loosing to Trump with US going into the elections year, Zelenskiy's popularity falling with infighting in Ukraine's leadership, and US loosing moral high ground with a The United States vetoed a United Nations resolution Friday backed by almost all other Security Council members and many other nations demanding an immediate humanitarian cease-fire in Gaza. how realistic do you think that Ukraine gets "proper yearly long aid package"? Sorry to squash your hopes but this NY times article might hint on the answer.

The New York Times - Dec. 11, 2023
U.S. and Ukraine Search for a New Strategy After Failed Counteroffensive
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The Russian military, after its own failed drive to Kyiv in 2022, has begun to reverse its fortunes and is rebuilding its might. Moscow now has more troops, ammunition and missiles, and has increased its firepower advantage with a fleet of battlefield drones, many of them supplied by Iran, according to American officials.
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The Americans are pushing for a conservative strategy that focuses on holding the territory Ukraine has, digging in and building up supplies and forces over the course of the year. The Ukrainians want to go on the attack, either on the ground or with long-range strikes, with the hopes of seizing the world’s attention.
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Many Ukrainian leaders do not realize how precarious continued U.S. funding for the war is, American officials said. These Ukrainian generals and senior civilian officials have unrealistic expectations about what the United States will supply, they said. They are asking for millions of rounds of artillery, for example, from Western stockpiles that do not exist.

American officials say Ukraine will have to fight on a tighter budget.

Some in the U.S. military want Ukraine to pursue a “hold and build” strategy — to focus on holding the territory it has and building its ability to produce weapons over 2024. The United States believes the strategy will improve Ukraine’s self-sufficiency and ensure Kyiv is in a position to repel any new Russian drive.

The goal would be to create enough of a credible threat that Russia might consider engaging in meaningful negotiations at the end of next year or in 2025.
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American officials say that without a change in strategy, 2024 could be akin to 1916, the deadliest year of World War I, when thousands of young men lost their lives and battle lines changed very little.

Ukrainian hospitals are already filled with injured soldiers. Ambulances moved back and forth from the front throughout this year’s counteroffensive. Ukraine has not released official numbers of its war dead, but the losses, officials concede, have been steep.

The 2023 counteroffensive was built around remaking Ukraine’s army in the image of America’s. It was, critics said, the approach the United States had tried in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, largely unsuccessfully.
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U.S. and Ukrainian strategists did not initially realize how much more Russians were strengthening their defenses. Ukrainian troops training in Germany practiced breaking through defenses far less strong than what they would eventually face.
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Ukraine does not need to claw back all of the nearly 20 percent of the country it has lost to win the war, American officials say.
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American officials are trying to prepare the Ukrainians for next year, telling them that whatever aid Congress approves is not likely to match the kind of funding that Washington provided in the first two years of the war.

“They have to fight smartly and efficiently,” said Michael Kofman, a senior fellow in the Russia and Eurasia program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, who recently visited Ukraine.

Lets redefine winning, and Ukraine now needs to fight in such a way that they loose slower  Undecided conflict of interests at its best
legendary
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December 11, 2023, 06:44:22 PM
It seems that Ukraine has stopped in a quite expedite and violent way the Ruzzian attempt to attack the Krinki bridgehead on the east bank of the dnipro. One could say that the drone operators of Ukraine basically "work from home". The degree of surveillance and potential to destroy anything in 20 km of Kherson is astonishing - nothing moves without Ukraine knowing. The only exception is the air launched heavy bombs, which are inaccurate but in large quantities so occasionally they hit something of value.

Other bits of the front have also some good news, but it changes from day to day, .... stalemate.#

Oh, Be.open you are going to like the price levels in your country... 6% inflation, 3% growth... If you cannot do the math I will for you: Ruzzia is effectively shrinking a 3%.

Ya, indeed

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-dnieper-kherson-river-1851143

"The Odesa outlet Dumskaya described the operation to maintain the bridgehead as resulting in large losses for little achievable purpose.

"Marines cross the river and most are killed as they approach the shore," it said. "There is no talk of any further breakthrough; now the forces are being wasted simply on staying there. For what?"

It called for the Ukrainian command "to curtail this operation," which was going to be linked with the offensive in the Zaporozhzhia region which has already ended."



BTW, how is Russia growth compared with UK 0.5% growth and 6% inflation, is that better than Russia?

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/bulletins/consumerpriceinflation/september2023#:~:text=The%20core%20CPIH%20annual%20inflation,in%20the%20constructed%20historical%20series.

I am not sure you understand the situation, but first things first: a) UK inflation is 4.6%, you are using a year old data. b) UK interest rates are at 5.25%
Now, if you want to compare with Ruzzzzzzzia ... is 7.5%, BUT the rates are above 15%. You have mid-high inflation and high rates. I guess you are trying very hard to ignore that Ruzzia has very limited marging to contain inflation: (a) do nothing a get into hyperinflation (b) raise rates and kill utterly the growth. Even you must know this.

But the funny thing is that it does not matter, because the UK does not have to spend more than a 2% of the gdp on weapons - because the UK is not at war. Ruzzia (surprise surprise) is in a full blown, high-intensity war and can (a) retire an end the war or (b) continue the war and risk hyperinflation or stagflation.

And yes, the risk of hyperinflation is very real because many of the people who should be working have fled (the educated ones) or are in the front (the poor ones) while the production for the war is calling for extra workforce. The recipee for a salary driven inflation is served.

Just pray that the Saudis do not decide to increase the production by a couple million barrels a day at the same time.
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December 11, 2023, 06:25:30 PM
It seems that Ukraine has stopped in a quite expedite and violent way the Ruzzian attempt to attack the Krinki bridgehead on the east bank of the dnipro. One could say that the drone operators of Ukraine basically "work from home". The degree of surveillance and potential to destroy anything in 20 km of Kherson is astonishing - nothing moves without Ukraine knowing. The only exception is the air launched heavy bombs, which are inaccurate but in large quantities so occasionally they hit something of value.

Other bits of the front have also some good news, but it changes from day to day, .... stalemate.#

Oh, Be.open you are going to like the price levels in your country... 6% inflation, 3% growth... If you cannot do the math I will for you: Ruzzia is effectively shrinking a 3%.

Ya, indeed

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-dnieper-kherson-river-1851143

"The Odesa outlet Dumskaya described the operation to maintain the bridgehead as resulting in large losses for little achievable purpose.

"Marines cross the river and most are killed as they approach the shore," it said. "There is no talk of any further breakthrough; now the forces are being wasted simply on staying there. For what?"

It called for the Ukrainian command "to curtail this operation," which was going to be linked with the offensive in the Zaporozhzhia region which has already ended."



BTW, how is Russia growth compared with UK 0.5% growth and 6% inflation, is that better than Russia?

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/bulletins/consumerpriceinflation/september2023#:~:text=The%20core%20CPIH%20annual%20inflation,in%20the%20constructed%20historical%20series.
legendary
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December 11, 2023, 04:15:32 PM
It seems that Ukraine has stopped in a quite expedite and violent way the Ruzzian attempt to attack the Krinki bridgehead on the east bank of the dnipro. One could say that the drone operators of Ukraine basically "work from home". The degree of surveillance and potential to destroy anything in 20 km of Kherson is astonishing - nothing moves without Ukraine knowing. The only exception is the air launched heavy bombs, which are inaccurate but in large quantities so occasionally they hit something of value.
...

Krynki reminds me of the way my cat used to play with a mouse for a while before putting an end to it with a quick bite of the spine.  The Russians get to hit anywhere they want along along a tortuous supply line.  Yet one more illustration of Jewkrainian strategy which screams the goal of losing as many Ukrainians as possible.

Dima in his just-finished show floats the idea that the PR move do draw attention away from the Krynki disaster this time might be the use nBC.  We'll see I guess.

  The Fall | Ukraine is Preparing A Gesture Of Goodwill - Withdrawing. Military Summary For 2023.12.11
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MROIMABiPME

legendary
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December 11, 2023, 02:29:14 PM
Russia is producing 85,000 shells a month right now

Russia spends about 20,000 artillery shells daily

Nothing could possibly go wrong with this brilliant strategy.

Like the US supplying armaments to  Ukraine, Russia is eating into her own stockpiles. That's why she is calling for her people to help manufacture more.

The thing we don't clearly know is, how much ammo is Russia getting from other countries?... like from China in return for the gas going to China through the Siberian pipeline.

Cool
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December 11, 2023, 02:13:56 PM
Russia is producing 85,000 shells a month right now

Russia spends about 20,000 artillery shells daily

Nothing could possibly go wrong with this brilliant strategy.
legendary
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December 11, 2023, 12:32:26 PM
The Ukraine war is in the sidelines... at least for Russia as she expands worldwide... while Ukraine declines with every step she takes.

Cool
legendary
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December 11, 2023, 12:02:52 PM
It seems that Ukraine has stopped in a quite expedite and violent way the Ruzzian attempt to attack the Krinki bridgehead on the east bank of the dnipro. One could say that the drone operators of Ukraine basically "work from home". The degree of surveillance and potential to destroy anything in 20 km of Kherson is astonishing - nothing moves without Ukraine knowing. The only exception is the air launched heavy bombs, which are inaccurate but in large quantities so occasionally they hit something of value.

Other bits of the front have also some good news, but it changes from day to day, .... stalemate.#

Oh, Be.open you are going to like the price levels in your country... 6% inflation, 3% growth... If you cannot do the math I will for you: Ruzzia is effectively shrinking a 3%.
legendary
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December 11, 2023, 10:57:28 AM
^^^ Good point.

But the big point is that with Russia's better general accuracy, they are doing more than 4x the damage on Ukraine.

However, when you are sweeping the floor with a broom, the last little bit is often the hardest. For example, it's easy to sweep up the big piles of dirt. But if you want to get every, tiny speck of dirt, you need to use a wet mop to mop it all up.

Russia is at the wet mop stage with Ukraine, even though they haven't started mopping, yet.

Cool
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December 11, 2023, 12:01:58 AM

But worry not, US has ramped up production so they can spare even more. https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/2023/03/28/us-army-eyes-six-fold-production-boost-of-155mm-shells-used-in-ukraine/

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The Army is spending $1.45 billion on capacity “to expand 155mm artillery production from 14,000 a month to over 24,000 later this year,” and 85,000 in five years, ...

24.000 a month is a good target. High intensity and now sustainable effort.
A really good target is 85,000 rounds per month, which the US plans to achieve within five years. In other words, the US is five years behind Russia in artillery shell production because Russia is producing 85,000 shells a month right now. Try to learn to live with this thought - Russia produces approximately the same amount of artillery shells as all the countries of the collective West combined.

I could almost believe you... if it weren't for that little visit to North Korea by your Chief Psychopath asking the very powerful kingdom, of roughly 25 million people to please supply shells so that the Ruzzian slave army could keep on pushing. Things do not collapse until they collapse, so keep on banking on "global attrition of shells" it may be the only thing you have left to hope for.
This is a high-intensity military conflict, Russia spends about 20,000 artillery shells daily, and Ukraine about 5,000 artillery shells per day. I hope you have not yet lost the ability to do basic arithmetic in order to independently balance daily spending and monthly production.
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December 10, 2023, 05:15:13 PM

But worry not, US has ramped up production so they can spare even more. https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/2023/03/28/us-army-eyes-six-fold-production-boost-of-155mm-shells-used-in-ukraine/

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The Army is spending $1.45 billion on capacity “to expand 155mm artillery production from 14,000 a month to over 24,000 later this year,” and 85,000 in five years, ...

24.000 a month is a good target. High intensity and now sustainable effort.
A really good target is 85,000 rounds per month, which the US plans to achieve within five years. In other words, the US is five years behind Russia in artillery shell production because Russia is producing 85,000 shells a month right now. Try to learn to live with this thought - Russia produces approximately the same amount of artillery shells as all the countries of the collective West combined.

I could almost believe you... if it weren't for that little visit to North Korea by your Chief Psychopath asking the very powerful kingdom, of roughly 25 million people to please supply shells so that the Ruzzian slave army could keep on pushing. Things do not collapse until they collapse, so keep on banking on "global attrition of shells" it may be the only thing you have left to hope for.
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White Russian
December 10, 2023, 12:00:52 AM

But worry not, US has ramped up production so they can spare even more. https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/2023/03/28/us-army-eyes-six-fold-production-boost-of-155mm-shells-used-in-ukraine/

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The Army is spending $1.45 billion on capacity “to expand 155mm artillery production from 14,000 a month to over 24,000 later this year,” and 85,000 in five years, ...

24.000 a month is a good target. High intensity and now sustainable effort.
A really good target is 85,000 rounds per month, which the US plans to achieve within five years. In other words, the US is five years behind Russia in artillery shell production because Russia is producing 85,000 shells a month right now. Try to learn to live with this thought - Russia produces approximately the same amount of artillery shells as all the countries of the collective West combined.
legendary
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December 09, 2023, 07:59:08 PM

155mm is not "depleted worldwide", only the excess stocks have been sent to Ukraine, while most countries keep their strategic stock pretty much intact. The US has not passed to Ukraine anything they cannot spare without hindering their ability to wage two significant wars. South Korea has stocks of unknown depth. Perhaps only Europe is doing more of an effort.

But worry not, US has ramped up production so they can spare even more. https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/2023/03/28/us-army-eyes-six-fold-production-boost-of-155mm-shells-used-in-ukraine/

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The Army is spending $1.45 billion on capacity “to expand 155mm artillery production from 14,000 a month to over 24,000 later this year,” and 85,000 in five years, ...

24.000 a month is a good target. High intensity and now sustainable effort.

Yep, there is a dip for sure. Just follow URAL oil, not the general commodity chart.
https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/urals-oil


Sometimes, unintentionally, even politicians say the truth

https://nypost.com/2023/07/09/biden-lets-slip-during-interview-us-low-on-artillery-ammunition-rounds-as-it-tries-to-aid-ukraine/

...and, you reposted my link to prove I'm wrong? On both your and mine (same) link current price is $56, not $50, and last time it was $80
was 2 months ago, not yesterday as you suggested

Whatever you say on oil.

On being "low on ammo", I have not heard the declaration, but you must understand what being "low" means in the context of the US army. They simply cannot sleep if they know that they could not invade Iran and China, while defending from Ruzzia at the same time in a month. All the US army is an overkill of stores, technologies, personnel and supply chains.

And yet still, this is not what you said - "stocks globally low" is not "US stocks low".

Edited to add: It seems that Australia may be transfering quite a few F-18 planes to Ukraine. A bit of an old beast, but carries a lot of payload.
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December 09, 2023, 06:09:16 PM

Cool one.  Glad I wasn't around!

  Insane Explosion:🔥Russian T-55 Kamikaze tank was packed full of explosives then sent to AFU dugout
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/5qRJEXgai0Ow/

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December 09, 2023, 12:36:51 PM

155mm is not "depleted worldwide", only the excess stocks have been sent to Ukraine, while most countries keep their strategic stock pretty much intact. The US has not passed to Ukraine anything they cannot spare without hindering their ability to wage two significant wars. South Korea has stocks of unknown depth. Perhaps only Europe is doing more of an effort.

But worry not, US has ramped up production so they can spare even more. https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/2023/03/28/us-army-eyes-six-fold-production-boost-of-155mm-shells-used-in-ukraine/

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The Army is spending $1.45 billion on capacity “to expand 155mm artillery production from 14,000 a month to over 24,000 later this year,” and 85,000 in five years, ...

24.000 a month is a good target. High intensity and now sustainable effort.

Yep, there is a dip for sure. Just follow URAL oil, not the general commodity chart.
https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/urals-oil


Sometimes, unintentionally, even politicians say the truth

https://nypost.com/2023/07/09/biden-lets-slip-during-interview-us-low-on-artillery-ammunition-rounds-as-it-tries-to-aid-ukraine/

...and, you reposted my link to prove I'm wrong? On both your and mine (same) link current price is $56, not $50, and last time it was $80
was 2 months ago, not yesterday as you suggested
legendary
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December 09, 2023, 08:41:41 AM
The result depends on the degree of support. Ukraine has proven more resilient than expected, Europe an US more willing to confront, Ruzzia less powerful than could be expected... so this is a situation can be broken by sending a proper yearly long aid package. As of now, Ukrainians have done a lot with a very limited supply of weapons and limits to their use.
 
In the end, it depends on how good of ally is US going to be and, to be honest, how smart they are about their own stance in the world if they choose to step back.

Something really strange occurred today with the price of Ural Oil. from 80 to 50 US per barrel.

So limited that it depleted 155mm rounds worldwide, while many countries will need years to replenish ATGMs

Urals oil is at $56 and it was nowhere near $80 for a while

https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/urals-oil

just following global oil market

https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/crude-oil

155mm is not "depleted worldwide", only the excess stocks have been sent to Ukraine, while most countries keep their strategic stock pretty much intact. The US has not passed to Ukraine anything they cannot spare without hindering their ability to wage two significant wars. South Korea has stocks of unknown depth. Perhaps only Europe is doing more of an effort.

But worry not, US has ramped up production so they can spare even more. https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/2023/03/28/us-army-eyes-six-fold-production-boost-of-155mm-shells-used-in-ukraine/

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The Army is spending $1.45 billion on capacity “to expand 155mm artillery production from 14,000 a month to over 24,000 later this year,” and 85,000 in five years, ...

24.000 a month is a good target. High intensity and now sustainable effort.

Yep, there is a dip for sure. Just follow URAL oil, not the general commodity chart.
https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/urals-oil
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December 09, 2023, 06:34:06 AM
The result depends on the degree of support. Ukraine has proven more resilient than expected, Europe an US more willing to confront, Ruzzia less powerful than could be expected... so this is a situation can be broken by sending a proper yearly long aid package. As of now, Ukrainians have done a lot with a very limited supply of weapons and limits to their use.
 
In the end, it depends on how good of ally is US going to be and, to be honest, how smart they are about their own stance in the world if they choose to step back.

Something really strange occurred today with the price of Ural Oil. from 80 to 50 US per barrel.

So limited that it depleted 155mm rounds worldwide, while many countries will need years to replenish ATGMs

Urals oil is at $56 and it was nowhere near $80 for a while

https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/urals-oil

just following global oil market

https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/crude-oil
legendary
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December 08, 2023, 08:47:47 PM
The result depends on the degree of support. Ukraine has proven more resilient than expected, Europe an US more willing to confront, Ruzzia less powerful than could be expected... so this is a situation can be broken by sending a proper yearly long aid package. As of now, Ukrainians have done a lot with a very limited supply of weapons and limits to their use.
 
In the end, it depends on how good of ally is US going to be and, to be honest, how smart they are about their own stance in the world if they choose to step back.

Something really strange occurred today with the price of Ural Oil. from 80 to 50 US per barrel.
sr. member
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December 08, 2023, 02:48:04 PM
Except Paxmao and few Ukrainian bots here, even Ukrainians see the truth

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/articles/2023/12/7/7431958/

"I’d even go so far as to say that this isn’t even a stalemate on the chessboard now: we’re on the point of losing the war.
 I believe that our people are mature enough to be told the truth. And this truth needs to come from the Supreme Commander-in-Chief."

Ukrainian telegram channel
https://t.me/legitimniy/16817


"Everyone realized that now Ukraine cannot win.  The offensives have failed, equipment reserves have thinned out, the shortage of ammunition has worsened,
public disappointment is off the charts, and no one wants to fight.

 Now the populists from the Office of the President are realizing that it is necessary to pump up the defense case, but it will be difficult to package this into “victory,”
 but they are trying, promising people fairy tales again.  But everyone soberly understands that from the risk point of view, Ukraine’s future looks like this:
 - gradual loss of territories
 - gradual collapse of defense
 - increased internal squabbling
 - financial crisis
 - social crisis
 - disappointment
 - banking crisis
 - energy and fuel crisis
 - bankruptcy of many farmers, carriers, etc.
 - poverty
 - increase in mortality
 - increased repression as Zelensky tries to retain power
 The list goes on, but there is nothing good.  Zelensky chose slow and painful death/collapse/chaos for Ukraine.
 But he could have changed the course of events many times and prevented literally everything that the Ukrainians are now reaping.  "
legendary
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December 08, 2023, 02:17:00 PM

  Scott Ritter: Seymour Hersh source on Russia-Ukraine negotiations is far from reality
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/WMHZmls04n6r/

Not so sure, Scott.  I predicted a few weeks into this thing that Russia would probably leave Odessa and Kharkiv alone which to this day seems to be holding.

I maintain that there is a very good possibility that Russia is A) every bit as much under the hidden hand of the small-hats as is the U.S. and friends in NATO, and B) working as much with as against NATO in a program to depopulate the area.  From day one the West simply dribbled out weapon in quantities not sufficient to hurt the Russian military machine a lot.  Hell, Russia proper never even had to do any real offensive fighting until after Bakmud (and even afterward not a lot) since contractors did most of the dying.  (10/1-ish kill ratio seems to be real, but does it make any military sense?  Scott?)  Economically and on the world stage, Russia goes from strength to strength so the 'SMO' has been a giant gift to them.  And a huge gift to the insiders both in Ukraine and in the West who've made bank selling off the weapons which theoretical were to have gone to the front among other schemes.

The end-game would be the so-called 'Russians' donating/selling/gifting/granting many of the parts of Ukraine that the Russian meat-puppet boys have already won, minus the parts they are going to apportion to Poland or make a possible rump Ukrainian state in N and W Swastikistan, over to the 'heavenly Jerusalem' project.  If things play out in Israel as they very possibly could, the more Ashkanizi-ish of the Israelis could be needing a new homeland, and why not right back in the 'pale of settlement' where they came from?  The Sephardim?  Well, their God demands his sacrifices from time to time.

What an amazing coincidence was the timing between the freeing up of highly fertile pale-of-settlement lands and the 40-beheaded-babies which caused misfortune in the barren wasteland shit-hole known to the mouthbreather religious classes as the 'promised land'.

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