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November 13, 2023, 01:12:52 PM
https://www.thedailybeast.com/ukraine-troops-extremely-nervous-that-us-is-now-focused-on-gaza

"When asked about his biggest concern, a soldier named Spenser wrote on a messaging app,
“Without the support of the United States and others, we will be forced to retreat if the enemy troops advance on all fronts.
We have partners, and we will receive help from them, but it will be much less, or the war will (reach) Lviv.”"
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November 13, 2023, 11:30:12 AM
To me it does not make much sense to blame Russia for the destruction of the North stream pipeline, to be honest. After the beginning of the invasion of Ukraine, the Klemlin probably wanted to use such pipeline as leverage and manipulate the involvement of Germany and the rest of the west Europe into the the war, but it did not happened because it got blown up by some agency.
To me it is pretty reasonable to believe that act was carried out by either the United States of Ukraine, in order to minimize the manipulation or Power Russia could have had over the politics of west Europe.
Regardless who did it, I would say their plan went as planned and Germany as started to seek for other energy alternatives away from the Russian Gas and petroleum.
If It was Ukraine itself which did it, I would assume they only did so under the authorization of the American CIA
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November 13, 2023, 10:42:32 AM
^^^ It took a little brainwashing to wake those people up. Now that Russia has waked them up to the truth of how vicious Ukraine really is, they are fighting for Russia with an enthusiasm that makes Russia feel sorry for them when they lose their lives.

Gradually the Viciousness and wickedness of Ukraine is coming out into the open, despite all that the US and Ukraine can do to stop this from happening.


WaPo Drops Bombshell On The Nord Stream Pipeline Sabotage Narrative: A Ukrainian Colonel, Covert Ops, & The CIA's Shadow



https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/wapo-drops-bombshell-nord-stream-pipeline-sabotage-narrative-ukrainian-colonel-covert
Consider the source (and the timing)...

No lesser deep-state mouthpiece than The Washington Post just dropped a bombshell with the revelation that Ukrainian Colonel Roman Chervinsky "was integral to the brazen sabotage operation" on the Nord Stream pipeline, "according to officials in Ukraine and elsewhere in Europe, as well as other people knowledgeable about the details of the covert operation."

The bombing, dubbed a "dangerous assault on Europe's energy infrastructure" by US and Western officials at the time, marked a critical juncture in the ongoing tensions between Russia and the West. By targeting the pipeline, the operatives (whoever they were) struck a blow to a critical artery of Russian energy exports, a sector that has been at the heart of European-Russian economic relations.

Additionally, as the Goebbels-ian narrative that 'Russia did it' was pushed by mainstream media (and politicians), it enabled further 'aid' to be sent to Ukraine, to 'protect interests'.

Chervinsky, a senior figure within Ukraine's Special Operations Forces, was allegedly the "coordinator" of the attack on the Nord Stream pipeline. The operation, executed with precision and secrecy, involved deep-sea diving and explosive charges, ultimately resulting in substantial damage to the pipeline which Ukraine had long complained would allow Russia to bypass Ukrainian pipes, depriving Kyiv of huge transit revenue.

Of course, as one would expect, the Ukrainian Colonel, via his counsel, refutes any involvement in the pipeline sabotage, blaming Russia for this accusation.
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November 13, 2023, 08:45:59 AM
So at the very least, US meddled in the Ukrainian 2014 coup, and secretary general of NATO is on record saying that war started in 2014 and NATO has been arming Ukraine since then, even pope said that Ukraine war was ‘perhaps somehow provoked’ but if we close our eyes, ignore everything that doesn't line up with our agenda, start looking at the conflict in vacuum starting from 2022, endlessly repeat that Putin is the aggressor perhaps with enough iterations someone will start to actually believe this, or at the very least we further convince ourselves of this.

Actually none of what you said justifies the invasion. If Ukrainians had attacked Kursk region in February 2022 and killed 1000+ Russian civilians in farms and concerts then I could at least see how one could come up with some sort of comparison between Gaza and Ukraine... except in your parallel universe both Gaza AND Russia are the good guys LOL. Looks like you're... what's the Russian saying, stretching an owl over a globe?

Indeed, only those zombified by Russian propaganda can justify the Russian invasion of Ukraine. There was no reason to start this war. Ukraine did not threaten russia in any way. They invented a story about the nazis in Ukraine, but in reality the nazis are the Russian leadership that kills peaceful people and the russians themselves who support this war, and every time they rejoice when they hear about another victim among the civilian population of Ukraine

The closest thing of an actual "justification" I have heard concerning this war from some proRussian people on the internet, is the argument that people from the eastern regions of Ukraine wanted to belong to the Russian federation, because alledgely they felt more identified as Russian than Ukraine. So Russia pushed some bogus separatist Referendum and probably financed separatist armed group in the east of Ukraine.
Assuming all of it has some factuality, it only would give any legitimate and sovereign country (like Ukraine) more reasons to defend themselves from an agressive neighbor like Russia.
Imagine what would happen if Mexico did something like that to the United States, for example: financing separatist combatants in California, in order to try annexing that state. It would be foolish to assume USA would do nothing about it.
The truth is that Russia has brainwashed the residents of eastern Ukraine very well. Their propaganda worked quite well, but after they found themselves in the so-called republics of the DNR and LNR, they completely fooled them. And after Russia started a full-scale war, they felt even more sorry because those men who lived under occupation in the DNR and LNR were mobilized by Russia for the war against Ukraine. They simply use these men as cannon fodder
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November 13, 2023, 05:04:15 AM
It seems that Ruzzia is set on Avdiivka at no matter the cost. I guess they believe that if they ignore the dnipro problem hard enough it may go away?
Yep. Taking Avdiivka is not a high priority from a military point of view, but it is important from a political point of view as part of the creation of a security buffer to prevent regular shelling of Donetsk from cannon artillery. Therefore, the pressure on Avdiivka will continue, and now the situation there for Ukraine is worse than it was in Bakhmut, the pincers on the flanks are tightening and the only supply road to Avdiivka is under tight fire control. I already said earlier, I think Avdeevka will be taken or end up in a cauldron before the New Year.

As for the Dnieper problem, it exists mainly in your imagination. The Ukrainian contingent on the left bank of the Dnieper does not exceed a couple of hundred people in number and without armored vehicles. Russian military officers have already nicknamed this situation “a shooting gallery in Krynki”; yesterday heavy flamethrower systems were fired at Krynki, and artillery and bomb strikes are also being carried out continuously. Activity on the left bank of the Dnieper is not a problem for Russia; rather, it is a problem for Ukraine.
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November 13, 2023, 12:39:00 AM
So at the very least, US meddled in the Ukrainian 2014 coup, and secretary general of NATO is on record saying that war started in 2014 and NATO has been arming Ukraine since then, even pope said that Ukraine war was ‘perhaps somehow provoked’ but if we close our eyes, ignore everything that doesn't line up with our agenda, start looking at the conflict in vacuum starting from 2022, endlessly repeat that Putin is the aggressor perhaps with enough iterations someone will start to actually believe this, or at the very least we further convince ourselves of this.

Actually none of what you said justifies the invasion. If Ukrainians had attacked Kursk region in February 2022 and killed 1000+ Russian civilians in farms and concerts then I could at least see how one could come up with some sort of comparison between Gaza and Ukraine... except in your parallel universe both Gaza AND Russia are the good guys LOL. Looks like you're... what's the Russian saying, stretching an owl over a globe?


Which of the multiple global invasions involving US you feel were justified? Ah, right i forgot 'For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law'. Ukraine can abstain on the UN vote to end US embargo on Cuba, but Russia and China shouldn't have any national interest in the countries bordering them. And then everyone acts shocked when Russia and China don't wish to play by such rules. Israel killed more innocent humans during one month in Gaza Strip with a population of 2,3MM (half of which are children) then Russia did in Ukraine over 1,5+yrs of war in Ukraine. All of that under the guise of two US aircraft carriers and a nuclear submarine, but it's only Putin who has blood on his hands. Sorry to bust your bubble, but the world isn't fair, and setting precedents just paves the way for others.


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The flaw in your thinking is that if Russia/Putin has enough strength to do what you say, they certainly have enough strength to win the war... easily win the war.

Then why don't they win it? They are simply not of the mindset to destroy their Ukrainian 'relatives'. After all, the reason they entered Ukraine in the first place was to save their brothers and sisters in Donetsk and the Donbas.

The war isn't against Ukraine. It's against the everlasting encroachment of the US, Nato, and the Federal Reserve banking system.

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No this is a war in which Ruzzia has tried to topple a democracy and then invaded Ukraines sovereign borders - and before that they had been financing terror in the donbas. There is no liberation of any kind.

The narrative about brotherhood and liberation is false. Putin's money created a proxy war / frozen conflict where there was nothing but people living peacefully. How does a dictator free you for anything other than becoming his slave? Putin cannot finish the war, he can simply cause as much destruction and innocent deaths as possible, that is what is left for him to avoid an internal coup (another?). The narrative about "goodwill" gestures is another sack of shit.

It is just impossible to believe any of those arguments by simply looking at the basic facts, this is just for Republicans that are trying to justify another Trump term.

Sure hey, I agree, he does not have enough strength to invade Poland and not even enough strength to win over Ukraine - but that is as long as the US, EU an Ukraine actually do something to stop him. Bullies that get their nose punched do not come back for more. You let them their way, they come back again and again.



I truly suspect that not all of what Putin and his cronies are doing is honorable. But it is far more honorable than Zelensky and HIS cronies. After all, the whole voting scheme in the Ukraine was manipulated by the US. You can tell by the millions of Ukrainians who fled to Russia for salvation from the Zelensky group.

Democracy is simply a more complex, group Dictatorship. In this case, it is being used by the US to attempt to bring Russia down through Ukraine. All of what Russia is doing is simply self-protection.

You are entirely missing what is going on... or you are a US/Nato/Ukraine propagandist. And the big thing you are trying to hide is your contradiction regarding the war. If Russia has enough strength to do the things that you accuse them of, they certainly have enough strength to win the war by force, easily... if their goal was to simply destroy Ukraine.

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You suspect that Putin & Co are not honorable? Well, I can confirm. https://www.osce.org/odihr/548662

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arbitrary imprisonment and enforced disappearances of civilians living in areas under occupation are occurring with alarming frequency, with widespread reports of the use of torture and ill-treatment, the OSCE Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights (ODIHR)

So, you have read or heard somewhere that Ukrainians mostly went to Ruzzia. I can rebate that:https://geopoliticalfutures.com/ukrainians-take-flight/



So... most of them to Poland, final destination.

About the dictatorship of a group, I cannot comment. The allegations of fraud in US have not ever been supported nor any proof has been made available to the justice. So... I somehow have the feeling that you are ok with dictators, like Putin, as long as they are your dictators.

I think that what you feel about the fed & the US federal government is pretty much one tenth of what Ukrainians and many Russians have to endure everyday of their lives. But you somehow are absolutely ok with THEM suffering it.


Enough of the fakes   Angry https://data2.unhcr.org/en/situations/ukraine/location?secret=unhcrrestricted as of 31 December 2022 1.275.315 refugees from Ukraine went to Russia. We've already been through this, so you're well aware and can't claim ignorance, yet you continue to post fakes and pictures with some pretty colors. Stop it already Angry



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 And to the scale of this war, it does not look too much to ask: electronic warfare means, means to counter drones, mine clearing, improved air defence,... perhaps the most expensive elements are the airframes required to balance the sky. It is clear that the best way to clear a trench is not a shell, is not a scattered munition projectile, but simply sending a 2000 pound bomb that kills anything trenched or not in 50 meters around. That type of bombardment would give Ukraine a good chance of achieving a breakthrough.

If anyone is trying to make this sound like disagreements, critics to the government,... well, they are factually wrong. The only criticism is to the allies that should provide the right means to end this quickly and create the conditions for a lasting peace.


You mean one that Russia already have and uses daily?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/09/07/russias-got-a-giant-new-glide-bomb/

https://bloknot.ru/v-mire/desyatki-ubity-h-ofitserov-vsu-i-nato-pryamoe-popadanie-fab-1500-unichtozhilo-shtab-pod-soledarom-1177818.html

Yes, similar to those - but just ones that can hit the target instead of anything in a 500 meter radius from the target like the Ruzzi Random-Gliders. Also, preferable if they detonate 20 meters above ground instead of randomly detonating or not depending on the dachas that were bought with the budget for bombs.

It seems that Ruzzia is set on Avdiivka at no matter the cost. I guess they believe that if they ignore the dnipro problem hard enough it may go away?

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November 12, 2023, 03:15:57 PM

 And to the scale of this war, it does not look too much to ask: electronic warfare means, means to counter drones, mine clearing, improved air defence,... perhaps the most expensive elements are the airframes required to balance the sky. It is clear that the best way to clear a trench is not a shell, is not a scattered munition projectile, but simply sending a 2000 pound bomb that kills anything trenched or not in 50 meters around. That type of bombardment would give Ukraine a good chance of achieving a breakthrough.

If anyone is trying to make this sound like disagreements, critics to the government,... well, they are factually wrong. The only criticism is to the allies that should provide the right means to end this quickly and create the conditions for a lasting peace.


You mean one that Russia already have and uses daily?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/09/07/russias-got-a-giant-new-glide-bomb/

https://bloknot.ru/v-mire/desyatki-ubity-h-ofitserov-vsu-i-nato-pryamoe-popadanie-fab-1500-unichtozhilo-shtab-pod-soledarom-1177818.html
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November 12, 2023, 02:48:47 PM
Now the US is trying to gracefully back out of Ukraine by blaming the Zelensky team for Nordstream. Gee, paxmao, you weren't the one who took out Nordstream, were you? Lol.

"Brighteon Broadcast News, Nov 12, 2023 - US prepares for UKRAINE COLLAPSE by blaming Zelensky and his top military officials for Nordstream sabotage."

https://www.brighteon.com/554b6c92-fe8a-41ec-999b-ef551d7a024a

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November 12, 2023, 12:35:41 PM
Zelensky sending Ukrainian men and women into the MEAT GRINDER with lunatic orders



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Continued Russian milblogger discussion of widespread Russian infantry-led frontal assaults highlights the challenges Russia will face in using massed infantry assaults to offset the problems contributing to the current positional warfare identified by Ukrainian Commander-in-Chief General Valerii Zaluzhnyi. One milblogger emphasized on November 11 that the Russian practice of conducting tactical assaults intended to storm Ukrainian fortified positions in forest areas of Donbas will not translate into a wider operational breakthrough anywhere on the front.[18] The milblogger noted that there is no way to train enough Russian personnel for the intensive frontal assaults required for significant advances in Ukraine.[19] Another milblogger claimed that the Russian military is about to experience a "real renaissance of infantry combat" because there are fewer tanks, infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs), and armored personnel carriers (APCs) close to the frontline.[20] A critical milblogger responded to the "infantry renaissance" comment and remarked that the comment is a negative reflection of Russian equipment losses and poor frontline coordination that has created a reliance on assault tactics.[21] A Russian Spetsnaz-affiliated Telegram channel additionally complained that the reliance on infantry-led frontal assaults is heavily attriting all Spetsnaz elements that have deployed to Ukraine because the Russian command has reportedly been using Spetsnaz forces for frontal assaults since the beginning of the war.[22] Spetsnaz forces are not meant to conduct such infantry-led assaults like standard Russian motorized rifle infantry, and some Russian sources are clearly frustrated with the ramifications of the misapplication of such Spetsnaz elements.

ISW has previously observed that Russian forces are increasingly relying on such infantry-led frontal assaults, likely to compensate for a lack of adequately trained personnel and due to widespread equipment losses.[23] The Russian General Staff appears to be relying heavily on frontal assaults as the predominant tactic in Ukraine as an important part of the Russian solution to the problems of "military parity" laid out by Zaluzhnyi's essay on the issue of "positional warfare."[24]

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I went through the interview with Zaluzhnyi, it is very clear that he is requesting the means required to break a stalemate. He speaks of a stalemate that if maintained for a long time might benefit Ruzzia.

 And to the scale of this war, it does not look too much to ask: electronic warfare means, means to counter drones, mine clearing, improved air defence,... perhaps the most expensive elements are the airframes required to balance the sky. It is clear that the best way to clear a trench is not a shell, is not a scattered munition projectile, but simply sending a 2000 pound bomb that kills anything trenched or not in 50 meters around. That type of bombardment would give Ukraine a good chance of achieving a breakthrough.

If anyone is trying to make this sound like disagreements, critics to the government,... well, they are factually wrong. The only criticism is to the allies that should provide the right means to end this quickly and create the conditions for a lasting peace.
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November 11, 2023, 10:33:15 PM
Zelensky sending Ukrainian men and women into the MEAT GRINDER with lunatic orders



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Putin sending Russian men and women into the MEAT GRINDER with lunatic orders

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Continued Russian milblogger discussion of widespread Russian infantry-led frontal assaults highlights the challenges Russia will face in using massed infantry assaults to offset the problems contributing to the current positional warfare identified by Ukrainian Commander-in-Chief General Valerii Zaluzhnyi. One milblogger emphasized on November 11 that the Russian practice of conducting tactical assaults intended to storm Ukrainian fortified positions in forest areas of Donbas will not translate into a wider operational breakthrough anywhere on the front.[18] The milblogger noted that there is no way to train enough Russian personnel for the intensive frontal assaults required for significant advances in Ukraine.[19] Another milblogger claimed that the Russian military is about to experience a "real renaissance of infantry combat" because there are fewer tanks, infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs), and armored personnel carriers (APCs) close to the frontline.[20] A critical milblogger responded to the "infantry renaissance" comment and remarked that the comment is a negative reflection of Russian equipment losses and poor frontline coordination that has created a reliance on assault tactics.[21] A Russian Spetsnaz-affiliated Telegram channel additionally complained that the reliance on infantry-led frontal assaults is heavily attriting all Spetsnaz elements that have deployed to Ukraine because the Russian command has reportedly been using Spetsnaz forces for frontal assaults since the beginning of the war.[22] Spetsnaz forces are not meant to conduct such infantry-led assaults like standard Russian motorized rifle infantry, and some Russian sources are clearly frustrated with the ramifications of the misapplication of such Spetsnaz elements.

ISW has previously observed that Russian forces are increasingly relying on such infantry-led frontal assaults, likely to compensate for a lack of adequately trained personnel and due to widespread equipment losses.[23] The Russian General Staff appears to be relying heavily on frontal assaults as the predominant tactic in Ukraine as an important part of the Russian solution to the problems of "military parity" laid out by Zaluzhnyi's essay on the issue of "positional warfare."[24]

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November 11, 2023, 08:07:55 PM

Lol. You jokers simply aren't following reality. Of course, since you follow your comedian hero, Zelensky, it's understandable.
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First of all, I am not joking, I think you really need to go back to secondary school, unless you are there already, which would explain lots of things.

Now to real people doing real things: The west bank of the dnipro river is starting to be a serious issue for Ruzzia. The Ukrainians are making gains in what looks as a nearly unopposed landing, as the Ruzzian orcs in the area seem not to have those vehicles and means that have been sent to Avdiivka - the price to pay for doing WW I meat attacks I guess.


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November 11, 2023, 09:55:00 AM

Lol. You jokers simply aren't following reality. Of course, since you follow your comedian hero, Zelensky, it's understandable.

Take a look at the bottom statement in this post. It's bolded so that you can find it easily. You really need to head out there and help your poor, little, comedian comrade so that he doesn't lose the war. Lol.


Pentagon Is Starting To Restrict Flow Of Military Aid To Ukraine As Money Runs Out



https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/pentagon-starting-restrict-flow-military-aid-ukraine-money-runs-out
With war funding for both Ukraine and Israel now seemingly snarled up beyond repair in Congress, on Thursday the Pentagon said that funding delays have forced the US to begin restricting the flow of military assistance to Ukraine, and the Pentagon has only $1 billion left to replenish stocks of weapons that were sent to the country, according to a spokeswoman.

"We have had to meter out our support for Ukraine," Deputy Pentagon spokeswoman Sabrina Singh told reporters. "We're going to continue to roll out packages but they are getting smaller."

Singh urged Congress to break a deadlock and approve the Biden administration's $61.4 billion request for emergency funds for Ukraine's fight against Russia, part of a masive $106 billion package that would include aid for Israel and the US-Mexico border, but which now has virtually no chance of passing.
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Zelensky “deludes” himself into thinking Ukraine can win the war, aide says



https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-11-10-zelensky-deludes-himself-ukraine-win-war-aide.html
Despite an utterly failed counteroffensive coupled with massively waning support from the West, Ukrainian president and former stripper Volodymyr Zelensky is said to be telling his top advisors that he still believes Ukraine will win the war against Russia.

One of Zelensky's closest aides told TIME magazine that Zelensky has completely deluded himself into believing that Ukraine will win, and "does not intend to give up fighting or to sue for any kind of peace" – and why would he if U.S. taxpayers continue footing the bill while he continues to funnel young Ukrainian men and women in to the woodchopper known as war?

"On the contrary," the aide added, "[Zelensky's] belief in Ukraine's ultimate victory over Russia has hardened into a form that worries some of his advisors. It is immovable, verging on the messianic."

The aide said point-blank that Zelensky "deludes himself" with these visions of victorious grandeur, even though they hold no basis in reality and are making Zelensky appear crazy.

"We're out of options," the aide added. "We're not winning. But try telling him that."

The idea of even trying to negotiate peace or even just a temporary truce with Russia remains a taboo subject for Zelensky, who refuses to back down no matter what.

"For us, it would mean leaving this wound open for future generations," Zelensky himself told TIME about the reasoning behind his position.

"Maybe it will calm some people down inside our country, and outside, at least those who want to wrap things up at any price. But for me, that's a problem, because we are left with this explosive force. We only delay its detonation."

(Related: All those U.S. tax dollars being shipped off to Ukraine are being used by Zelensky and his buddies to expand their wallets.)

Zelensky sending Ukrainian men and women into the MEAT GRINDER with lunatic orders
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November 10, 2023, 03:24:04 PM
exiled opposition leader

LOL no he's not. He's a Kremlin plant who got arrested trying to flee and then was traded to Russia in exchange for prisoners of war. I think he was supposed to organize pro-Russian support in Ukraine but just took Putin's money and didn't do much... probably didn't think that Putin would be dumb enough to invade. Putin is his daughter's godfather. Those family dinners are a bit awkward now I suppose.

I wonder if he accepts the tea later in the afternoon.
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November 10, 2023, 03:07:48 PM
exiled opposition leader

LOL no he's not. He's a Kremlin plant who got arrested trying to flee and then was traded to Russia in exchange for prisoners of war. I think he was supposed to organize pro-Russian support in Ukraine but just took Putin's money and didn't do much... probably didn't think that Putin would be dumb enough to invade. Putin is his daughter's godfather. Those family dinners are a bit awkward now I suppose.

He's not the only good plant in Russia. There are a lot of good plants in Russia. Consider the short vid at https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/6800fd9a-4e0c-4515-98ff-839acf5d8f62.

Got a credible link?

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November 10, 2023, 01:58:59 PM
exiled opposition leader

LOL no he's not. He's a Kremlin plant who got arrested trying to flee and then was traded to Russia in exchange for prisoners of war. I think he was supposed to organize pro-Russian support in Ukraine but just took Putin's money and didn't do much... probably didn't think that Putin would be dumb enough to invade. Putin is his daughter's godfather. Those family dinners are a bit awkward now I suppose.
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November 10, 2023, 01:39:13 PM
The war is almost over. Zelensky has nowhere to turn for more help. The US is too busy with Israel. Zelensky is done.

See, also: SPOILED BRAT: Zelensky sulks as Israel conflict diverts attention away from Ukraine - https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-11-09-zelensky-sulks-israel-takes-away-attention-ukraine.html.


Zelensky will be Ukraine’s last president – exiled opposition leader



https://www.rt.com/russia/586508-medvedchuk-zelensky-column-traitor/
The country’s political system has become mired in betrayal and militarism because of the head of state, Viktor Medvedchuk has claimed

Ex-Ukrainian opposition leader Viktor Medvedchuk, now in exile in Russia, denounced Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky in a column published by the Russian media platform Smotrim on Friday. The politician claimed that the current Ukrainian head of state may well be the last, and he will only have himself to blame.

Medvedchuk branded Zelensky a merciless “professional traitor” whose pattern of stabbing everyone in the back for his own gain has ruined the country.

After being elected president on a platform of peace with Russia and reconciliation with Donbass, Zelensky “ceded power to radical nationalists, adopting their rhetoric and behavior,” Medvedchuk wrote. In doing that, he betrayed the people who voted for him.

“Zelensky simply got scared of becoming a peacemaker since it would require him to oppose aggressive forces inside and outside of the country,” he argued.
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Ukraine’s top security official threatens Zelensky critics

Instead of delivering on the promise of fighting corruption, he and his team “saddled the financial flows.” And after hostilities with Russia broke out last year, the president “realized that the war can be profitable” too. According to Medvedchuk, Zelensky acted as a US tool to pressure European nations to sacrifice their economic well-being for Ukraine.

“In fact, Zelensky betrayed the interests of not only Ukraine but also the EU,” he claimed.
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November 09, 2023, 03:19:30 PM
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The flaw in your thinking is that if Russia/Putin has enough strength to do what you say, they certainly have enough strength to win the war... easily win the war.

Then why don't they win it? They are simply not of the mindset to destroy their Ukrainian 'relatives'. After all, the reason they entered Ukraine in the first place was to save their brothers and sisters in Donetsk and the Donbas.

The war isn't against Ukraine. It's against the everlasting encroachment of the US, Nato, and the Federal Reserve banking system.

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No this is a war in which Ruzzia has tried to topple a democracy and then invaded Ukraines sovereign borders - and before that they had been financing terror in the donbas. There is no liberation of any kind.

The narrative about brotherhood and liberation is false. Putin's money created a proxy war / frozen conflict where there was nothing but people living peacefully. How does a dictator free you for anything other than becoming his slave? Putin cannot finish the war, he can simply cause as much destruction and innocent deaths as possible, that is what is left for him to avoid an internal coup (another?). The narrative about "goodwill" gestures is another sack of shit.

It is just impossible to believe any of those arguments by simply looking at the basic facts, this is just for Republicans that are trying to justify another Trump term.

Sure hey, I agree, he does not have enough strength to invade Poland and not even enough strength to win over Ukraine - but that is as long as the US, EU an Ukraine actually do something to stop him. Bullies that get their nose punched do not come back for more. You let them their way, they come back again and again.



I truly suspect that not all of what Putin and his cronies are doing is honorable. But it is far more honorable than Zelensky and HIS cronies. After all, the whole voting scheme in the Ukraine was manipulated by the US. You can tell by the millions of Ukrainians who fled to Russia for salvation from the Zelensky group.

Democracy is simply a more complex, group Dictatorship. In this case, it is being used by the US to attempt to bring Russia down through Ukraine. All of what Russia is doing is simply self-protection.

You are entirely missing what is going on... or you are a US/Nato/Ukraine propagandist. And the big thing you are trying to hide is your contradiction regarding the war. If Russia has enough strength to do the things that you accuse them of, they certainly have enough strength to win the war by force, easily... if their goal was to simply destroy Ukraine.

Cool

You suspect that Putin & Co are not honorable? Well, I can confirm. https://www.osce.org/odihr/548662

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arbitrary imprisonment and enforced disappearances of civilians living in areas under occupation are occurring with alarming frequency, with widespread reports of the use of torture and ill-treatment, the OSCE Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights (ODIHR)

So, you have read or heard somewhere that Ukrainians mostly went to Ruzzia. I can rebate that:https://geopoliticalfutures.com/ukrainians-take-flight/



So... most of them to Poland, final destination.

About the dictatorship of a group, I cannot comment. The allegations of fraud in US have not ever been supported nor any proof has been made available to the justice. So... I somehow have the feeling that you are ok with dictators, like Putin, as long as they are your dictators.

I think that what you feel about the fed & the US federal government is pretty much one tenth of what Ukrainians and many Russians have to endure everyday of their lives. But you somehow are absolutely ok with THEM suffering it.



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