Topic: Russian ruble is scam (Read 1857 times)

Russian propagandists are now trying very hard to justify their stupid attack on Ukraine. How else can one justify this if not to paint the image of an enemy in the Ukrainians, who, supposedly, for some reason, were inflamed with hatred of the Russians. This is supposedly why they need to be killed.

During the events on Independence Square in Kyiv in November-December 2013, Russians and the Russian language were not even remembered. There was a completely different focus there. There the people defended their European choice. But Russian propagandists deliberately distort these events, which in Ukraine are called the Revolution of Dignity. But after them, the Kremlin realized that Ukraine was moving away from Russian influence and moving towards Europe. Therefore, military aggression began immediately.

And all these letters, statements allegedly from Odessa residents and other residents of Ukraine about how they are waiting for the Russians to come under their own missiles and bombs, which are now destroying their homes, can be invented and hundreds have been invented. I don’t think that Odessa residents want to have the same “Russian world” as they have in the DPR and LPR, where everything is already in complete ruins, and there is practically no male population left.

I have just read a letter from a resident of Odessa which was sent to a blogger in Russia.
This letter debunks the myths concocted by CIA and rebroadcast here by Argoo:

They write to me. Russia will come. Necessarily. Those who write it, fortunately, are not decision makers. I’ll say more, Donbass was called names in the same way for eight years. Not by everyone, but... And I’ll say even more - people from Ukraine often say this. Alas. And Russia, the real one, is with you. I convinced myself in it.

Good afternoon, Roman. I thought for a long time whether to write to you or not.

If you think it necessary, publish my letter. This is not just my opinion. The questions are not for you. It’s just that you are the only one, as it seems to me, who is an honest mouthpiece. My whole family and I are from Odessa, except for my mother. I am the fourth generation, and my son is the fifth generation. We are native residents of Odessa.

My mother was born in the USSR. I constantly hear reproaches (not yours) addressed to us, specifically residents of Odessa – that we stood in the wrong way. And, in general, citizens of Ukraine. That we are this, this and that.

What did the Russia do to make things different? The work of the CIA is clearly visible. People's brains have been fucked up as much as possible. Their brains were polished to a mirror shine. What about Russia? Russia gave lots of money to Medvedchuk and his entire gang . So that they could steal funds, live well and sleep sweetly. And that no one knew about this? We all knew about it, of course. And even with all this, a huge number of people in Ukraine retained their sanity despite CIA propaganda.

It is already well known that in order for people to resist, they need, roughly speaking, a leader.  I know a bunch of people, they are normal people. And yet, when even Vitaly had one military correspondent on the air (you know who I’m talking about), and not only him, who said, “to hell with them,” “there aren’t any people of our own there,” “our own people have left,” “let them die.” etc. Is this some kind of a joke? How can I leave? I’m 55, my husband is 58, my son is not traveling abroad, my parents are well over 70!!! HOW?

Where should we all go? What do we have to live on? Give up everything, and... No one is waiting for us anywhere. I know many people who are waiting for Russian forces in Odessa and hoping that Russia would come to their rescue.

There are those who traveled to Bulgaria and they hope for the better as well. I know a number of retired persons here in Odessa, who are confident that Russians would come to their rescue to save them from nationalists. I would like to have their confidence!! I have almost no hope left. I am afraid they Russia would abandon us again, like in 2014...

I’m almost sure that sooner or later there will be an agreement between Russia and Ukraine and again we, residents of Odessa would be left to our own devices. Sorry it's kind of confusing. But I wanted to say that for a long time!!

Why are we constantly insulted?!! Do they really know all of us?!! You also need to be able to admit your mistakes. And they are colossal!! Even president Putin said it. Why did Russia recognize the coup in 2014?! Everyone knew that money from the US embassy flowed like a river to the Maidan demonstrators. If Russian leaders had behaved differently, none of this would have happened. And now we turned out to be bastards!! And we are to blame. Do not deny. Now, what can we do? We sit and do not draw attention to ourselves.  Otherwise if we start to show our displeasure with the Kiev regime then  they would take us to the security service and that would be it, that would be the end.

I am the granddaughter of two front-line soldiers. How can I not honor their memory?!! And your colleagues, so to speak, constantly spit on us!! Sometimes I just want to say, screw you... Why the hell did you lock yourself in completely unprepared?!!

Did you listen to Medvedchuk who was traded for Ukrainian POW’s?!! And now we are blamed for everything. Where and to whom did Russia give money?! For what? Was the money stolen? And your soldiers are also dying. And civilians are dying and, worst of all, children are dying. Just awful!

Once again, sorry for the harshness. I’m boiling, there are no words.
All the best to you. It's good that you are there raising this issue.

I have just read an article in Russian about one of the Russian heros of the war and here is an extract from the article translated by google:
The address of the article: https://dzen.ru/a/Zlos2gP0PWb1l_RH

When our regiment passed through Tokmak in a column, all its residents went out into the street - children, old people... Some prayed. One grandmother knelt down and said: “Thank you, Russian soldier! Just don’t let them come here again.” I was on the armor, tears came to my eyes,

Do you know whom this grandmother meant by "them"? Ukrainian nationalists who are as cruel as fascicts and habitually torture and kill any Ukrainians who feel sympathy towards Russian soldiers.  

Also he said that Ukrainian soldiers habitually use some kind of a synthetic drug provided by the US so that they wouldn't feel any fear or pain.

By nationalism I mean those people in Ukraine who are very aggressive towards Russian speaking Ukrainians and those who have been jumping at the time of Maidan and shouting very loudly the following words: "Those who do not jump with us, are Muscovites. A Muscovite must be hanged"
These are the people who customarily torture and kill those Ukrainians who have a good attitude toward Russia.

Apparently, by nationalism, and especially Ukrainian nationalism, you understand something very bad. To hang up unclear labels, let's first figure out what they mean.

Wikipedia defines that nationalism is an ideology and policy direction, the fundamental principle of which is the thesis about the value of the nation as the highest form of social unity, its primacy in the state-forming process. As a political movement, nationalism strives to create a state that covers the territory of residence of only a certain nation and defends its interests. It is further stated that nationalists believe that each country should govern itself without outside interference (self-determination), that the nation is the natural and ideal basis for government, and that the people are the only legitimate source of political power. Nationalism advocates the creation and maintenance of a single national identity based on common social characteristics such as culture, language, religion, politics...
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8 %D0%B7%D0%BC

Since nationalists value their language and culture very much, Ukrainian nationalists cannot use another language, much less consider it their native language. These concepts are simply incompatible.

Nationalism is a political program built on a feeling of patriotism. Almost all liberation movements of oppressed peoples were formed and acted under the banner of the ideology of nationalism. Where national freedom is at stake, the ideology of nationalism is inevitable.

So do you have something against nationalism, in particular Ukrainian nationalism? Then tell me why...

I think that we can call it a scam, because what is a scam? It's a situation where a person is deceived or defrauded by someone who wants to take advantage of that person. IMO the Russian government and its central bank want to take advantage of the Russian people who use their currency, therefore they print money to tax them, because money printing is literally a tax on every citizen's savings.
They want to finance the war, but have not enough profit from foreign trade income tax and other taxes, like property tax, so they print money to get something out of nothing. The US does the same, but Russia is in a more dire situation.

Currently Russia's national currency is probably the most negatively volatile, but to consider it a scam is too severe. It would be the same as saying that a country does not exist or that a country was created wrongly just to make a profit, and that is absurd. Beyond this and as mentioned in other answers, it is necessary to separate feelings from reality, especially the socio-economic aspect in any analysis. Thus, we can understand that the Russian ruble is an aspect related to a country that in this particular case will see its currency plummet because the West punishes actions that do not serve its interests in this way wherever possible.

To make it understandable. Try to write down your sentence on a T-shirt and walk down the streets in Russia. How long you would walk out doesn't matter to the fact where you'll come in the end. If there's absolute 100% (oh, that doesn't count in Russia! Make it 146%!) support for war raging among mostly russian speaking population on both sides, then why oh why should government officials rip out the tongue of Free Press, independent Media and simple protesters on the streets of Russia? They do not afraid of the newspapers, journalists or retired babushkas on the streets! They are franzy afraid of the words they may hear from all these sources! The words of truth...

You see, even nationalists in Ukraine still speak Russian. I don't understand how can someone forcefully switch himself to speak in Ukrainian which is an artificial language whereas Russian is his or her mother tongue. How can anyone switch from one's own native language to an artificial language even if they believe that Russian is a language of the occupants?

Frankly speaking I don't like Putin. Does it mean that I should speak only Eglish since Putin speaks Russian?  

It's there in Ukraine. I am sure there are lots of Ukrainians who would attest to that.
By the way yesterday I read an article about someone traveling by train and overhearing a conversation between a few mobilised Ukrainians who were forcefully sent to the front. One of them said that he would be very happy to join with the Russian forces and move in the direction of Kiev in order to arrest traitor Zelensky and all his company.

I opened with interest and read the article you suggested, which has the title: “Eight years of terror: how the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the national battalions exterminated the population of Donbass.” But the article itself very briefly talks about the events of the mass riots on May 2, 2014 in Odessa, which I wrote about earlier. The article clearly states that “Odessa residents who disagreed with the actions of the Kyiv regime encountered radical football fans who came to the Ukrainian championship match taking place on the same day.” Well, where is the terror of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Ukrainian national battalions? What, the residents of Odessa have already begun to be called the population of Donbass? In addition, the article does not contain a detailed description of the essence of the events, and it is worth noting that the football fans were also Russian-speaking.
But you still provide the facts that the Ukrainian Armed Forces massively killed and terrorized the population of the DPR and LPR, that is, the population of the Donbass region, as you stated earlier.

defaulted ? What does it mean ? I think there is no fraudulent fiat currency because the fiat currency in each country is different and each country will definitely maintain and guarantee the currency. I think the ruble is one of the strongest currencies in the world because Russia is one of the strong countries in the field of economy and resources. Several times America and western countries tried to attack Russia from an economic perspective but Russia was still able to survive.

Russia is not the only country in history to default. A currency does not become a scam just because a country has defaulted. I am anti-war and in favor of peace, but I think this title and topic have misleading content. I'm sure even Russians who are anti-war are hurt by the title and the topic.

Fiat currencies are problematic in every aspect. They depreciate, are constantly vulnerable to the danger of inflation, and can cause hyperinflation. I think it is better to call them all scams...

It is you who is telling stories. If Ukrainians come to Russia they would not be forcefully mobilised. You are living in a fantasy land.

it is Biden and neocons who want to kill as many Russians and Ukrainians as possible because they want to solve the Russian question once and for all. All they want is to subjugate Russia and convert Russia into a US vassal state so that the US could go on exploiting Russia's resouces on the cheap like it was done in the 1990ies.  

Also the necons would like to kill as many people in the world as possible and not only Russians. To this end they invented the global warming hoax telling the world at large that it is very important to reduce carbon emissions in the whole world.

They want to forbid us eat meat and force us start eating insects.

Also a few years ago the global elite invented plandemic and under the pretext of a virus they forced massive amount of people to get a jab, a jab that is harmful for one's health, a jab that killed quite a sizable amount of people in the whole world

  

Well, I have spent some time looking for some articles describing how the Russian speaking Ukrainians were killed by Ukrainian  nationalists and here is 1 article that I found but it's in Russian: https://news.rambler.ru/conflicts/49388723-vosem-let-terrora-kak-vsu-i-natsbatalony-istreblyali-naselenie-donbassa/

At the same time I found at least several articles describing how allegedly the Russians killed Ukrainians but I am sure that all of these articles are a lie because since 2013 or even earlier the Western media of disinformation started a campaign of disinformation whereby they set a goal to prove to the whole world that it was Russians who were the bad guys.

Provocation with MH-17 plane in 2014 was arranged and organised by the CIA with the same goal: to portray Russians as bad guys.

This is an example of a job done by the CIA. To me this is as clear as a day.    

It is preposterous and absurd to claim that the Russians have been killing Ukrainians. Only dumbed down people can believe in this BS.

Don't tell us stories. The best thing that awaits Ukrainians who have fled the war to other countries if they come to Russia is forced mobilization into the Russian army, as is already happening in the occupied territories of Ukraine.

It is not Biden who wants to kill more Russians and Ukrainians, but Putin and his entourage, who gave the order for the Russian army to invade Ukraine and are sending their soldiers to their deaths in Ukraine. Also, it is Putin who can stop this senseless bloodshed any day if he decides to withdraw his troops from Ukraine.

In Russia, as in Ukraine, there are a lot of people who fled to other countries from this stupid and bloody war. But defending your country is the duty of every citizen of any state. At the same time, participating in an attack on another state is complicity in the crime of their leaders and this is condemned by international standards.

I read about it in many places but I will have to search for that information again.

Where did you get the idea that the Russian-speaking population in eastern Ukraine was subjected to systematic contempt and oppression by the Kyiv regime? Give examples, sources, we will discuss.   In the meantime, on your part there are only slogans on this matter.
Regarding the Russian patriots who criticized Putin, I know that for such criticism Girkin was put in prison and already sentenced to imprisonment, and the second shot himself right at the front because he was subjected to threats and oppression.

Are you saying that the Ukrainian Armed Forces were under fire from the separatists and Russian military from the territory of the DPR and LPR? Nothing can be further from the truth. This is a lie. The artillery fire was started by the Ukrainian nazi but not by the separatists or the Russian Army. And there was no Russian army there in that time. There were a number of Russian volunteers who came to protect the Russian world so to to speak but not the Russian army.

Moreover I know that at that time the Russian authorities complied with requests received from Ukraine and handed some separatists over to Ukraine where they were tortured and killed.

Do you think that it would be absolutely normal for the Ukrainian Armed Forces to be under fire from the separatists and Russian military from the territory of the DPR and LPR and not respond to fire, because there could be civilians there? Your ideas about military operations are interesting. This then is not military action, this is the execution of one side. And responding with fire to fire is, in your opinion, murder. Interesting logic.

Tell me then how this logic was applied in two Chechen wars, when, as you write, the province tried to break away from Russia. And Russia didn’t fire at all on the cities of Chechnya? May I remind you how Russia practically turned the central city of Chechnya, Grozny, into ruins? So which side in this war were the killers on? Or if regions “break away” from Ukraine, this is normal, but at the same time such regions are subject to destruction if they want to secede from Russia?