Topic: Russian ruble is scam - page 2. (Read 2260 times)

Unfortunately you don't understand geo politics, the grand scheme of things, so to say and you try to make it a personal matter.
The actions of Putin can be explained by the following: Russia does not want to follow the orders of Washington any more. Washington and the West at large have been exploiting the countries of the third world, they have been crushing any resistance anywhere in the world with military force but Putin won't stand down in the face of military threat of Washington.

If you don't understand  what I am writing here about let me make it clearer for you:  
You, guys living in the West have been having such high living standards because the West has been exploiting countries of the third world by bying raw materials on the cheap, manufacturing high value goods and then selling these goods back to these countries with high added value.

Basically you take raw materials at artificially low prices by way of bribing politicians in the thrid world countries and then sending us commodities. In result the western population enjoys extremely high living standards while the third world countries live in poverty and destitute.

Putin told to the West that this policy of unfair dstribution of profits can not be tolerated by Russia any more.

Because of that Washington arranged a coup in Ukraine in 2014 and was about to install NATO military bases there.

Putin was forced to make a move and now you say that Putin is Hitler.

In reality Hitler is Washington but Washingtom is a very clever Hitler. Washington started a proxy war in Ukraine and blamed it all on Russia.

This kind of behavoir is very typical of Washington because they used to call Vietnam, Afganistan, Libiya etc. the axis of evil or terrorist states.        

In reality Washington itself is a terrorist state, a rogue state, etc.

You, guys, want to have high living standards but we don't want to live in poverty and destitute. So Putin is like a freedom fighter. In this case Russia is a freedom fighter, economic freedom fighter.

Did you get it?

Information war is for real, if you're good at manipulating it to your advantage then you're more likely to win that war, that's why it's a good thing that you should never always believe whatever you see on the Internet, it's almost always going to end up with you being made a fool if you end up being a stupid and not the thinking for yourself kind of person, it's 2024, I think that people should have the common sense that whatever they see on the Internet should be taken with a grain of salt that verification will always be an important thing no matter where you are, it's sad that each other is painting the people that the other one has to die, this should never be the case, it was only Putin's ambition that has lead to this war, the ire should be on him if ever the people will start to get mad at each other.

In your reasoning you miss one important point: the US broke their promise that they would not move NATO to the east anymore.
Ukraine was on the brink of setting up NATO military bases that would point their missiles in the direction of Russia.
The US has already placed a number of bio laboratories in Ukraine that were developing biological weapons against Russia.
CIA has been executing massive information campaigns in Ukraine for at least 10 years that turned Ukraine into anti Russia. As a result masses of Ukrainian population have started hating Russia even before the war started.
Every single day any Ukrainian citizen watching TV was bomparded by anti Russian hate.  
What could Putin do with all that threat?

What would the US do if Russia pumped Mexico with tanks and missiles directed at the US, installed bio laboratories that could be developing biological weapons against American citizens, and conduct information campaign whereby every single citizen of Mexico watching TV would see anti American propaganda?    

  

You see, current states have territories and borders that are enshrined in relevant treaties with neighboring states, and are also recognized by all other states of the world by concluding diplomatic, consular and other agreements with them. All of them provide for the sovereignty and inviolability of existing borders, regardless of how these borders have changed over previous centuries. This is necessary in order to stop the endless wars for new territories that have almost always accompanied humanity. According to the UN Charter and other international agreements and world practice, unauthorized changes to existing borders are categorically prohibited and are recognized as territorial aggression with the imposition on such a state of the obligation to restore the previous territorial position and compensate the state that has become a victim of aggression for losses caused to it. This distinguishes the current civilization from previous ones, where there was lawlessness and the rule of the might.

As for Ukraine and the Russian Federation, such an agreement on the Russian-Ukrainian border, which determined the line of the land border between the countries, was concluded on January 28, 2003 and exists to this day. On the Russian side it was signed by President Vladimir Putin, on the Ukrainian side by President Leonid Kuchma.
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Therefore, an attempt to arbitrarily change the generally recognized borders of Ukraine and Putin’s violation of the previously signed agreement on the land borders of Ukraine is considered aggression and a gross violation of international law with all the ensuing consequences that Russia is already beginning to experience.

 That is why Ukraine does not claim the return of territories by Russia, including Moscow itself within the borders of the state of Kievan Rus that once existed on the territory of Ukraine, and even the border Belgorod, Kursk, and Rostov regions that Ukraine had before the 1917 revolution. The above also applies to all states, including the United States with its internationally recognized borders.

Has the territory of the US and Canada always been inhabited by US citizens? Not true. Let's take a look at who previously lived in the North America:

With the Age of Exploration and the voyages of Christopher Columbus (starting in 1492), Europeans began to arrive in the Americas in large numbers and develop colonial ambitions for both North and South America.[citation needed] An influx of Europeans soon followed Columbus and overwhelmed native populations as North America became a staging ground for ongoing European rivalries. The continent was divided by three prominent European powers: England, France, and Spain. The influence of colonization by these states on North American cultures is still apparent today.

Has the territory of the Crimean peninsula always been inhabited by ethnic Russians? Not true. Let's take a look at who previously lived in Crimea and within which states.

So, from the middle of the 13th century, the steppe Crimea was part of the Golden Horde; after the decline of Byzantium, the southern coast of Crimea was occupied by Genoese colonies. After the collapse of the Golden Horde in the middle of the 15th century, the Crimean Khanate was formed in Crimea. After the Turkish conquest in 1475, the coastal cities and the mountainous part of Crimea became part of the Ottoman Empire. The rest of the peninsula was owned by the Crimean Khanate, which, in turn, became a vassal of the Ottoman Empire. According to the Kuchuk-Kainardzhi Peace Treaty of 1774, signed as a result of the Russian-Turkish War of 1768-1774, both Turkey and Russia pledged not to interfere in the affairs of the Crimean Khanate. In 1783, the Crimean peninsula was conquered and annexed to the Russian Empire, the Tauride region was formed here, and later the Tauride province.

 As you can see, it was only at the end of the 18th century that Crimea was conquered by the Russian Empire. And the indigenous people in Crimea are the Crimean Tatars, whom Stalin forcibly deported in May 1944 to Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, the Mari Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic and other regions of the USSR. In total, 238,500 people were deported from Crimea at that time, of which 205.9 thousand, that is, 86.4%, were women and children. In independent Ukraine, the Crimean Tatars were officially recognized as the indigenous people of Crimea and the descendants of the deportees were allowed to return to Crimea.

By the way as regards Crimea it seems to me that you are not aware of the fact that basically Crimea has never been a part of Ukraine. This territory has always been populated by ethnic Russians. Crimea was handed over to Ukraine by Krushov in the 50-ies only due to the fact that it was more convenient for Moscow at that time to keep Crimea in the jurisdiction of Ukraine..

It was given to Ukraine at that time only because Russia and Ukraine have always been one country and authorities in Moscow did not differentiate between Russia and Ukraine. In fact many leaders of the Communist Party of the USSR came from Ukraine.

Therefore in my opinion annexation of Crimea by Russia in 2014 is not an invasion but the US and its Europaean vassals are using this as a pretext to blame Russia for an invasion which was not an invasion as such.

Again I like your logic and accroding to your logic I would say that in the 16th century the world witnessed an invasion of the Northern American continent by European settlers. This was an invasion and it must be stopped right away.  

I believed that you deliberately distorted the reality about the events taking place in Ukraine, including the oppression of the Russian-speaking population and the shelling of the territory of the so-called DPR and DPR. But it seems that you were only honestly mistaken about this.

As for the incidents you mentioned with Ukrainians shouting about Muscovites, you yourself write that this happened starting in 2014. That is, after the invasion of Russian troops into the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea, which occurred in February 2014. And accordingly, the Ukrainians had the right to call for the killing of the occupiers.

I also agree with you that there are certain forces that want the mutual weakening of Ukraine and Russia. Therefore, Ukraine is given few weapons and always very late so that Ukraine does not lose the war, but also does not win it. Some people have long been laying claim to Ukrainian black soil, but this is not the United States.

By the way some time ago I heard about a very interesting development regardng citizens of Belgorod that is now regularly being fired upon by the Ukrainian army. Many citizens of this town just like their compatriots all across Russia have started hating Ukrainians and considering them to be their mortal enemies.

As soon as the town of Belgorod started to be fired upon some of them started to leave the town in order to escape the unpleasantness of a war.

And as soon as they started coming to other towns in Russia they were unplesantly surpirsed that many owners of the apartments that they wanted to rent considered the citizens of Belgorod as second rate citizens and charged them prices at least twice as much than they normally charge for renting an apartment.

That's for solidarity and unity among the people of Russia.

Also despite the fact that many of them lost their jobs as a result of war activities the banks in Russia still demand that they must make payments on schedule for the cars that they bought on credit or their mortgage payments.
In other words they are not given any deferment in loan and mortgage repayments.
 

I can assure you that this video was made long before 2022. I watched and heard this video about 9 or 8 years ago. May be this jumping circus was not held in Kiev, I don't know that but again I know that such types of crazy jumps took place all over Ukraine many times since 2014.

At the same time I must tell you that this night I was talking to a Ukrainian who fled to Europe and asked him questions about the conflict and he told me that in reality Russian speaking people in Ukraine were not oppressed to such a degree as I heard here in Russia and read in some articles.  

Also he told me that indeed 2 break away provinces of Ukraine were not fired upon by the Ukrainian army and this information was a surpise to me. It appears that the shelling might be provoked by pro Moscow fighters and then the Ukrainian army was blamed for that. I don't know that.

Is seems to me that there are certain forces in play in Russia and Ukraine that want to instigate a conflict between Russia and Ukraine and I believe that these forces are controlled by the CIA..  

I watched the video you linked to. I can say that the place of this action is not the Independence Square in Kyiv and this most likely did not happen in Kyiv. Judging by the sign on the building with a blue background, this is some kind of administrative building in Ukraine, but I could not determine when it was, in what year and about what the rally took place. If this was after Russia attacked Ukraine, then this behavior of Ukrainians is quite logical. Do you want Russians to be loved because they attack Ukraine, killing people and destroying everything in their path?

During the Second World War, the slogan “Death to the German occupiers” was also widespread in the USSR. For Ukrainians today there is a similar situation, in which today the occupier is a Russian soldier who needs to be killed on Ukrainian soil. And Ukrainians are doing this very actively. In May alone, the irretrievable losses of Russians in Ukraine amounted to over 38 thousand people. This is a quantitative record for the entire war with the Russians.

Here is the video that I was talking about: https://vk.com/video34634651_456239742?list=5d6316a482eb331b1f
Unfortunately this video is in Russian and in the beginning you will see an ad which you will have to watch for half a minute or so and then you will see how these crazy Ukrainian nationalists were jumping in the streets of Kiev and shouted in Ukrainian that a Muscovite must be hanged and that those who were not jumping were Muscovites that had to be killed.
 

These letters are not a lie. These are real letters written by real Ukrainians and these Ukrainians are afraid for their lives because they know that as soon as the secret service of Ukraine discovers their identities then they will be arrested and killed.

Hey Ozero, don't tell me stories as if I am some kind of a dumbed down person who can be influenced by Russian propaganda.
I heard this stupid chant that was shouted by a large crowd of fu..ing stupid Ukrainian nationalists. It was a very large crowd of crazy assholes in Kiev who were shouting the following: "Moskalaku na gilyaku. Kto ne skatchet, tot Moskal."
I saw this video with my own eyes.
And you tell me that this was invented by Russian propaganda? What are you smoking?
I am now going to find this video in the Internet. 

Russian propagandists are now trying very hard to justify their stupid attack on Ukraine. How else can one justify this if not to paint the image of an enemy in the Ukrainians, who, supposedly, for some reason, were inflamed with hatred of the Russians. This is supposedly why they need to be killed.

During the events on Independence Square in Kyiv in November-December 2013, Russians and the Russian language were not even remembered. There was a completely different focus there. There the people defended their European choice. But Russian propagandists deliberately distort these events, which in Ukraine are called the Revolution of Dignity. But after them, the Kremlin realized that Ukraine was moving away from Russian influence and moving towards Europe. Therefore, military aggression began immediately.

And all these letters, statements allegedly from Odessa residents and other residents of Ukraine about how they are waiting for the Russians to come under their own missiles and bombs, which are now destroying their homes, can be invented and hundreds have been invented. I don’t think that Odessa residents want to have the same “Russian world” as they have in the DPR and LPR, where everything is already in complete ruins, and there is practically no male population left.

I have just read a letter from a resident of Odessa which was sent to a blogger in Russia.
This letter debunks the myths concocted by CIA and rebroadcast here by Argoo:

They write to me. Russia will come. Necessarily. Those who write it, fortunately, are not decision makers. I’ll say more, Donbass was called names in the same way for eight years. Not by everyone, but... And I’ll say even more - people from Ukraine often say this. Alas. And Russia, the real one, is with you. I convinced myself in it.

Good afternoon, Roman. I thought for a long time whether to write to you or not.

If you think it necessary, publish my letter. This is not just my opinion. The questions are not for you. It’s just that you are the only one, as it seems to me, who is an honest mouthpiece. My whole family and I are from Odessa, except for my mother. I am the fourth generation, and my son is the fifth generation. We are native residents of Odessa.

My mother was born in the USSR. I constantly hear reproaches (not yours) addressed to us, specifically residents of Odessa – that we stood in the wrong way. And, in general, citizens of Ukraine. That we are this, this and that.

What did the Russia do to make things different? The work of the CIA is clearly visible. People's brains have been fucked up as much as possible. Their brains were polished to a mirror shine. What about Russia? Russia gave lots of money to Medvedchuk and his entire gang . So that they could steal funds, live well and sleep sweetly. And that no one knew about this? We all knew about it, of course. And even with all this, a huge number of people in Ukraine retained their sanity despite CIA propaganda.

It is already well known that in order for people to resist, they need, roughly speaking, a leader.  I know a bunch of people, they are normal people. And yet, when even Vitaly had one military correspondent on the air (you know who I’m talking about), and not only him, who said, “to hell with them,” “there aren’t any people of our own there,” “our own people have left,” “let them die.” etc. Is this some kind of a joke? How can I leave? I’m 55, my husband is 58, my son is not traveling abroad, my parents are well over 70!!! HOW?

Where should we all go? What do we have to live on? Give up everything, and... No one is waiting for us anywhere. I know many people who are waiting for Russian forces in Odessa and hoping that Russia would come to their rescue.

There are those who traveled to Bulgaria and they hope for the better as well. I know a number of retired persons here in Odessa, who are confident that Russians would come to their rescue to save them from nationalists. I would like to have their confidence!! I have almost no hope left. I am afraid they Russia would abandon us again, like in 2014...

I’m almost sure that sooner or later there will be an agreement between Russia and Ukraine and again we, residents of Odessa would be left to our own devices. Sorry it's kind of confusing. But I wanted to say that for a long time!!

Why are we constantly insulted?!! Do they really know all of us?!! You also need to be able to admit your mistakes. And they are colossal!! Even president Putin said it. Why did Russia recognize the coup in 2014?! Everyone knew that money from the US embassy flowed like a river to the Maidan demonstrators. If Russian leaders had behaved differently, none of this would have happened. And now we turned out to be bastards!! And we are to blame. Do not deny. Now, what can we do? We sit and do not draw attention to ourselves.  Otherwise if we start to show our displeasure with the Kiev regime then  they would take us to the security service and that would be it, that would be the end.

I am the granddaughter of two front-line soldiers. How can I not honor their memory?!! And your colleagues, so to speak, constantly spit on us!! Sometimes I just want to say, screw you... Why the hell did you lock yourself in completely unprepared?!!

Did you listen to Medvedchuk who was traded for Ukrainian POW’s?!! And now we are blamed for everything. Where and to whom did Russia give money?! For what? Was the money stolen? And your soldiers are also dying. And civilians are dying and, worst of all, children are dying. Just awful!

Once again, sorry for the harshness. I’m boiling, there are no words.
All the best to you. It's good that you are there raising this issue.

I have just read an article in Russian about one of the Russian heros of the war and here is an extract from the article translated by google:
The address of the article: https://dzen.ru/a/Zlos2gP0PWb1l_RH

When our regiment passed through Tokmak in a column, all its residents went out into the street - children, old people... Some prayed. One grandmother knelt down and said: “Thank you, Russian soldier! Just don’t let them come here again.” I was on the armor, tears came to my eyes,

Do you know whom this grandmother meant by "them"? Ukrainian nationalists who are as cruel as fascicts and habitually torture and kill any Ukrainians who feel sympathy towards Russian soldiers.  

Also he said that Ukrainian soldiers habitually use some kind of a synthetic drug provided by the US so that they wouldn't feel any fear or pain.

By nationalism I mean those people in Ukraine who are very aggressive towards Russian speaking Ukrainians and those who have been jumping at the time of Maidan and shouting very loudly the following words: "Those who do not jump with us, are Muscovites. A Muscovite must be hanged"
These are the people who customarily torture and kill those Ukrainians who have a good attitude toward Russia.

Apparently, by nationalism, and especially Ukrainian nationalism, you understand something very bad. To hang up unclear labels, let's first figure out what they mean.

Wikipedia defines that nationalism is an ideology and policy direction, the fundamental principle of which is the thesis about the value of the nation as the highest form of social unity, its primacy in the state-forming process. As a political movement, nationalism strives to create a state that covers the territory of residence of only a certain nation and defends its interests. It is further stated that nationalists believe that each country should govern itself without outside interference (self-determination), that the nation is the natural and ideal basis for government, and that the people are the only legitimate source of political power. Nationalism advocates the creation and maintenance of a single national identity based on common social characteristics such as culture, language, religion, politics...
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Since nationalists value their language and culture very much, Ukrainian nationalists cannot use another language, much less consider it their native language. These concepts are simply incompatible.

Nationalism is a political program built on a feeling of patriotism. Almost all liberation movements of oppressed peoples were formed and acted under the banner of the ideology of nationalism. Where national freedom is at stake, the ideology of nationalism is inevitable.

So do you have something against nationalism, in particular Ukrainian nationalism? Then tell me why...

I think that we can call it a scam, because what is a scam? It's a situation where a person is deceived or defrauded by someone who wants to take advantage of that person. IMO the Russian government and its central bank want to take advantage of the Russian people who use their currency, therefore they print money to tax them, because money printing is literally a tax on every citizen's savings.
They want to finance the war, but have not enough profit from foreign trade income tax and other taxes, like property tax, so they print money to get something out of nothing. The US does the same, but Russia is in a more dire situation.