Topic: Russia's economy is 'imploding' on export decline, economists claim - page 9. (Read 3042 times)

Being an Indian, I am staying neutral in this conflict. That is, unlike you I am not taking sides. Civilians have been killed on both the sides. Ukrainian army is constantly shelling cities under the control of DNR and LNR, which has resulted in hundreds of deaths ever since the war started. There are numerous instances of Russian and DNR/LNR POWs being tortured and shot at point blank. According to the Russians, there are more than 15,000 Ukrainian POWs in their custody, but the Ukrainian regime refuses to exchange them. And regarding the failure of Russia, from what I heard they are using only around 20% of their strength. Most of the fighting is being done by the militias of LNR and DNR and that is the reason why they have suffered thousands of deaths. Russian army is thinly spread across Kherson, Kharkiv and Zaporizhia, where the intensity is relatively low.

Well, we could talk about the finer details of numbers if you want, which is there and you decline it and that is your own "opinion" and sure go ahead and do that. But we could also talk about the reality, it has been over 3 months and Russia has failed to takeover Kyiv, which is proof enough that even though they are attacking with more manpower, more gunpowder, and more money, they are still not taking it, is that not enough for you?

This isn't even a pissing contest, you are saying that 30k Ukrainian soldiers are dead, and we all know Russia killed innocent bystanders as well, and you think that is fine? You are fine with that? My god you have no idea what you are saying do you? You are not aware that you are promoting death.

... in Nuremberg, not only the direct ideologists of Nazism, but also propagandists were sentenced to capital punishment. Russian propaganda must be given its due - they outdid Nazi propaganda. But if the Nazi played on the feelings of people and "greatness", then the Russian one aimed to create a fake information field, fake greatness, and make sheep out of people.
I read the posts of some victims of Russian propaganda - I see evidence of my words, and the real achievement of the goal, not the genetic transformation of people into sheep
I won’t even spend a short time on facts, arguments, evidence of a real situation, such victims of propaganda - Russian propaganda managed to smooth out the convolutions of their brain 

Well... I sort of agree. I can accept the fact that this war involves one sovereign nation invading another. But NATO complaining about it is like pot calling the kettle black. That said, half of the deaths from the Russian side comes from Ukrainian citizens fighting for DNR and LNR, and also among the former members of the Ukrainian Communist Party who were kicked out of Ukraine in 2014. In a way, Russia can claim that they were just assisting a section of Ukrainians, in their fight against another section.

I do understand the fact that nearly half of Ukraine are pro-Russia, I also understand the reasons for the conflict including how Ukraine had become a security threat not just to Russia but to the whole world. There is a lot more I can't even mention here.

But none of that changes the fact that this is still an invasion since at the end of the day Ukraine is a sovereign nation being attacked by a foreign force. It would be double standard to call it anything else just like how I argued not so long ago that what Ukraine did in Iraq for years was criminal and an invasion where they killed innocent people, it doesn't matter if they call it a "peacekeeping mission" or some Iraqis wanted the dictator removed.

Be careful when you use the term "invader". There was a recent video posted by France24 YouTube channel. It showed residents of Lysychansk celebrating the Russian victories in Severodonetsk and Zolote and were openly cursing the Ukrainian soldiers. It is clear that at least a part of the Eastern Ukrainians view the UAF as the invaders and the Russians as liberators. Without adequate local support, Russia would have struggled to hold on to such huge swathes of territory. Despite the initial rumors, residents of Kherson and Donbass are not rioting against the Russian rule. 

I hope Ukraine can resist the invaders and take back their country but the actual events you think I'm distorting is that Russia has achieved most of its goals. Parts of Eastern Ukraine and the the strategically important South is already occupied, a little more and they'll reach Moldova finishing the first phase of the plan which is completely cutting Ukraine off from Black Sea.

Probably all the Spanish people protesting in the streets these days in the anti-NATO rally who think it is a not only a useless treaty but it is tearing their country apart are also Russian trolls

About 40 years ago we were invaded and were being bombed every day. Meanwhile thousands of kilometers away another country that we consider a friend was invaded, they lost half of their country, their military fell very fast and the capital was surrounded and it was about to fall too. We sent them a handful of military experts (while we were still fighting ourselves against 80 countries) and shortly after they liberated their whole country by kicking the invaders out.
We are talking about ZERO dollars here.

The point is that it's important who your friends are, whether they are fake ones pretending to spend BILLIONS in aids or real ones that effectively help.
In fact our Red Crescent (that's the Iranian humanitarian organization) has been sending all the help we can manage to Ukraine from day one without hesitation or expectation. That is despite the fact that Ukraine is part of the same coalition against Iran that has imposed more than 5000 sanctions against Iranians preventing us from importing any kind of medical supplies whatsoever for decades.

In the Soviet Union at that time there was a very modern production of products and equipment, perhaps due to the fact that it was aimed at the domestic market, it was so specific. I really agree with you that Russia will no longer catch up with the world of microprocessor engineering, and this is sad.

LOL.... BBC has given the figure of around ~4,000 deaths for the Russian Armed Forces and PMC Wagner (DNR/LNR lost another 4,000 men, but these are Ukrainian citizens). On the other hand, more than 30,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed so far, and around 15,000 have been taken prisoner. Western media has been telling for a long time that Russia is running out of ammunition and cruise missiles. And now the Ukrainians are complaining that they are being out-shelled and cruise missiles are raining on their cities.

The headline states that exports are on a decline, but your message body states that exports are up 64%, so I'm a bit confused by what you mean here.


Lol. If you think that an country, especially one of the size Russia can become independent of all other nations, you're sorely mistaken.  No country can become a world leader without interacting with other nations.  Do you realize the importance of importing and exporting, which would not be possible if they are truly independent. 

Your hate for the US is clear, and it's blinding you from the truth.  Why must the world end the dominance of the dollar?  Do you not realize this was done by everyone else making it the worlds reserve currency?  It's not like the US said "hey we want the worlds reserve currency and so then it must be".   The United States has the worlds best economy, and this is not changing anytime soon. Sorry, as much as you clearly don't want to hear that or believe it, it's the truth.

"Most hilariously when the sanctions have been imposed by a country responsible for most number of wars in the history of humankind". This is not true.  Also, many wars the US has been in has been due to the aiding of other nations. 

You could imagine it as a useless treaty, there are many many Russian trolls all around the world and we are used to you guys and it's fine. But, the reality is that that "useless" treaty is the reason why Russia can't do whatever they want with western nations, and yes they may have attacked Ukraine, but where do you think all those drones and guns and armors and food and all the other things came from?

Even though Ukraine is not officially in Nato, we are talking about TENS OF BILLIONS of dollars worth of help to Ukraine during this war. Sure maybe American soldiers didn't suit up and started to shoot Russians, but they certainly sent a lot of guns and armor and many other things, including food and clothes as well, which is more than enough to say they helped.

Indirectly, the US and Russia are actually at war now, but Europe and Ukraine are the victims...

with the scarcity of European oil and gas, countries that did not intervene in the war, such as China and the Middle East, which had stable gas reserves, had massive purchases from Europe. this will last a long time because the US continues to push Europe to hold on to the sanctions they imposed on Russia.

You are slightly distorting the actual events. Ukraine has successfully resisted a full-scale military invasion of Russia for 125 days. To date, according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the following have been destroyed:
- 35,250 Russian soldiers and officers,
- 1567 tanks,
- 3704 armored vehicles,
- 217 aircraft,
- 185 helicopters,
- 778 artillery systems,
- 243 multiple launch rocket systems,
- 102 air defense systems,
- 2589 automotive equipment,
- 636 UAVs,
- 14 ships and boats, etc.
It can be said that in four months Russia has not achieved any significant military successes in Ukraine. However, the "second army of the world" has already lost a significant part of its military potential in Ukraine. This happened not only because of the professionalism of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but also because of the serious assistance from the NATO countries. True, Ukraine expects more, and it is slowly doing so.

NATO has never promised Ukraine real military assistance with its soldiers, because it does not want the Third World War to break out.

The Lithuanian Foreign Ministry recently criticized a long-established plan for NATO military assistance to the country in the event of a surprise Russian invasion. He allows the occupation of this small country and the expulsion of the aggressor for 180 days. Having seen what the Russians are doing on the territory of Ukraine, there, of course, they do not want to fall under occupation, even temporarily. Therefore, they demand to reconsider this plan.

That's biggest mistake Ukarine did i.e. they rely on USA promise. USA has many times betrayed his friends and its better to stay away from USA fake friendship. Every country should look for his own interest. Even if the war in Ukraine stopped, the damage done to infrastructure will take years to rebuild.
In 1971, same was done to Pakistan by USA. They keep on saying that we will send military support to Pakistan to help insurgency in west Pakistan (now Bangladesh) but that military aid never arrived.

It's is both funny and sad to see how Ukraine was abused by them with the promise of help while in truth they didn't do anything. Even the sanctions against Russia was a joke and they were promising actual military involvement if Russia invaded!!!

Some argue that Ukraine wasn't part of NATO but those people should check out what Lithuania was told. They basically told them that if Russia invaded their country they won't help them at all. In best case scenario they would send some aid after 180 days. By that time nothing would be left of Lithuania!!!
Even funnier than that is Finland and Sweden wanting to join this useless treaty.

The country has adapted to sanctions and find loopholes around them. But the Russian citizens have not. You can't just close down all US markets in the area and expect them to suddenly switch their preferences to closer-to-home alternatives.

Understand a simple fact - Russia imagined itself, for some reason, as a significant country, and decided to "bring everything back", in fact, to recreate one of the most bastard states - the USSR, and gain control over all the former countries, the socialist camp, during the Cold War. As always, Russia fights only against the weakest, those who cannot stand up for themselves, this is such "Russian heroism." If not, give at least 1 example, Russian attacks on some country that would be commensurate in power? But I'm sure no one will give a single example ...
So, for some reason, they decided that Ukraine is such a suitable object, all the more so as an example of how to deal with thieves presidents. This scared Putin very much, because. for him, the overthrow will be even worse than for Gaddafi ... And if now in Ukraine, by the forces of Ukrainians and Western partners, the new brown plague of the 21st century is not defeated, rashism, rashism will go further west. The next ones will be the Baltic countries, Poland, Georgia again, and many others. And one of the main ways to destroy rashism is precisely economic sanctions, which should destroy the economy of the terrorist country, as much as possible and preferably irreversibly. Well, or soon famine, war, hundreds of thousands of deaths will come to other countries, on the bayonets of rashism. The choice is ours, what we choose - peace, tranquility, order, creation or death, devastation, deepest stagnation, and other "joys of rashism"

If I get it right, if you sell 100 of something for 1 dollar each, but then the prices change and you sell 50 of that same thing but for 10 each, you will make a lot more money. This is what happened to Russia, sure they are probably selling a lot less, but they are selling for a lot more money. Look at their fiat, their fiat (ruble) got a lot more powerful against dollar, why? Because they are doing fine and this war didn't hurt the general economy of the nation. One key reason is the fact that oil went up, but another and probably even bigger reason is the fact that the whole world was filled with oligarchs and russian money, and all of those people turned their money into ruble and stored it in Russia. So all those tens of billions, probably hundreds of billions of dollars that was used by russian wealthy people all around the world, all went into ruble to make it stronger, wasn't the purpose and they just wanted to put it somewhere safe, but it did helped ruble for sure.

I am not sure this prediction of -30% by the end of the year is legit, to be honest, but it's good if it is. That being said, if exports are up by so much, why is the prediction so negative?
I think that the Western countries want to show and prove that their sanctions are serious and are working, while Ukraine is pressuring them for imposing much more because the idea is to help stop the war, and if Russia keeps going with the war, it means the current sanctions aren't enough. Also, while initially it looked like Russian economy was exploding, they managed to stabilize the ruble and 4 months into the war they can still afford it, although the consumer prices did grow significantly for Russians, so it's not like sanctions didn't do anything.

All European sanctions that are directed against Russia will harm Europe more than Russia.
If Europe wants gas independence, then it will require billions of investments and at least 7-10 years to build infrastructure. And then they will be depending on the USA.

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Show me at least one communist in Russia