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Topic: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper - page 69. (Read 25737 times)

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Realistically speaking, what sort of trouble csw got himself into this time? The transcripts are hilarious.

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Works for me. Or do you mean certain information have been edited out? There's also an archive.org snapshot from May: https://web.archive.org/web/20190509164954/https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/op-ed-how-many-wrongs-make-wright/

thank you for the second link.
the first link works, but the paper does not appear on the page.
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Realistically speaking, what sort of trouble csw got himself into this time? The transcripts are hilarious.

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Works for me. Or do you mean certain information have been edited out? There's also an archive.org snapshot from May: https://web.archive.org/web/20190509164954/https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/op-ed-how-many-wrongs-make-wright/
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Nice post and I would urge everyone to check out Lopps article on the subject, he really gathered and correlated a shitton of info.


https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/op-ed-how-many-wrongs-make-wright/



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legendary
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Again, it would be great to know if Wright's statements had truth behind them or not:

Of course not, do you really need to ask?

 - I was made a forum admin in 2011, after Satoshi left. (Silk Road also appeared after Satoshi left.) I didn't have any special access to bitcoin.org until around 2013, and in fact I didn't even have any access to the bitcointalk.org DNS until 2013.
 - I've never bought or sold anything on Silk Road, Hydra or similar sites; nor did I have anything whatsoever to do with their operation; nor AFAIK did I even have interactions with anyone involved in running these sites. While I am opposed to drug laws, I have never used illicit drugs, and in fact I also abstain from alcohol & nicotine. Furthermore, since the beginning I have warned over and over again that Tor is not secure against active government attacks: I wouldn't be found dead running one of these sites.
 - I never had any interaction with CSW. I don't have any keys related to CSW's (probably fictitious) SSS thing.

CSW's whole shtick is to just lie constantly. He's so brazen about it that some people think, "there must be some truth there," but really it's 100% nonsense.

I admit I was a little tempted to troll the world by roleplaying CSW's allegations as totally true...

Is there a way for you to prove that you didn't have access until 2013? If so, you could consider sending that to Ira's lawyers. Martti Malmi is also considering to take legal action/contacting Ira's lawyers about the false claims Craig made.
legendary
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Again, it would be great to know if Wright's statements had truth behind them or not:

Of course not, do you really need to ask?

I figured as much, but there's a billion dollar industry riding on him not being a pathologically-lying, conniving charlatan, so its good to have additional clarification.
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Again, it would be great to know if Wright's statements had truth behind them or not:

Of course not, do you really need to ask?

 - I was made a forum admin in 2011, after Satoshi left. (Silk Road also appeared after Satoshi left.) I didn't have any special access to bitcoin.org until around 2013, and in fact I didn't even have any access to the bitcointalk.org DNS until 2013.
 - I've never bought or sold anything on Silk Road, Hydra or similar sites; nor did I have anything whatsoever to do with their operation; nor AFAIK did I even have interactions with anyone involved in running these sites. While I am opposed to drug laws, I have never used illicit drugs, and in fact I also abstain from alcohol & nicotine. Furthermore, since the beginning I have warned over and over again that Tor is not secure against active government attacks: I wouldn't be found dead running one of these sites.
 - I never had any interaction with CSW. I don't have any keys related to CSW's (probably fictitious) SSS thing.

CSW's whole shtick is to just lie constantly. He's so brazen about it that some people think, "there must be some truth there," but really it's 100% nonsense.

I admit I was a little tempted to troll the world by roleplaying CSW's allegations as totally true...
legendary
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@nutildah thanks for the TL;DR hope you update us as the trial progresses.
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2. He is taking potshots at theymos

He probably didn't even know who theymos is until that 3-year-old quote (about destroying Satoshi's coins) resurfaced recently. Grin

Edit - adding a smiley to make sure it's seen as a joke... he must have known, right? right?!!!
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As far as the legal ramifications of his testimony is concerned, well I'm no lawyer but I don't think he would have said what he did if he didn't think he could get away with it.

I think all this is proving that his understanding of legal processes is largely non existent.

If you accuse a person of drug dealing and child pornography you're slightly better off doing it when they're already in prison and convicted of it. If they're not then that's a teensy weensy problem.
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I am particularly fascinated by this. As far as I know he's never mentioned Theymos before, ever. Why would he begin by slandering him in a court of law? It's bizarre. He could've blamed plenty of people who are anonymous or already put away.

A lot of what he said (in my opinion) was with knowledge that the general public would be reading this transcript. Up until this point, he had ignored the Bitcointalk aspect completely. I think he is trying to accomplish 2 things here:

1. He is finally recognizing Bitcointalk and its importance in the development of Bitcoin (as he was supposedly the founder as well as admin, if I am not mistaken).
2. He is taking potshots at theymos

As far as the legal ramifications of his testimony is concerned, well I'm no lawyer but I don't think he would have said what he did if he didn't think he could get away with it.
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3. Theymos gets a shout out on page 15 (not sure he wants to say anything about that here, but it would be great if he did).

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Between August and December of 2010, I pleaded, I said it was a bad idea with Martti and with M*** [(redacted)], and I finally left publicly as Satoshi in 2010 because they launched Silk Road.  On top of that, they launched Hydro.

OK -- a couple problems here. Silk Road wasn't launched until 2011, and Hydra wasn't launched until 2014. You guys... definitely should read pages 15-16.

Theymos is again mentioned on page 141. Again, it would be great to know if Wright's statements had truth behind them or not:

I am particularly fascinated by this. As far as I know he's never mentioned Theymos before, ever. Why would he begin by slandering him in a court of law? It's bizarre. He could've blamed plenty of people who are anonymous or already put away.
legendary
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Full transcript of Craig's first hearing has been released:

https://www.docdroid.net/5LZMLHb/06-28-19-ber-kleiman.pdf

There's a lot to go through, but some interesting points of note:

1. You've probably heard by now of the whole Calibri font debacle -- Craig (supposedly) used a version of a font not created until 2015 in order to forge a document that was (supposedly) from 2012.

2. Craig vehemently denies the existence of "public addresses" in an attempt to confuse the court. There are addresses. They are publicly known via the blockchain. To be willfully obtuse about accepting that this is a commonly used phrase suggests he is trying to cover something up.

3. Theymos gets a shout out on page 15 (not sure he wants to say anything about that here, but it would be great if he did).

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Between August and December of 2010, I pleaded, I said it was a bad idea with Martti and with M*** [(redacted)], and I finally left publicly as Satoshi in 2010 because they launched Silk Road.  On top of that, they launched Hydro.

OK -- a couple problems here. Silk Road wasn't launched until 2011, and Hydra wasn't launched until 2014. You guys... definitely should read pages 15-16.

Theymos is again mentioned on page 141. Again, it would be great to know if Wright's statements had truth behind them or not:

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Q: Were you the only one who had a copy of those keys?

A: No.

Q: Who else did?

A: Theymos.

Q: Who?  I'm sorry?

A: M*** M**** [(redacted)], when he took over certain functions of Bitcoin, I didn't stop him, that including -- that included compromising some of my machines.

4. Pages 36 & 37: Craig tries to avoid having to answer (under oath) whether or not documents pertaining to the trust which he submitted were forgeries or not.

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Q: Dr. Wright, are these documents forgeries?

A: Um, I don't know.

Q: Dr. Wright, you're testifying directly before this Court. You submitted these documents, you swore to their authenticity, and now you're saying you don't know if they're authentic, if they're not forgeries?

A: Um, all I can say is they are documents that were -- that look similar to ones that I've seen in the past that I haven't had any access to that are in company files that have been in my basement for year


(seems like the answer should be pretty simple, just my opinion...)

5. Page 46: Craig gets flustered about answering a question regarding editing an email, throws documents on the ground, judge threatens to put him in handcuffs. Again, a "yes" or "no" answer would have sufficed.

6. Page 87 - 96: Craig says he created Tulip Trading in 2011, which is then shown to be an "aged shelf company" he purchased in 2014. From page 96:

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Q: Well, let me get this straight.  A company you didn't buy until 2014 is listed as a beneficiary of a trust document you claimed was formed in 2012?

A: No.  You have put documents I don't recognize.

Q: Documents you produced in discovery?

A: Yes, from other machines in my organization

7. The last interesting part is the prosecution tries to introduce evidence of Craig saying he had more money than the entire country of Rwanda, which would mean more than $8 billion. Craig says, "I was angry at the time, and I was talking about the other.  It didn't mean I could access or control it, and nor have I."

The point of introducing this was obviously to suggest that Craig indeed had access to Satoshi's Secret Stash... But, Craig denied it... Craig is in a way suggesting he is indeed not Satoshi. Funny what comes to light in court.

The last 30 pages or so are all procedural-related matters, suggesting the hearing will continue in early August, and may not wrap up until December.

Big takeaways:

- Craig is seemingly making things more complicated than they need to be at every turn
- 90% of the defense's objections were overruled by the judge
- the prosecution did take a few big swings which were whiffs
- judge is highly competent at sussing out technobabble from pertinent information

The most damning evidence against Craig is #6, the whole "aged shelf company" factor. Craig doesn't seem to have a reasonable excuse to deny that he purchased a company named "Tulip Trading" in 2014, which is the basis for his whole "Tulip Trust" story, which I never believed 1% of for 1 second.

To be continued...
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Mirkolta https://bitcointalk.org/index.php Hiring paid shills and paying them in BSV https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mirkoita-62565 Also stands in opposition for a scam flag of Bitcoin SV https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2371095 I have reasons to believe that this is an alt account of Quickseller.
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In other news, The website Loser.com redirects to CSW wiki entry.  Grin

The internet or that website used to troll Donald Trump, and lots of celebrities before, but I guess it's CSW turn now.

You can try and see it for yourself.  Grin

Confirmed. Redirects to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Steven_Wright.

cunt.com

EDIT: up for sale again!
legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
Has anyone seen the full transcipt from the latest hearing?

Will this suffice?


"OMFG!!! The judge made Satoshi cry."
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Bitcoin SV created a theme in the Russian section  [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Opигинaльнoe Bидeниe Caтoши.
I wrote the first message, in which I indicated the difference for newbies, between BTC and Bitcoin SV coins and gave a link to https://coinmarketcap.com/
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Для нoвичкoв. He пyтaйтe этo(BSV) https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-sv/

c биткoинoм (btc) № 1 нa https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/  этo paзныe мoнeты.

пocмoтpитe в Trust aвтopa - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2371095

Bitcoin SV deleted my message. Tries to mislead people.
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At what point do we start betting how many jail time Craig will get?

I'm in ! I'm in !! Where do we have to submit our bet? !?!  Grin Grin

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At what point do we start betting how many jail time Craig will get?
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Always ask questions. #StandWithHongKong
In other news, The website Loser.com redirects to CSW wiki entry.  Grin

The internet or that website used to troll Donald Trump, and lots of celebrities before, but I guess it's CSW turn now.

You can try and see it for yourself.  Grin

Hahahaaaa!!  That's just brilliant. That's added to my profile. God I love the internet sometimes.
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