[SCAM] Is payonix.com a legitimate AISC H/w manufacturer in Australia?

OGBabeh

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Hey everyone first post

Just a heads up these guys are also running two other sites cryptcloudex.com and ezibit.com.au

Is anyone still having trouble with getting a refund? Would be happy to make a trip to their office and enforce payment, no upfront cost and would work out cheaper if done as a group. Leeches like this are actively holding back bitcoin.

smithytzu

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Quote from: S4VV4S on February 15, 2014, 06:25:09 AM

Quote from: Anddos on February 15, 2014, 05:59:59 AM

if you paid by bank wire then cant you sort it out with the bank, get the bank to send them a letter?

Bank Transfers are final.

That's why scammers use it.

The bank won't help, you need to do as I suggested, I paid via bank transfer back in November and got my funds back

S4VV4S

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Quote from: Anddos on February 15, 2014, 05:59:59 AM

if you paid by bank wire then cant you sort it out with the bank, get the bank to send them a letter?

Bank Transfers are final.

That's why scammers use it.

Anddos

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if you paid by bank wire then cant you sort it out with the bank, get the bank to send them a letter?

smithytzu

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Quote from: cm1223 on February 14, 2014, 07:35:34 AM

Hi Everyone,

I sent 7k to Payonix a few months back and I was promised delivery this month. I was reviewing forums and came across this. My heart sank and now I feel sick.

Can anyone give any advice on what to do? Sadly I paid via bank transfer and not paypal.

Thanks,

Darren

Hi Darren,

Sorry to hear your story, bitcoin is a bit of a wild west.

They haven't gone anywhere, they're still physically located on the Gold Coast, nettfold is who you're after, if you're in Australia then you can handle it a few ways...

- file a claim in the small claims court at nettfolds address.
- Also report the matter to fair trading qld, this is not the first time this guy has fucked people over.

- or do what I did, these guys aren't hard crims, their white collar nerds, 7k is a decent bounty to collect, find a guy that'll collect for you, I threatened to have a few friends visit and kept on their butt about it and had my money back quick, they weren't happy with how I handled it, but scum like them deserve nothing less. They're experts at dodging the law but I bet they can't dodge a fist.

Good luck.

Smithy

S4VV4S

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Quote from: cm1223 on February 14, 2014, 07:35:34 AM

Hi Everyone,

I sent 7k to Payonix a few months back and I was promised delivery this month. I was reviewing forums and came across this. My heart sank and now I feel sick. I pretty much gave this company all my savings and now am shattered.

Can anyone give any advice on what to do? Sadly I paid via bank transfer and not paypal.

Thanks.

Option A: Forget about your money and move on.

Option B: Spend more money to track these clowns and get your money back (maybe)

Option C: Forget about your money, move on and next time be cautious.

cm1223

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Hi Everyone,

I sent 7k to Payonix a few months back and I was promised delivery this month. I was reviewing forums and came across this. My heart sank and now I feel sick.

Can anyone give any advice on what to do? Sadly I paid via bank transfer and not paypal.

Thanks,

Darren

rdmk

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finally got everything back, I paid 24.1 btc for hosted mining 2 days before the final 'live event'. I actually flew up to surfers for it and stood in the Hilton foyer by myself like a stooge. Next day asked for a refund, 6 weeks and 95 emails later I got it all back (minus 0.14 btc in 'processing fees'). Bit by bit they paid as they were speculating on the markets, there were at least 2 people replying as 'Andrew', one politely keeping the business facade and the other a cocky speculator who overused the word "buddy". They had the coins over the whole crash and basically used us as a free short service. Anyway just glad the ordeal is over.

smithytzu

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Just wondering if everyone got their money back off these clowns?

Phinnaeus Gage

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Quote from: DyslexicZombei on November 01, 2013, 05:57:19 PM

From their Terms and Conditions:

"2. PAYMENT.
(a) Payments are due in the amounts, in the currency, and at the time stated in the order or confirmation sent by Payonix, or if not so stated: (a) paid Bitcoin, to the account designated by Payonix; (b) within thirty (30) days of date of invoice. If Payonix incurs exchange rate losses due to Buyer’s failure to pay when payments are due, Payonix shall be entitled to equivalent compensation from Buyer for such losses. Payonix is not responsible for pricing, typographical or other errors in any offer by Payonix and reserves the right to cancel any orders arising from such errors.

(b) Interest will accrue on all late payments, at the rate of 18% per annum or the applicable statutory rate, whichever is higher and to the extent permitted by applicable law, from the due date until payment in full. In the event of any default by Buyer in the payment of any fees or charges due, or any other default by Buyer, Payonix shall have the right to refuse delivery of any Products until payments are brought current and Payonix may suspend, delay or cancel any credit, delivery or any other performance by Payonix. Such right shall be in addition to, and not in lieu of, any other rights and remedies available under these Terms or at law or in equity for Buyer’s default."

Now, I'm *not* a contract expert (although I'm undergoing a crash course from a fellow co-op GBC who is also a VP of his own company) but I'd have to say that these payment terms seem to be virtually indistinguishable to a hamfisted prostate massage.

Wait: so you mean I could order in a few weeks, and pay COD when they show up? Sign me up! Cheesy

Same as HF's ToS.

D-Train

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I paid via Paypal and eventually got my money back.

About a week after filing my dispute for refund I got this email from paypal:

Hello ,

The refund sent by Robert Nettlefold ([email protected]) did not clear from the sender's bank. You have not received funds for this payment in your PayPal account.

Please contact Robert Nettlefold regarding this refund.

-----------------------------------
Refund details:
-----------------------------------

Amount: $3,799.00 AUD
Sender: Robert Nettlefold
Sender's email: [email protected]
Transaction ID:
Transaction date: 18 Nov 2013

Sincerely,

PayPal

Shortly after that email PayPal sent me an email telling me they had retrieved the funds and I should expect them in my account in the next few days, and it eventually came through.

Not sure if it was actually refunded by 'Andrew Thomas/Robert Nettleford' or forcibly refunded by Paypal.

dreamzz

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Who knows what they are doing, I guess we will know that in the coming few days.

Anddos

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what a bunch of nasty people,someone seriously needs to pay them a visit

JFreak

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Quote from: dreamzz on December 05, 2013, 08:59:07 PM

Anyone got the money back yet? anyone has still an order with them?

No. Still got no refund! I did buy a mining contract from them, but they didn't answer any mail! Angry

They've used an anonymous mailbox for communication over their mailcontact form and I was completely surprised as I did see a mail from me and other payonix customers inside this fake mailbox!!! (Have a look to the google cache document that I've posted above!)

I've reported the fraud to my bank and also to the westpac Security Team.

Aha they will relase a new website!

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Clients will have access to the hosted mining partition within days! be notified, we just need your e-mail address

Sounds very trustworthy! Angry

smithytzu

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Yeah they've obviously brought legit hardware with all the coin they've ripped from us and are now using it to make money through hosting.

Adam Nettfold is a piece of shit.

dreamzz

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Anyone see their website has been changed from hardware supply to hosted mining contract

dreamzz

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Anyone got the money back yet? anyone has still an order with them?

JFreak

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There is a possibility to report the SCAM to westpac, where payonix have one ore more bank accounts:
http://www.westpac.com.au/security/fraud-and-scams/reporting-scams/

If you did pay trough wire transfer to a westpac account, report your scam details to [email protected]

MonsterCro

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Interesting. So originally the business was registeFraud ito the riverwalk robina adddifficulties under Robert nettlefold who had a broadbeach address anyway and Adams aec address is the riverwalk robina address but Payonix claimed that they had no involvement with Adam nettlefold but they used his address.

Also they still were selling these units and taking orders well after they claimed they had sold out. Sound like nothing dodgy goingon there. And they still can't state the unit they are at 55 cavill ave

And regardless they claimed that had a working test unit that had so many technical difficulties went it went to live demo you still would of posted pics of it anyway to re assure customers you were legit.

But anyway the evidence is to strong against them. Fraud it is.

Zelek Uther

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Run a Bitcoin node.

Hi critta,

Sorry to hear that you have been scammed by Payonix. We believe they are operating an arbitrage-type scam where they take your money, invest it in bitcoin, wait for bitcoin price rise, sell the bitcoin for profit, then return your original money. It works even better if the victim paid them in bitcoin. Your money gets tied up for a few weeks, but you get it back in the end (hopefully). In the meantime you have suffered opportunity loss (you lost the use of your money during that time), and they have profited using your money.

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