Scam Warning: WoodCollector - page 12.

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Quote from: TerraHasher on December 29, 2014, 08:15:08 PM

Quote from: WoodCollector on December 29, 2014, 07:51:47 PM

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Quote from: WoodCollector on December 29, 2014, 07:33:17 PM

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Please dont take me as being rude, but i am an artist not a mind reader. I have no idea what you heard so i can neither confirm nor deny it.

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PLEASE DELETE YOUR POSTS FOR ME IMMEDIATELY AND SEND ME A PM. I will pay $1000 in BTC if you do it within the next 10 Minutes.

A pleasure doing business with you, but i probably would have done it for free if you just asked. Sorry if i spilled the beans. Please do keep me on the list of people to be notified when you release it as if the price is right i am very interested in it. I even have 3.16BTC saved up for it now Wink

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I'd leave you a trust rating for actually holding true to your word and paying me, but i dont think trust rep from me would help you any after the trolls got ahold of me a few months ago and destroyed my trust rating. So i guess a simple thank you for being a man of your word will have to do.

Quote from: WoodCollector on December 29, 2014, 08:19:34 PM

Quote from: Pistachio on December 29, 2014, 08:12:23 PM

Quote from: TookDk on December 29, 2014, 08:09:46 PM

Interesting

What was that all about?

Nothing to worry about Pistachio, ~~has nothing to do with the coins you or anyone else purchased~~...... Yet

Somehow i think my PM's got hacked and someone found out about a secret a month or two before it is suppose to be known.

You are very much involved in the surprise, but not right now. Thats all i can really say. Sorry! You'll thank me later.

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IMPORTANT:

I have received PMs indicating that WoodCollector is contacting his customers privately, and attempting to extort more money out of them by claiming that he will provide them with video proof once they pay their outstanding balance.

I urge any customers who have not paid in full to not give this scammer any more of your money as he runs out the door.

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Quote from: haploid23 on January 21, 2015, 10:08:42 AM

Quote from: Jookly on January 21, 2015, 09:53:18 AM

I don't really think anyone spent 14k on a piece. I think that is a shill to drive business on these smaller items. If someone did spend 14k on a piece of laser etched wood.... well that money must have not meant much to them in the first place.

Actually I just found out someone did indeed spend $14k on a piece. Blazedout419 is no shill account, I've dealt with him several times. But the money he spent was before this fraud surfaced.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-hive-a-14000usd-bitcoin-art-piece-864472

I am aware of what is being represented in that thread. I am saying I am skeptical of the whole thing. If that guy has 14k to blow on a small piece of wood then I guess maybe I am jealous, but it also pisses me off because of the obvious lack of value represented in this piece. What I mean is that for 14k you could get some really amazing things and even if that particular piece was not horribly misrepresented it still looks like a piece of shit at that price. Anyway. I hope nobody actually got screwed that bad.

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Quote from: Jookly on January 21, 2015, 09:53:18 AM

I don't really think anyone spent 14k on a piece. I think that is a shill to drive business on these smaller items. If someone did spend 14k on a piece of laser etched wood.... well that money must have not meant much to them in the first place.

Actually I just found out someone did indeed spend $14k on a piece. Blazedout419 is no shill account, I've dealt with him several times. But the money he spent was before this fraud surfaced.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-hive-a-14000usd-bitcoin-art-piece-864472

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Quote from: Jookly on January 21, 2015, 09:59:12 AM

I think everyone agrees the designs look nice etched in the wood but that is totally beside the point, which is that he is misrepresenting his work.

THIS, A THOUSAND TIMES THIS

Even Paul Revere said his lasering was cool, in between chewing him out Cheesy

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Quote from: nubbins on January 21, 2015, 09:09:37 AM

Quote from: cyrusb on January 21, 2015, 08:44:40 AM

Quote from: BG4 on January 21, 2015, 07:24:38 AM

If this is not done by a laser what causes the burn marks and the lines?

Probably the burn marks come from using his enormous lathe chisels so quickly.

Haha. I must admit I was surprised how fast he was churning these out. I have little knowledge of the actual craft but these pieces would certainly take a very long time to perfect by hand.

Quote from: Jookly on January 21, 2015, 09:53:18 AM

I can't believe some people are still trying to defend him. Crazy.

I don't really think anyone spent 14k on a piece. I think that is a shill to drive business on these smaller items. If someone did spend 14k on a piece of laser etched wood.... well that money must have not meant much to them in the first place.

The people defending him are likely socks.

Quote from: psybits on January 21, 2015, 09:56:15 AM

Quote from: Jookly on January 21, 2015, 09:53:18 AM

I can't believe some people are still trying to defend him. Crazy.

I don't really think anyone spent 14k on a piece. I think that is a shill to drive business on these smaller items. If someone did spend 14k on a piece of laser etched wood.... well that money must have not meant much to them in the first place.

I'm not trying to defend him. If he used a laser and didn't tell his customers that it is wrong.

I just think the pieces he carves / lasers / whatever he does do look nice and at least he does deliver a product to his customers.

Yeah, he delivers a product but not one as described or what they thought they were getting.

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Quote from: psybits on January 21, 2015, 09:56:15 AM

Quote from: Jookly on January 21, 2015, 09:53:18 AM

I can't believe some people are still trying to defend him. Crazy.

I don't really think anyone spent 14k on a piece. I think that is a shill to drive business on these smaller items. If someone did spend 14k on a piece of laser etched wood.... well that money must have not meant much to them in the first place.

I'm not trying to defend him. If he used a laser and didn't tell his customers that it is wrong.

I just think the pieces he carves / lasers / whatever he does do look nice and at least he does deliver a product to his customers.

the entire point of this thread is that he used a laser and lied about the technique to his customers. He was still denying it in this thread ffs. I think everyone agrees the designs look nice etched in the wood but that is totally beside the point, which is that he is misrepresenting his work.

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Quote from: Jookly on January 21, 2015, 09:53:18 AM

I can't believe some people are still trying to defend him. Crazy.

I don't really think anyone spent 14k on a piece. I think that is a shill to drive business on these smaller items. If someone did spend 14k on a piece of laser etched wood.... well that money must have not meant much to them in the first place.

I'm not trying to defend him. If he used a laser and didn't tell his customers that it is wrong.

I just think the pieces he carves / lasers / whatever he does do look nice and at least he does deliver a product to his customers.

Jookly

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I can't believe some people are still trying to defend him. Crazy.

I don't really think anyone spent 14k on a piece. I think that is a shill to drive business on these smaller items. If someone did spend 14k on a piece of laser etched wood.... well that money must have not meant much to them in the first place.

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Quote from: haploid23 on January 21, 2015, 09:35:03 AM

Yes you're right, art has no clear value. However, whether this piece being hand carved or lasered it pretty clear cut. Like the gold analogy, this wood was marketed and priced as a hand carved piece (real), but turned out to be lasered (fake).

And it's debatable to even call it HIS work. The artwork seen in here are not even original, but rather just taken from various sources. This is even a potential for copyright infringement if he stole from the wrong source.

If he bought that eagle image from Shutterstock, I'll eat my hat. As if that's the one thing he'd have moral scruples about.

It is 100%, guaranteed, undeniable copyright infringement, and he likely charged hundreds of dollars for that piece. Shutterstock's lawyers will chew him a new asshole if he can't provide a receipt. If I were him, I'd delete my account and pray that none of my customers calls the cops on me.

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Quote from: psybits on January 21, 2015, 07:24:11 AM

Quote from: haploid23 on January 21, 2015, 07:16:46 AM

Quote from: psybits on January 21, 2015, 06:41:32 AM

Wow I only just saw WoodCollector's work today and somehow found this thread that has totally blown up.

At least he delivers the goods and in my opinion they look amazing.

No doubt he is using a laser for some of the finish. That is obvious.

All his clients seem happy(?) and he just needs to start mentioning that he uses a laser engraver for some of the finishing work.

Case closed.

EDIT: I also think the title of this thread is misleading. He delivers the work and his clients seem happy. Calling him a scammer is going too far in my opinion.

Going back to what I just mentioned: if you bought gold and received counterfeit, you technically received something, but is it not a scam? The high value is in the hand carving, which he is still lying about. You yourself admitted that it's laser-created, not hand carved.

People create art with all kinds of different methods and techniques. The amount of time put into it does not equate with value in the art world. It depends on many other factors. It's not as clear cut here as someone selling fake gold. That is black and white. It's either real gold or not.

EDIT: Also I agree with you. He does need to state that he uses lasers for the finishing work and I agree he should have been honest about this from the start. I still like his work though.

Yes you're right, art has no clear value. However, whether this piece being hand carved or lasered it pretty clear cut. Like the gold analogy, this wood was marketed and priced as a hand carved piece (real), but turned out to be lasered (fake).

And it's debatable to even call it HIS work. The artwork seen in here are not even original, but rather just taken from various sources. This is even a potential for copyright infringement if he stole from the wrong source.

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Quote from: Gervais on January 21, 2015, 09:20:54 AM

but does all it take is creating a digital file to then sit infront of a laser to etch everything for you or is there more to it than that?

Yes, that is precisely all that is required. You hit Print, the laser etches the design. Booths at the mall will do it for you while you wait for about $20. Afterward, you can clean up the design by hand (which WC didn't -- see Paul Revere's post about the visible laser etch lines), and put some stain or lacquer on it. He really did put the absolute minimum amount of effort in.

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Quote from: elasticband on January 20, 2015, 08:21:10 AM

you would think the inside would be etched also and not left looking so scruffy

I remember seeing one of these and thinking it was a pretty wonky job and couldn't believe the price someone had paid fir it (but I had no idea how hard it would be to carve something like this?). Whats the consensus on his actual talents? The coins do look excellent and very cool, but does all it take is creating a digital file to then sit infront of a laser to etch everything for you or is there more to it than that?

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Quote from: cyrusb on January 21, 2015, 08:44:40 AM

Quote from: BG4 on January 21, 2015, 07:24:38 AM

If this is not done by a laser what causes the burn marks and the lines?

Probably the burn marks come from using his enormous lathe chisels so quickly.

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Quote from: BG4 on January 21, 2015, 07:24:38 AM

If this is not done by a laser what causes the burn marks and the lines?

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I've looked at the "artwork" and my opinion is; it's machined.
Lack of attention in the details that a carver would have addressed.

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Please note the impossibly large size of those "chisels" (actually lathe chisels for his shitty lathe: http://www.amazon.com/Pc-Wood-Lathe-Chisel-Set/dp/B000FVEF6O). It is simply not possible that he could be carving the pieces with those tools. Look at how big they are!

EDIT: OP updated with the latest so people don't have to scroll through 11 pages.

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Quote from: AT101ET on January 21, 2015, 07:51:16 AM

It hasn't been locked yet so thought I'd jump in.
WoodCollector, your pieces look great but please can you honestly state whether or not you are using a laser engraver.
If not, please ask requested, upload a time lapse/video of you hand carving the pieces as you claim.
Unfortunately, it doesnt look too good for you with the current evidence being stacked up against you.

Quote from: WoodCollector on December 02, 2014, 03:43:20 PM

Quote from: smoothie on December 02, 2014, 03:19:36 PM

Is this hand carved?

Honestly, no offense it looks like it was laser engraved. I've lasered wood and it looks very similar in nature.

Nice work!!

Hand carved with chisels and worked with a dremmel tool and sandpaper.

No offense taken.

I've seen lasered wood before and it just looks dull to me. It only has 1 real dimension and that's depth. I was looking into getting a laser to speed up the stenciling process but after a day of searching found that any good ones run $20,000 up to $80,000 which is a lot more than i want to spend to save 5 minutes of work of transferring an outline from paper to wood.

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It hasn't been locked yet so thought I'd jump in.
WoodCollector, your pieces look great but please can you honestly state whether or not you are using a laser engraver.
If not, please ask requested, upload a time lapse/video of you hand carving the pieces as you claim.
Unfortunately, it doesnt look too good for you with the current evidence being stacked up against you.

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~~This thread is LOCKED until WoodCollector sends me a PM with a link to his video.~~

This thread remains UNLOCKED so the lels can continue.

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