Topic: Scam Warning: WoodCollector - page 14. (Read 29077 times)

dude, wood collector,

oh well... not the end of the world man....you still
make nice stuff.... I know it's a tough pill to
swallow at this point, but i would respect you
if you had the courage to own up to the mistake.

LoL our local wood carver would even laugh at those half assed job. Oh i wonder if he even used his hands to carve something on those.

Have it your way, heres your thread, and rating has been left. Of course to be removed when you meet ALL of my demands.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-warning-paul-revere-931472

Nobody gives a rats ass about the weak cub scout skill level bong and dildo turnings dude. He claimed to be hand carving the insanely intricate and precise laser engravings which are completely impossible to carve by hand. This is what he was charging crazy prices for, not the lame ass dildo and bong turnings. That is the "big deal".  

extremely rare exotic hardwood

http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-EXOTIC-WOOD-PREMIUM-PEN-BLANKS-MIXED-VARIETY-COCOBOLO-PURPLE-HEART-TOP-QUALITY-/131019885688?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e8164cc78

What's the big deal? He claimed to have hand carved the pieces but used a lathe instead? So what? They still look pretty damn fine to me

Or this guy, but this guy actually painted the paintings. - http://www.cbsnews.com/news/art-forger-wolfgang-beltracchis-multimillion-dollar-scam/

It is worth exactly what someone will pay for it. The issue being raised here is the claim that these pieces are insanely intricately hand carved pieces of art, which they are not. Cool? Yes. Neat laser engravings. Hand carved as claimed? NO.

Edit to add:


Most of the experience I have with wood turning is with duplicator lathes. I am talking about old school ones that follow a 2D (hardboard/lexan/aliminum) pattern. Even so, gauging by the turned items I have seen from WC thus far I would say that I have a lot more experience at hand turning than he does. The bongs do look fine, but they are just random shapes. Making a specific technical profile by hand is a whole different story, as you can see in the complete fail of the "pleasure rings" in the wooden dildo. It looks like something a kid would make real quick while the teacher wasn't looking, to be quite honest. I think I still have a little billy club of about that quality I made exactly that way when I was in middle school.  So, getting back to the specific question: No, a duplicator lathe would not help to make some random bong shape. It would however help to make 1,000 of them exactly the same profile. I do not see any indications of a duplicator setup on or ever being on that brand neww lathe of OC's, though.

Basically this is a "White van speaker scam" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3B_KKyntQE about 1-2 minute or so he starts explaining it and it ends around the 8 minute mark

Hi Paul, I'm wondering if you can overcome the skill needed using a duplicator?  WoodCollector talks a lot about lathes and mentions duplicators in his reddit profile: http://www.reddit.com/user/thewoodcollector

There's a huge difference in price between machine crafted pieces and actual hand crafted pieces. He was just taking advantage of the lack of knowledge of wood working in the BTC community. It's the same thing as selling a counterfeit piece of art. The original might go for $1,000,000, but the counterfeit wouldn't even fetch a fraction of that.

   
   
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When freshly cut the heartwood of Purpleheart is a  dull grayish/purplish brown. Upon exposure the wood becomes a deeper eggplant purple. With further age and exposure to UV light, the wood becomes a dark brown with a hint of purple. The high grade Purpleheart that this piece is made of has a super high resin content that leaves it more purple than others after aging. This piece was freshly cut and worked by hand so it still has 5-10 years to fully age to its darkest color but will start to show its deep royal purples within the next week or two.




http://www.wood-database.com/lumber-identification/hardwoods/purpleheart/

The Guy knows his wood...

So how much is that $14,000 piece he sold really worth?

@ Terrahasher: I really don't care what you want. I am afraid you will have to find another monkey to jump up and down for you. Uhm Kay?

P.S: All I am doing in this thread is pointing out that the claims by WoodColloector that his pieces are hand carved are not that at all. If you want to argue about that , by all means. Go right ahead. Hell, I think you should even pay exorbitant prices to buy some.

Some people were paying for a certain implied quality of work, despite the fact that many of them had nor way of really knowing nor telling the difference of a piece made via how the OP is claiming verses how WC is claiming

Sure it is, as long as this is a witch hunt thread, you better post some proof that that is you. I want to see a picture with that business card with your screen name wrote on it in pen on that same flag background. A video of you building a home, a picture of your diploma from where you went to school as a machinist. The name of your instructor. The name of your home building company and a copy of your contractors insurance to show that you are really who / what you say you are.

Dont tell me no now or you get your own scam accusation thread since that is how this forum opperates.

Sort of. I would consider this bong to be "hand worked". I would not call it "hand carved". That is a very specific thing, meaning you are taking hand chisels or scorps. etc. and carving the wood by hand. The "hand carvings" WoodCollector is charging big BTC for are definitely laser work. Turning some random shape on a lathe is not at all that hard, either. Making 4 legs for a table by hand on a lathe and having them all match exactly? That is a quite bit harder and takes some practice and skill. I went to school for and worked as a machinist , by the way. I worked Tool&Die for years, mostly making prototype pieces for GM. I minored in industrial woodworking, so I know how to set up and run real industrial woodworking machinery. I ran a production woodworking outfit for some years, and have since turned to homebuilding.
This is a card for when I had a shop in Golden, CO, ~25 years ago.

I agree. Protected and endangered woods should not be allowed as I would think this would violate some laws in some nations.

I will be back in 2 days.

From woodcollectors art thread.
Q: What kind of wood can i have something made from?

A: If it exists on this planet i have access to it. It does not matter if it is protected, endangered or practically non existent. I have access to foresters, brokers, and a swarm of people who can obtain anything i need legally for me with forestry permits and import documents.




I have a problem with anyone who would even say this...... 

Using "Protected, Endangered or Practically non existent"  wood used is not sitting well with me.

Even tho ever thing looks like stained oak.
 

In my opinion WoodCollector seems to either of been running an elaborate scam or is an actual wood designer that just saw an opportunity to capitalize and make a lot more money than what his products would normally sell for. The Dildo thing kind of just blows it all out of the water IMO, nobody making that much money would be wasting the time to make wooden dildo's for a couple hundred bucks.