Topic: Scam Warning: WoodCollector - page 16. (Read 29077 times)

No, I understand how the trust system is suppose to work. If you scam, are trying to scam  then you should receive negative trust in order to warn others who will potentially want to trade with you in the future. What you are doing by opening this thread has nothing to do with you scamming, unprofessional, yes somewhat, but scamming no.

My point is that there is a good chance that woodcollector is bluffing. He could have made that offer knowing that negative trust would not be appropriate and that smoothie would probably not agree to such a clause. His offer allows him to offer to make a video without having to actually make one.

If you end up being wrong about woodcollector then if you agree to receive negative trust from smoothie if you are proven to be wrong then your reputation is intact. If you call his bluff and you are right then you have the opportunity to prove him to be a fraud  

I had a good chuckle at those who think that woodcollector's work is NOT done with a laser. The exact vectors of the lions and side elements used are available all over online, for free. The details speak for themselves.

Anyways, for what it's worth, I've dealt with Nubbins on IRC and he was nothing but professional and reliable. This isn't the reason I am posting here, but I feel it's fair to point out.

It's a dildo 

Is it just me or does that Butterfly labs piece on the 1st page look like a dildo? 

Tip of the hat to Nubbins. I love the way this place polices itself!

People tend to get butthurt when their $14,000 per item scam is disrupted by the truth.

Of course it wouldn't. WC's negative rating of me is currently doing more damage to his reputation than my negative rating of him is.


I think most of you do not understand what a trust system is and how it works.

I don't think this would destroy nubbins reputation. While I do agree with your logic that negative trust would not be appropriate in this case, if nubbins were to agree then I don't see the harm. All it would really do is cause more proof to be given by nubbins in the future when he wants to call out scams (assuming he is wrong in this case).

I do somewhat suspect that this offer was made in a way that he knew it would probably not be accepted (meaning it was a bluff). If both yourself and nubbins were to agree to this clause then maybe his bluff can be called

Tries to bribe me one more time via PM on the way out:

So he'll show anyone the videos of him doing the real thing, as long as they neg-rate me. And he's also gone, because he's tired of all the questions. Is that about it? Maybe he shouldn't have sold his last wooden dildo, he's going home empty-handed... at least he can hit the wood bong when he gets home from school!

I have responded to your offer. Please see above. Thanks.

 

120 hours carving a piece of clip art.

Just so we're clear here, the jig is up, WoodCutter is a fraud, eat shit. Another one in the pile. People like you are the fucking cancers of this place.

Quoted for posteriors:

Enough guys. 12 hours of this stupid shit is about all this old man can handle for a lifetime.

To Nubbins, i got nothing for you. dealing with you is exhausting. You win. whatever. feel big, you took the crown in the dick measuring contest. We have all seen what an ass you can be. Feel proud !

To my clients, i will still be making some carving videos, you want them, you know where to find me I can and will still prove to you that Nubbins is full of shit and on a smear campaign, i am now just choosing to do so directly with the people who matter, not every tom dick and harry that thinks they know a darn thing about woodworking

To paul revere, wow, 40 years as a woodworker and you turned into a tool yourself. Especially in AZ, take a trip up to Lake Havasu, Drive the McCullogh BLVD. Loop. Stop in a few of the galleries take a very close look at some of the carvings, then reply back that they were done with a laser or CNC to prove how little you really do know.

To future clients, sorry for letting this get so out of hand, i am done with the public smearing campaign as of now. You want some videos, send me a message in a few days. It comes with a condition though, once you watch them, Nubins gets his negative feedback as he deserves.

I'm out, i have clients to worry about and this crap has now taken an entire work day away from me where 0 work was done on their pieces. . They are the ones who deserve the videos, they are the ones who deserve the pictures, they are the ones who have the right to ask the questions.

<--- This guy is done with the kid crap, you guys know how to get in touch if you want some videos or have some questions, i'd be happy to provide them to ANYONE who wants to act in a professional manner.

Although I am actually lelling out loud here, maybe you're one of my socks

Anyway, I uh, look:



Two-tone images (solid black and white, vector) are precisely and exclusively the sort of file that lasers would use to etch wood. If nothing else, the fact that he'd use a stock b&w vector image without even bothering to take 15 minutes to modify it a bit, rather than taking, say, an actual photograph of a roaring lion in a pose he likes, and creating an original drawing from that, speaks to his intentions. Quick bucks.

Everyone here who had the audacity to say unkind things to me in any thread relating to this matter should be ashamed of themselves.

Just saw this and been away today as it's a busy day for me...

Let me address your offer here point by point:

1. Agreed. I think there is a lot of discussion going on that could be squelched with you posting a video of hand making one of your products that have intricate details like we have all seen you post.

2. Agreed. I was not expecting this type of thing but if you do want me to review your product I will do my best to give a neutral and unbiased review of your work (assuming there is an accompanying video of your hand crafting of the product).

3. I DO NOT AGREE TO THIS. Essentially this is not about nubbins and more about you and you silencing your critics. If you choose not to create a product for me I will not be offended. In fact I was surprised at your offer. This does give you a chance to silence every critic of your work and make your business image that much stronger by doing so. You have upside to gain should you prove opposing parties wrong. The most productive aspect of this is not for me to leave him negative feedback as I do not believe he has done anything that warrants negative feedback. But I do disagree with his approach in creating the thread and not talking with you directly to get all of his facts before posting.

I do not believe that leaving negative feedback due to a thread like this is warranted as nubbins could retract his thread in the future (edit it and choose to publicly admit he was wrong should you prove him wrong.)

As I said if you prove me wrong in my own opinions of your work, I will publicly apologize and concede I was wrong and if you do end up sending me one of your pieces of hand-carved work I will review it for all to see.

Essentially as I said before this is not about nubbins and about say silencing me and making me in fact support you in your worksmanship should you be able to convince me that your products are in fact "hand-carved" pieces and not just partially hand-carved pieces.

There are no hard feelings here for me. I do want the truth to be out in the open and I believe you have been and are being given the opportunity to prove us all wrong who may doubt you.

Aloha,

Smoothie 

My two cents:

1) As a general rule, a scammer will shift the focus away from himself and/or attack his detractors.  This usually happens unconsciously.

2) As a general rule, a non-scammer will be cooperative and do what is necessary to prove his innocence.

These rules are general, not universal.  Make your own judgment.  I've made mine.

Even if WoodCollector is legitimate, I won't be doing business with him simply due to his unprofessional response to all of this. I also find it hard to believe someone who makes $10,000,000 a year to be this unprofessional.

Amazing. I happen to be a woodworker of 40+ years myself (yes, I really am that old) and I contacted WoodCollecter just a couple days ago to see if he was interested in buying some Ironwood, although I never looked at his work. Now i see this and my mind is completely boggled. I did not read every post here, but I can affirm the opinion of a few I saw that have said that the intricate carving in question is done with a laser. I am 100% sure about it. NO doubt, case closed. What amazes me is not that he is using a laser etcher, but that he is denying it, especially at this point. I do have to say that the overall level of craftsmanship in the pieces I have seen pictures here is not impressive (wonky ass BTC cutouts, etc.), but the laser work is super cool. Should have been honest with your customers.

You can clearly see the line by line marks left on this piece that are definitely, without a doubt, with 100% certainty left by a laser engraver exactly the same as a printer does:



WHY? Why is it necessary to lie to people?
That is actually only a rhetorical question, because the prices WC is getting for "hand carved" pieces is why- duh. The stuff WC is making is cool, but what ever happened to being honest? Guess we can add WoodCollecter's name to the long list of BTC scammers. What a shame. Greed. It is a sickness. Instead of making great money making neato laser engraved items he has to play people for fucking fools and say that he is carving that shit by hand so he can charge Uber Craftsman prices. Disgusted.

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dude that's really cool! It looks like Turkish Flag, I loved it!
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Seriously you are a fucking retard. Sock lol. Don't make me laugh. Wow so my account started in December, that means I must be a sock puppet

I have commissioned and paid for 2 pieces by Woodcollector - do you need to see the transaction ID's? I wonder what you will be saying once he posts the videos? No doubt you will call his videos fake.