SCAMMER: caradenada - page 6. | Bitcointalksearch.org

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Quote from: cointell on December 05, 2012, 07:13:29 AM

The visa card numbers caradenada gave me began with 406742, 418044, 498401, and 498431. Not all of the cards worked, and when I complained he gave me different ones. Can someone with a legitimate entropay account confirm whether or not these are actual entropay card numbers?

Hmmm. Some quick googling suggests:

406742 is Entropay
418044 is Fai Financeira Americanas Itau S.A. de Credito Financiamento eInvestimento, apparently a Brazilian bank
498401 and 498431 are both Banco do Brasil S.A.

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caradenada

I'm very concerned about this thread and the information posted here. You have to address this immediately or I will be weighing in with some evidence as well.

Thank you.

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Quote from: caradenada on December 05, 2012, 12:03:56 PM

Look Baron, i hope you can sostain what you are talking about, this is a completly different acussation, and unless you have proves of that i gently ask you to rectify your words, or i will take another kind of actions.So now, people are acussing me, and not even one of you shows a single prove of what you talk, thats pretty funny, so now i can decide to start a post saying any member i decide to, its a scammer, a hacker, a thief, a sexual offender, and anything else i think in, without any, ~~ANY SINGLE~~ proof. I really respect this forum and all its members, but this is too much, someone has to put a limit. I ask again, for last time, to ask cointell and now this Baron, to show their proves if they have anyone, or otherwise, you can close the account and finish this childly acussations. Of course, i reserve the rights to act legally, becaue your words, without any single prove, affects me in my moral, and of course in my bussiness too.

Wow, you even type like a scammer.

Can you explain why some card numbers didn't work then? lol

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Quote from: John (John K.) on December 05, 2012, 12:27:59 PM

OP:
Please post any supporting evidence that you have on the case. (the single liner email SS etc)
If possible, do get the details from the merchant receiving the chargeback and clarify that if the cards were stolen.

The email from the merchant said: "We received a chargeback from our bank today regarding the order below. The reason stated was that the charge was not recognised" and gave the order number. I do not know if the cards were stolen and neither does the merchant. There is no chargeback code for "stolen card". "Charge not recognized" is the closest you'll get. I have offered to repay the merchant for the loss.

I've stated all the relevant facts, although I've withheld some specific details such as the full card numbers and amounts, on the chance that the cards were stolen and have not yet been cancelled. I have nothing else to add to this thread.

If you want to confirm that caradenada lied about the origin of the cards, then look at the PMs that caradenada sent me and see that the first digits of the card numbers are different, which would not be the case if the card numbers all came from entropay. If you consider that sufficient proof of lying, then give him a scammer tag. If it's not sufficient, then I guess he doesn't get a scammer tag.

There is really no point in continuing to debate this.

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Screenshots? Congrats, you know how to use Photoshop.

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Quote from: cointell on December 05, 2012, 10:56:14 AM

You don't seem to understand how credit cards numbers are structured. The first 6 digits are the bank identification number, and would be sufficient to identify these cards as coming from entropay or not.

Entropay is not a bank.

Quote from: cointell on December 05, 2012, 10:56:14 AM

It's just a one-line email saying there was a chargeback.

Post the emails with the header here.

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Away on an extended break

OP:
Please post any supporting evidence that you have on the case. (the single liner email SS etc)
If possible, do get the details from the merchant receiving the chargeback and clarify that if the cards were stolen.

caradenada:
No, we are not closing the thread as per the forum policy. You have the right to defend yourself here. Please post any supporting evidence that you have on the case.

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I do not. I have screenshots of the cards i sold lucky for me. Tell me where you need me to send, and ill send as soon as im back home, in about 2 hours. Just a thing, so everyone who reads this see what you are doing, you start claiming about chargebacks, and now you change your speak, saying i sell you another thing than the one i offered you. Im starting to think you are not so clever really, you are digging your cript (or however you write it), yourselve. Keep doing this, you are helping me showing that the scammer and lyer here are you. Anyway, anyone who wants to see the screenshots, tell me where to upload, i show the proves, because apparently cointell only go in words.

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Cara de Nada, you claimed to be selling Entropay cards. Instead you gave me cards with different first digits, which were NOT from Entropay. You lied, and you are a scammer.

You can make excuses about the chargebacks, but it doesn't change the fact that you lied about the origin of these cards.

caradenada

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Look Baron, i hope you can sostain what you are talking about, this is a completly different acussation, and unless you have proves of that i gently ask you to rectify your words, or i will take another kind of actions.So now, people are acussing me, and not even one of you shows a single prove of what you talk, thats pretty funny, so now i can decide to start a post saying any member i decide to, its a scammer, a hacker, a thief, a sexual offender, and anything else i think in, without any, ~~ANY SINGLE~~ proof. I really respect this forum and all its members, but this is too much, someone has to put a limit. I ask again, for last time, to ask cointell and now this Baron, to show their proves if they have anyone, or otherwise, you can close the account and finish this childly acussations. Of course, i reserve the rights to act legally, becaue your words, without any single prove, affects me in my moral, and of course in my bussiness too.

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Sorry OP, hope you don't get in any legal trouble because of this.

thebaron

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Sounds like he was selling people stolen credit card numbers. Completely explains the chargebacks and the different first digits.

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We are still without proves. Send something that confirms the chargeback exists, and its from the same card i sold you. We are in the middle of nothing again. Theres no one prove against me. So again, please admin close this thread.

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Quote from: Xch4ng3 on December 05, 2012, 11:09:20 AM

Not taking anyone's side - but the BINs that are all different are very weird. Entropay has the same first 4 numbers and the rest are different.

It may not be possible to prove the chargeback, but if a moderator/admin is able to look at the private messages caradenada sent me, then it should be possible to confirm that he did in fact give me card numbers with different BINs.

In other words, while he claimed to be selling entropay cards, he actually gave me something else. I guess it's up to the moderators whether that justifies a scammer tag.

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Not taking anyone's side - but the BINs that are all different are very weird. Entropay has the same first 4 numbers and the rest are different.

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Quote from: caradenada on December 05, 2012, 10:51:50 AM

I also have the card screenshots to prove they are legitime.

Yeah, go ahead and post your fake screenshots. Then explain the bank identification numbers, and why you had to keep giving me different card numbers because of the cards not working.

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Quote from: augustocroppo on December 05, 2012, 09:38:27 AM

Where is the evidence I ask you hours ago to prove the chargeback?

The chargeback isn't against me, it's against the merchant. It's not on my bank statement or credit card statement.

I don't know exactly what the bank told the merchant, all I know is that I bought something with a card number that I got from caradenada and now the merchant is very pissed.

There is no more "proof". It's the merchant's word against his.

So, caradenada has allegedly scammed multiple people, but he doesn't get a scammer tag because no one can prove it?

Quote from: augustocroppo on December 05, 2012, 09:38:27 AM

Quote from: cointell on December 05, 2012, 07:13:29 AM

The visa card numbers caradenada gave me began with 406742, 418044, 498401, and 498431. Not all of the cards worked, and when I complained he gave me different ones. Can someone with a legitimate entropay account confirm whether or not these are actual entropay card numbers?

No one can confirm this. It is just few number you post here. Without the full numbers and the formula which verify the numbers, no one can confirm anything at all.

You don't seem to understand how credit cards numbers are structured. The first 6 digits are the bank identification number, and would be sufficient to identify these cards as coming from entropay or not.

I want to know if these cards actually came from entropay, or whether he gave me stolen cards from somewhere else.

He claims to have contacted entropay, but there wouldn't be any reason to contact entropay if the cards came from elsewhere. (In which case, he's lying.)

Quote from: augustocroppo on December 05, 2012, 09:38:27 AM

Moreover, if you have the card numbers then why are you complaining? The chargeback will return the money for the virtual card:

The money would go back to the entropay account, which I don't have access to. I'm not even sure the cards were from entropay, which is why I asked about the bank identification numbers.

Quote from: augustocroppo on December 05, 2012, 09:38:27 AM

So, could you provide a screenshot or a message confirming the chargeback and disclose where did you made the purchase?

It's just a one-line email saying there was a chargeback.

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I also have the card screenshots to prove they are legitime.

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Quote from: augustocroppo on December 05, 2012, 09:38:27 AM

Quote from: cointell on December 05, 2012, 08:43:26 AM

Quote from: paci on December 05, 2012, 08:30:13 AM

In this case, you did not commit any fraud :-) It's your right as a credit card user to ask for a chargeback.

It may have worked this way even in cointell case.

It is fraud. I got the merchandise, and a chargeback was made. I'm now going to have to pay back the money that caradenada stole.

Where is the evidence I ask you hours ago to prove the chargeback?

If you accuse an user, you need to provide evidence to substantiate your claim.

Quote from: cointell on December 05, 2012, 07:13:29 AM

The visa card numbers caradenada gave me began with 406742, 418044, 498401, and 498431. Not all of the cards worked, and when I complained he gave me different ones. Can someone with a legitimate entropay account confirm whether or not these are actual entropay card numbers?

No one can confirm this. It is just few number you post here. Without the full numbers and the formula which verify the numbers, no one can confirm anything at all.

Moreover, if you have the card numbers then why are you complaining? The chargeback will return the money for the virtual card:

https://www.entropay.com/entropay-virtual-visa-features-and-benefits

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Receive money.
Refunds or rewards can be paid back to your Virtual Visa

So, could you provide a screenshot or a message confirming the chargeback and disclose where did you made the purchase?

Actually I can confirm. Entropay virtual credit cards shouldn't all start with different numbers. They all start with the same 4 numbers. If needs be I'll show proof of this. Furthermore, no matter who's giving the card out if they are a legitimate provider they all have a BankIdentificationNumber. No matter how many cards you generate the first few numbers should always be the same as it's Entropay issuing them.

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Quote from: cointell on December 05, 2012, 08:43:26 AM

Quote from: paci on December 05, 2012, 08:30:13 AM

In this case, you did not commit any fraud :-) It's your right as a credit card user to ask for a chargeback.

It may have worked this way even in cointell case.

It is fraud. I got the merchandise, and a chargeback was made. I'm now going to have to pay back the money that caradenada stole.

Where is the evidence I ask you hours ago to prove the chargeback?

If you accuse an user, you need to provide evidence to substantiate your claim.

Quote from: cointell on December 05, 2012, 07:13:29 AM

The visa card numbers caradenada gave me began with 406742, 418044, 498401, and 498431. Not all of the cards worked, and when I complained he gave me different ones. Can someone with a legitimate entropay account confirm whether or not these are actual entropay card numbers?

No one can confirm this. It is just few number you post here. Without the full numbers and the formula which verify the numbers, no one can confirm anything at all.

Moreover, if you have the card numbers then why are you complaining? The chargeback will return the money for the virtual card:

https://www.entropay.com/entropay-virtual-visa-features-and-benefits

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Receive money.
Refunds or rewards can be paid back to your Virtual Visa

So, could you provide a screenshot or a message confirming the chargeback and disclose where did you made the purchase?

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