Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 11. (Read 845437 times)

God is everything. Those who think that God is only good are mistaken. God as goodness, love, etc. is just one side of God. God is both good and evil. God is me, God is you. We are just parts of one whole. Now for us this is incomprehensible, because it was conceived by ourselves for our development, and because it is fun to play the game for a character like me or you.

And for all this, no proof is needed, because I know that I am, and I know there is something around me. So I (God) exist.

^^^ As you stated, nobody can prove the existence or non-existence of God by not proving it.

Keep on talking in muddled ways about junk that doesn't really exist, and you will only prove how muddled your thinking is.

C'mon bro's, I thought you could do better than that, I already stated, NO-ONE can either prove or disprove scientificley, the existance or non-existance of god, but read the last sentence of this post for the ONLY proof you will receive.

So many BRO's repeating the same old trash, again, to bury the truth's I have discovered, in the hope no-one reads what I wrote, but i get more response's from people who do NOT repeat the same old trash, the same old f(e)aces, using confuse and lose tactics, all to try to BURY the fact god'(s) exist.

It's like this. We are imprisoned on this earth. By the so called 'creator gods' - note they are not GOD.

Without GOD your new universe will be of utter darkness, the wiccan masonic goal. Note they agree the universe will be destroyed. This means they have to be somewhere ELSE in order to come back into the new universe they speak of, how insane is that?

Cant see what's eating you?

Those low life's that sacrifice babies to lucifer, Oh the audacity, bombing whatever they can in their search for the thousand years of peace that wont happen until they are all dead... oh, that's right, they already are. The corona virus is here for THEM, just like in war of the worlds. Nature fighting back.

Indigionous peoples all over the world being wiped out, while those charitable claim they are helping them, just as they always do before a stealth invasion, just pay attention, the protocols of zion clearly state they'll make us BEG for whatever it is they will make us BEG for. Of course the protocols are, wait for it, FAKE news... not...

Then there's the fact everyone on tv is specifically chosen due to siding with the desired responses... appearing seperate, but never devided in the past, until now. Now they have to maintain 2 meters distance... haha... wear your masks to hide the serpent smile, that comes with new muscles either side of chin, watch your business disappear, as well as your job. And your money. Oh by the way, watch the side effects of a vaccine that modifies your genetic structure, and does NOT prevent it spreading what so ever.

Bitcoin wont save you when the internet is turned off, will it? So many countries doing this now.

The upside down pentagon seen in almost all truely terrorist countries is upside down. How many cops get away with murder? Look at their badge, they're goin down. Received lots of charity? For example, look at the american flag, the star intentionally slightly off center, making the star appear downwards, just like the cop badges, you see, in their upside down world, to them, this is the right way up, just like in the movie dark tower, the keyholes are, well, upside down, and here's the kicker... you did know that the retina's of the eye's show normal people the right way up earth, but wiccan masons no longer see with the eye's of body, so their world is upside down, science has proved this.

Just listen to those firstborn sacrificers pretend they loved their child who was gunned down. Ask them, why are you crying, your deal is done, you killed your child in the most cowardley way... you sent someone else to do it the minute you did your deal, so stop crying, shut up, be happy, now your deal is done! It's over, go have another... with someone else of course. Have some money to give back to these beast's called brethren.

I mean c'mon again, look to america, vote for deplorable clinton, or trump, both in the same party promoting the exact same policies, by being in the same party, how more stupid can you get yankee theif? Now you got a drug dealer for president, ah, the upside down morality of it all, it's just so wrong... God not listening? As the wiccan masons say, your just as guilty of their crimes by doing nothing.


Oh look, here I am, a true child of the light, antagonist to the dark brothers (of wiccan masonic witchcraft) taken from the emerald tablets.

Dont like it? Are the four still alive? ah well...

Scientific proof of god? Are you denied all service's for not BELIEVING in THEIR god JaBoulOn?

Test the theory, I did.

God IS listening, but he has no time for those who do nothing to help THEMSELVES.

Go(o)d always wins.

^^^ There's no point in talking about the hydrogen atomic status of the sun, either. After all, the sun is electric - https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/.

But since most scientists keep on talking like the sun is nuclear, a few of us tell it like it is. Why not God consideration?

There's no point for this post, OP I understand we are all entitled to our opinions but we don't need any scientific evidence to prove a point if there's God or not.. it's crystal clear enough that there's a Good. Not just a Good but Almighty God. Our supreme Creator.  This is not acceptable to me..
Thank you.

The Bible starts out talking about God creating the heavens and the earth in the beginning. Moses probably wrote this between 1400 and 1500 BC, the start of the Bible. He wrote it according to God's instruction, but he had the info available from historical writings in Egypt, because he was a Hebrew who happened to be a top prince of Ancient Egypt for the first 40 years of his life.

The Old Testament of the Bible is a record of time back to the beginning. We have two witnesses to the timeline of the earth, listed in the Bible. These are the writings of Josephus from the first century AD, and the Septuagint O.T., originally from around 250 BC. Both were taken from the Hebrew of their days. Both are very similar in their timelines, the Septuagint being a translation of the Hebrew O.T. into Greek.

Why were the Ancient Hebrew people important? Because God took them from the nations of the world, and made them to be important, for His own purposes. They had to keep His words and laws. When they didn't, the Bible record shows how God became angry with them and punished them.

The reason they kept the writings of the Bible pure is because God promised that the Savior of the world would come to us all through them. However, God, Himself, directs the ways things are done, so that His Word is kept pure.

The latest original writings of books of the O.T. were done a little prior to 400 BC.


Part of the reason why there was a need for the Bible in the first place, was because the history record of the world was being corrupted. We can see this right now through modern theoretical science suggesting that the universe is billions of years old, and then through some willful people maintaining these wrong theoretical ideas as truth.

The Septuagint and Josephus both show that the Ancient Hebrew people understood the creation to have been done by God at a time that is only about 7,500 years in the past from our times. This record can be followed through the Bible, into the past, starting with the well-documented fall of Jerusalem to the Babylonians around 587 BC. It isn't easy to follow, but the info is there.

What is wrong with our science that suggests billions of years? Beyond about 5,000 years back, there is only assumption about how old things are. We can only date pottery back this far. There are flaws in carbon dating and other similar dating methods. There is controversy in the dates of the various ancient nations that are recorded in their timelines in their ancient writings on walls and clay tablets.

The Bible is a clear flowing, living record that goes back to Moses, and expresses the history of the world since the beginning, right down to times that we can follow until today. We don't have to believe the Bible record timeline. If we put down our desires to believe our theoretical science, we can see the Bible timeline facts.

Today's science is still far behind, it doesn't explain wisdom, love, conscience (what is in each of us, what we develop and what we strive for even if we do not know about it). We just need to combine modern science and faith (not religions, but faith - what is originally - love, conscience and any good).

I DO NOT believe that there's any scientific proof for God's existence! if there's some proof, it must not is scientific! maybe the one who carried that research believes God so firmly that he distorted the truth or there's some mistake or flaw in his research plan...
I believe in science and God is scientific in no circumstances.

I'll just focus on this one to save everyone a lot of unnecessary reading.


You claim that "every machine has a maker". In order to disprove that, I just need to provide a single example of a machine that doesn't support your claim. I don't need to prove the opposite.

The water cycle is such a machine. If you can't demonstrate the maker of the water cycle, then you can't say that every machine has a maker.

You might be able to get away with saying that most machines have makers, so a god might exist. But, you can't say that every machine has a maker, therefore a god exists.



And there may be countless number of machines that can't be shown to have makers, but you just haven't bothered to consider them. So, your attempted use of statistics here is flawed. It's like claiming that all M&Ms are green because you simply ignore the other colors.

The existence of the ether as described in the past was disproved. Why? It was incomplete, based on what modern factual science has discovered. Haramein is simply showing the new description of the aether that scientifically fits what exists.

That is an interesting take on God and religion. I agree that the bible is just wrong because it is not old enough. If there was God 2000 years ago, then there also was a God 4000 years ago and much earlier too. I would like to the foul proof evidence that God exists though.

So then you agree that your statement that complexity always produces less complexity is false.


You can't claim that every machine has a maker because you don't know that the water cycle has a maker.


That's just nonsense. What kind of solid is it? What properties does it have that make it a solid?


The existence of ether was disproved a long time ago.

1. That life could even come from the DNA pattern is way more complex than the life itself. Or haven't you looked at the complexity?

Crystals might appear to self-organize, but they simply operate by cause and effect, like everything else. Or do you have proof that they don't?

2. The water cycle is a machine. There are two categories of machines, those we know the maker of, and those we don't know the maker of. There never has been any machine made that didn't have a maker, or do you have proof of no maker rather than an unknown maker?

Space is an elastic solid of a different kind than the kind of solid that we normally consider as solid. This is common knowledge to any scientist who considers wave movement. As waves of the ocean need the ocean material to move as waves, or as sound needs a substance to move through in sound wave form, even so space is a substance that makes itself available to energy waves (electromagnetic waves) so that they can be propagated. Saying it this way is even simpler than Haramein explains it.

1. It is not proven that complexity always produces something of equal or less complexity. For example, crystals self-organize from gas or liquid. Also, the life that comes from DNA is much more complex than the DNA itself.

2. I agree that it was wrong to say that the water cycle has no maker, but it is equally wrong to say that the water cycle has a maker. And, since you don't know that the water cycle has a maker, you can't say that every machine has a maker. Your premise is flawed and so your proof is invalid.

Space is not an elastic solid made of moving vibrations. That is nonsense.

Nassim Haramein explains nothing. He speaks only in metaphors, and states nothing that is actually real. Nothing he says can be shown to be true or false because everything he says is a metaphor. It is useless nonsense.

The good is given by God by fully emmulating those aspects of the nature of God in the ways we have been blessed by them.  Count you blessings of God, then compare them to other gifts.  We are truly blessed.

1. It's proven in the high numbers of examples where complexity always produces something of equal or less complexity. You might suggest that there are a bunch of idiot people who produce offspring of the highest IQ order. However, the programming for such was already in their genes. In other words, high complexity produced low complexity with the ability to produce higher complexity than itself. But in general, there is no high complexity found that is higher than the complexity that preceded it. Such is part of entropy, which at its base, is reduction of complexity.

The idea of throwing a handful of sand into the air to produce complexity is a stupid idea. Rather, as the videos suggest, vibrations were cause to exist in the thing we call empty space, so that complexity was formed. Big Bang was a stab at trying to fathom something way too complex to fathom. Big Bang had no way to take the complexity of thought and all the fundamentals of the subconscious which uphold thought, into account... and a lot of other things, as well. Complexity alone suggests God. When it is combined with cause and effect and entropy, nothing could exist without God.

2. The water cycle has a maker because it is a machine. We simply don't clearly recognize who or where that maker is. Simply because we are too ignorant to find the maker, doesn't mean the cycle doesn't have a maker. Consider the Antikythera mechanism https://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2008/dec/11/antikythera-first-computer. Just because we don't know who made it, doesn't mean it popped into existence without a maker. In fact, we don't even know which nation it sprang from for sure. However, it uses the machines of nature in its design and operation. And it is made of the stuff of nature, a machine of machines. We don't know of any machine that factually exists without having had a maker.

3. Nobody can imagine mass production without ever producing more than one of the same thing. While that part of the points wasn't meant to prove God, it certainly shows us a strange method for making similar things in great number, with everything being different although similar. What could do this? the 3 major religions of the world say that there is one God, and that God is one. It seems He has left the idea of "oneness" throughout all of nature, simply to point to Himself as existing.

The things that Nassim Haramein says are foundational. It's not that he is simply telling bedtime stories or something. The things he explains are things of science, things that science has found, that seem to go against possibly the foundations of things that Einstein said. Einstein suggested that space is empty. But there are too many scientific observations that show that space is essentially an elastic solid, made of moving vibrations as Haramein said. That's why Einstein's theories are still theories after nearly a hundred years. There are too many things of science against them.

• 1. The crux of that argument is as stated by you:  "Whatever set cause and effect into place, to produce the complexity of life through essentially throwing a handful of sand into the air, must be extremely complex within itself."
  Of course, that is an assumption and something that you have not proven. It is generally called the First Mover argument and it is attributed to Thomas Aquinas. The problem is that there is nothing to support that argument, nor is there anything that shows that the "first mover" is a god (assuming you don't define the word "god" to strictly mean "first mover"). The obvious rebuttal is that the First Mover argument requires an exception in the case of the cause of the god.
• 2. Your premise false. Not all machines have makers. For example, the water cycle has all the characteristics of a machine, yet it has no maker. You can't counter that a god is the maker of the water cycle, because then you are begging the question --"God is the maker of the water cycle, therefore God exists."
  Anyway, the best argument you can make here is "Every machine with a maker has a maker, therefore there must be an ultimate maker", which immediately shows its flaws.
  Also, this is just another version of the First Mover argument, so everything in #1 also applies.
• 3. That's because you are twisting the meaning of "+". Either way, a philosophical statement like that has nothing to do with the existence of a god.

I think this guy is trying to be the successor to the charlatan Deepak Chopra. The video makes so many statements that mean nothing. It constantly twists the meanings of words in order to pretend to make a point.

There are two major scientific ways one can prove the existence of God. And there is a third that is almost unimaginable because we don't take it into consideration deeply.

1. When you combine entropy with cause-and-effect with complexity, and at the same time consider everything that we really know (not the theories), the answer is God, or nothing exists.

2. All of our machines come from the machines of the universe. To exist, our machines use parts of universe machines. Machines have makers... or do you have an example of a machine that doesn't have a maker.

3. 1 + 1 ≠ 2. Why not? Because there are no two things in the whole universe that are exactly the same. 1 + 1 always = 1 + 1.

So, what does any of that have to do with the existence of God? Think of intelligence and empathy... while you are watching the (two) video(s), below.


Nassim Haramein's Quantum Revolution: Science of a UNIFIED Universe


Nassim Haramein’s Quantum Revolution: Science of a UNIFIED Universe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMoqNAB2UW4


BONUS:
Nassim Haramein… If You Think that Space is EMPTY, Think Again!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcqP02NCUVk

True, perhaps, but lack of proof of the non-existence (or existence) of a god is not evidence of the existence (or non-existence) of a god.

Also, they are not the same. Compare:

Theist: God exists.
Atheist: What's your proof?
Theist: Bible, appeal to authority, flawed logic, etc.
Atheist: Not good enough.

Atheist: God does not exist.
Theist: What's your proof?
Atheist: Sorry, you're right. I can't prove it.
Theist: Aha!


Simply making a claim that something exists is not evidence of its existence. You'll have to do better. Plus, if a god exists but that's all, then what good is that?

God exists - there is evidence of it everywhere if you are religious or scientific.  God has no intelligence - god just is.  There is scientific proof the bible is wrong though.