No one can tell if really God exist. No one sees Him. But for me, God exist in the heart of each person that believes in Him. I really don't believe in what on the bible said, or the priest said, or anyone stories. I just believe that He's there watching us. As long as I exist, God exist in my heart and soul.
There is no God. When people create an excuse for myself that God exists in their hearts, minds or souls is an attempt to find a compromise with the mind that says that there is no God. This position is the first step to atheism.
Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 169. (Read 845582 times)
No one can tell if really God exist. No one sees Him. But for me, God exist in the heart of each person that believes in Him. I really don't believe in what on the bible said, or the priest said, or anyone stories. I just believe that He's there watching us. As long as I exist, God exist in my heart and soul.
There is no God. When people create an excuse for myself that God exists in their hearts, minds or souls is an attempt to find a compromise with the mind that says that there is no God. This position is the first step to atheism.
No one can tell if really God exist. No one sees Him. But for me, God exist in the heart of each person that believes in Him. I really don't believe in what on the bible said, or the priest said, or anyone stories. I just believe that He's there watching us. As long as I exist, God exist in my heart and soul.
Where is the evidence pointing to a God and not to something else?
The evidence is right in what you asked. There isn't anything else. So, all the evidence points to God.
Somebody might suggest that big bang is something else. But BB doesn't even scientifically define a method for intelligence in the universe. BB is out of the picture by its own design.
Do you have a "something else" that you can point at, that makes any sense at all?
We live in a simulated reality because we are programmed like the matrix, just as an easy example. Aliens that are very intelligent and capable of creating universes. And your argument is a logical fallacy because you are doing an argument from ignorance, oh what else could it be, so because you can't think of a better explanation it means it's God?
Well, thank you for the help
You just turned aliens into God. 
Explain how complexity shows god exists, don't just say it does. Where is your argument
With regard to the info in my links, above, explain how God doesn't exist. Don't just say He doesn't. Nobody has rebutted the scientific proof that God exists. But why don't you at least try?
I have done several times, it's even quoted by you here lol. ''The cause could be many things, claiming it was God it's like claiming it was aliens, no proof for any of them. '' Your links, if everything is true there, which might not be but for the sake of it we will say it is, only proves there is a beginning and a cause for the existence of the universe, it does not say anything about the cause itself. The cause can be many different things and you can only speculate what it is.
You miss the point. The point is that no matter who or what started cause and effect, it is God.
The fact of the "kind of" complexity that cause and effect produces, shows not only that it was absolutely God Who started it, but that God is way beyond the imagination of mankind in the wisdom, knowledge, power, and glory that He has and is.
Well then we are back to the problem. You said the bible is true, therefore only the god from the bible could be the one who started cause and effect. It can't be anything. It can't be Zeus or aliens. Do you not understand your failed logic here?
You are mixing yourself all up. Focus on the links, and you will prove God to yourself:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.
You love loops, don't you? As I said, even if everything there is accurate, the only thing you are proving is that something created the universe. However you don't know what that something is and you are just assuming is the god from the bible because you believe in him.
I looked through your little post here. There isn't even any attempted rebuttal of science. You simply jump into religion.
Come on. Surely you can find a rebuttal to cause and effect, entropy or complexity... or their combined application in science. I mean, since you are so against science, and in favor of religion, that should be an easy thing for you to do, right?
What? No rebuttal? Awe, that's too bad. Gonna miss you in Heaven, though. But only for a tiny moment.
Are you autistic? Cause and effect, entropy and complexity do not prove or show who or what created the universe.
These scientific truths show that it was definitely God that did the creating, even though they don't explain what God really is.
Where is the evidence pointing to a God and not to something else?
The evidence is right in what you asked. There isn't anything else. So, all the evidence points to God.
Somebody might suggest that big bang is something else. But BB doesn't even scientifically define a method for intelligence in the universe. BB is out of the picture by its own design.
Do you have a "something else" that you can point at, that makes any sense at all?
Badecker has done and said many shit while I was gone, but most of it was the same loop of Badecker where he always goes back to the links after a fail. We've seen a very good question from Astargath regarding how complexity works combined with cause and effect and how does that lead to God and of course he never got an answer, Badecker went around the question and somehow got to religion only to accuse Astargath later of talking religion and to change the subject. We already knew Badecker knows nothing about physics, biology, cosmology, etc so nothing new in the fact he can't really answer how the laws presented in his links 'work'.
However, there is something he hasn't done until now, not in this way: admit he is an apologist. The apologist went full retard again and actually admitted to being an apologist by saying he believes God created the universe because there isn't anything else, to be more specific, because he has no answer to what was the cause of the universe so he just believed in God because he learned about it since he was a baby. That is what an apologist is. What is even funnier is that by admitting that, he denied his whole 'scientific' theory and even his God again, only with the superficiality of the mindset. While believers are tolerated and understood because they need something, they feel they can believe in something great, in something that they call beautiful, apologists are simple idiots who can't admit that they don't know the answer to a question, so they just rule out the question by answering with 'God'. That makes the whole God thing even more superficial and pitiful than it already is nowadays, since that is how religions appeared in the first place, because the lack of knowledge. Now we have the knowledge, but some retards still answer scientific questions with 'God'. One of these retards is right here, and we have 77 more episodes to prove what an idiot he is. Applause for our retarded apologist Badecker for coming out of the closet and stay tuned folks, I ain't going anywhere.
Actually you took this out of context, horace. Skeptics use often use a double standard, that is their fallacy:
https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/skeptical_misdirection#skeptical_misdirection_double_standard
The other common tactic is known as Misrepresenting The Scientific Evidence.
I took what out of what context? Speak to me, explain, come up with arguments, enough with the links already. If you are not able to speak to me and you always need to give me links with what others think that us 'skeptics' are wrong about, then you do not understand anything of it. More than that, I can't understand what you are talking about because you solely posted a link. If you want to answer to what I have said, talk about that, you have it there, you can analyze it and tell me what do you believe is wrong and why. In that way, we can have a proper conversation. Otherwise it will be the same as it is with Badecker, everyone trying to have a conversation and a monkey saying anything that crosses his mind. Let's keep this simple and efficient. https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/skeptical_misdirection#skeptical_misdirection_double_standard
The other common tactic is known as Misrepresenting The Scientific Evidence.
Psychics and telekinesis were tested by the CIA and other spy agencies and on camera by psychologists.
I have posted a lot of other extraordinary evidence, yet skeptics insist there is no reliable evidence. Why keep up the charade? Skeptics should just come out and say what is so unreliable about the tests done to prove telekinesis.
Sources:
On-Camera test: http://eegym.com/can-eeg-tell-if-telekinesis-is-a-magicians-trick-2/
Test by the United States CIA: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/66xy95/zhang_baosheng_confirmed_cia_psychic_ability_to/
Skeptics in this thread consistently ignore the evidence I posted and it demonstrates that they are not here to learn, instead they like to argue and pat themselves on the back.
does someone really need a scientific explanation before believing?
Explain how complexity shows god exists, don't just say it does. Where is your argument
With regard to the info in my links, above, explain how God doesn't exist. Don't just say He doesn't. Nobody has rebutted the scientific proof that God exists. But why don't you at least try?
I have done several times, it's even quoted by you here lol. ''The cause could be many things, claiming it was God it's like claiming it was aliens, no proof for any of them. '' Your links, if everything is true there, which might not be but for the sake of it we will say it is, only proves there is a beginning and a cause for the existence of the universe, it does not say anything about the cause itself. The cause can be many different things and you can only speculate what it is.
You miss the point. The point is that no matter who or what started cause and effect, it is God.
The fact of the "kind of" complexity that cause and effect produces, shows not only that it was absolutely God Who started it, but that God is way beyond the imagination of mankind in the wisdom, knowledge, power, and glory that He has and is.
Well then we are back to the problem. You said the bible is true, therefore only the god from the bible could be the one who started cause and effect. It can't be anything. It can't be Zeus or aliens. Do you not understand your failed logic here?
You are mixing yourself all up. Focus on the links, and you will prove God to yourself:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.
You love loops, don't you? As I said, even if everything there is accurate, the only thing you are proving is that something created the universe. However you don't know what that something is and you are just assuming is the god from the bible because you believe in him.
I looked through your little post here. There isn't even any attempted rebuttal of science. You simply jump into religion.
Come on. Surely you can find a rebuttal to cause and effect, entropy or complexity... or their combined application in science. I mean, since you are so against science, and in favor of religion, that should be an easy thing for you to do, right?
What? No rebuttal? Awe, that's too bad. Gonna miss you in Heaven, though. But only for a tiny moment.
Are you autistic? Cause and effect, entropy and complexity do not prove or show who or what created the universe.
These scientific truths show that it was definitely God that did the creating, even though they don't explain what God really is.
Where is the evidence pointing to a God and not to something else?
The evidence is right in what you asked. There isn't anything else. So, all the evidence points to God.
Somebody might suggest that big bang is something else. But BB doesn't even scientifically define a method for intelligence in the universe. BB is out of the picture by its own design.
Do you have a "something else" that you can point at, that makes any sense at all?
We live in a simulated reality because we are programmed like the matrix, just as an easy example. Aliens that are very intelligent and capable of creating universes. And your argument is a logical fallacy because you are doing an argument from ignorance, oh what else could it be, so because you can't think of a better explanation it means it's God?
Explain how complexity shows god exists, don't just say it does. Where is your argument
With regard to the info in my links, above, explain how God doesn't exist. Don't just say He doesn't. Nobody has rebutted the scientific proof that God exists. But why don't you at least try?
I have done several times, it's even quoted by you here lol. ''The cause could be many things, claiming it was God it's like claiming it was aliens, no proof for any of them. '' Your links, if everything is true there, which might not be but for the sake of it we will say it is, only proves there is a beginning and a cause for the existence of the universe, it does not say anything about the cause itself. The cause can be many different things and you can only speculate what it is.
You miss the point. The point is that no matter who or what started cause and effect, it is God.
The fact of the "kind of" complexity that cause and effect produces, shows not only that it was absolutely God Who started it, but that God is way beyond the imagination of mankind in the wisdom, knowledge, power, and glory that He has and is.
Well then we are back to the problem. You said the bible is true, therefore only the god from the bible could be the one who started cause and effect. It can't be anything. It can't be Zeus or aliens. Do you not understand your failed logic here?
You are mixing yourself all up. Focus on the links, and you will prove God to yourself:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.
You love loops, don't you? As I said, even if everything there is accurate, the only thing you are proving is that something created the universe. However you don't know what that something is and you are just assuming is the god from the bible because you believe in him.
I looked through your little post here. There isn't even any attempted rebuttal of science. You simply jump into religion.
Come on. Surely you can find a rebuttal to cause and effect, entropy or complexity... or their combined application in science. I mean, since you are so against science, and in favor of religion, that should be an easy thing for you to do, right?
What? No rebuttal? Awe, that's too bad. Gonna miss you in Heaven, though. But only for a tiny moment.
Are you autistic? Cause and effect, entropy and complexity do not prove or show who or what created the universe.
These scientific truths show that it was definitely God that did the creating, even though they don't explain what God really is.
Where is the evidence pointing to a God and not to something else?
The evidence is right in what you asked. There isn't anything else. So, all the evidence points to God.
Somebody might suggest that big bang is something else. But BB doesn't even scientifically define a method for intelligence in the universe. BB is out of the picture by its own design.
Do you have a "something else" that you can point at, that makes any sense at all?
I really doubt there is any scientific proof to describe god existence.
Who need proofs about unicorn or flying spaghetti monster?
So true.
That's why its called a religion. That's why there are many religions. That's why there was mythology.
It's just a matter of believing, not proof-concept of existence.
This is perfect!!!
Explain how complexity shows god exists, don't just say it does. Where is your argument
With regard to the info in my links, above, explain how God doesn't exist. Don't just say He doesn't. Nobody has rebutted the scientific proof that God exists. But why don't you at least try?
I have done several times, it's even quoted by you here lol. ''The cause could be many things, claiming it was God it's like claiming it was aliens, no proof for any of them. '' Your links, if everything is true there, which might not be but for the sake of it we will say it is, only proves there is a beginning and a cause for the existence of the universe, it does not say anything about the cause itself. The cause can be many different things and you can only speculate what it is.
You miss the point. The point is that no matter who or what started cause and effect, it is God.
The fact of the "kind of" complexity that cause and effect produces, shows not only that it was absolutely God Who started it, but that God is way beyond the imagination of mankind in the wisdom, knowledge, power, and glory that He has and is.
Well then we are back to the problem. You said the bible is true, therefore only the god from the bible could be the one who started cause and effect. It can't be anything. It can't be Zeus or aliens. Do you not understand your failed logic here?
You are mixing yourself all up. Focus on the links, and you will prove God to yourself:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.
You love loops, don't you? As I said, even if everything there is accurate, the only thing you are proving is that something created the universe. However you don't know what that something is and you are just assuming is the god from the bible because you believe in him.
I looked through your little post here. There isn't even any attempted rebuttal of science. You simply jump into religion.
Come on. Surely you can find a rebuttal to cause and effect, entropy or complexity... or their combined application in science. I mean, since you are so against science, and in favor of religion, that should be an easy thing for you to do, right?
What? No rebuttal? Awe, that's too bad. Gonna miss you in Heaven, though. But only for a tiny moment.
Are you autistic? Cause and effect, entropy and complexity do not prove or show who or what created the universe.
These scientific truths show that it was definitely God that did the creating, even though they don't explain what God really is.
Where is the evidence pointing to a God and not to something else?
Explain how complexity shows god exists, don't just say it does. Where is your argument
With regard to the info in my links, above, explain how God doesn't exist. Don't just say He doesn't. Nobody has rebutted the scientific proof that God exists. But why don't you at least try?
I have done several times, it's even quoted by you here lol. ''The cause could be many things, claiming it was God it's like claiming it was aliens, no proof for any of them. '' Your links, if everything is true there, which might not be but for the sake of it we will say it is, only proves there is a beginning and a cause for the existence of the universe, it does not say anything about the cause itself. The cause can be many different things and you can only speculate what it is.
You miss the point. The point is that no matter who or what started cause and effect, it is God.
The fact of the "kind of" complexity that cause and effect produces, shows not only that it was absolutely God Who started it, but that God is way beyond the imagination of mankind in the wisdom, knowledge, power, and glory that He has and is.
Well then we are back to the problem. You said the bible is true, therefore only the god from the bible could be the one who started cause and effect. It can't be anything. It can't be Zeus or aliens. Do you not understand your failed logic here?
You are mixing yourself all up. Focus on the links, and you will prove God to yourself:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.
You love loops, don't you? As I said, even if everything there is accurate, the only thing you are proving is that something created the universe. However you don't know what that something is and you are just assuming is the god from the bible because you believe in him.
I looked through your little post here. There isn't even any attempted rebuttal of science. You simply jump into religion.
Come on. Surely you can find a rebuttal to cause and effect, entropy or complexity... or their combined application in science. I mean, since you are so against science, and in favor of religion, that should be an easy thing for you to do, right?
What? No rebuttal? Awe, that's too bad. Gonna miss you in Heaven, though. But only for a tiny moment.
Are you autistic? Cause and effect, entropy and complexity do not prove or show who or what created the universe.
These scientific truths show that it was definitely God that did the creating, even though they don't explain what God really is.
Explain how complexity shows god exists, don't just say it does. Where is your argument
With regard to the info in my links, above, explain how God doesn't exist. Don't just say He doesn't. Nobody has rebutted the scientific proof that God exists. But why don't you at least try?
I have done several times, it's even quoted by you here lol. ''The cause could be many things, claiming it was God it's like claiming it was aliens, no proof for any of them. '' Your links, if everything is true there, which might not be but for the sake of it we will say it is, only proves there is a beginning and a cause for the existence of the universe, it does not say anything about the cause itself. The cause can be many different things and you can only speculate what it is.
You miss the point. The point is that no matter who or what started cause and effect, it is God.
The fact of the "kind of" complexity that cause and effect produces, shows not only that it was absolutely God Who started it, but that God is way beyond the imagination of mankind in the wisdom, knowledge, power, and glory that He has and is.
Well then we are back to the problem. You said the bible is true, therefore only the god from the bible could be the one who started cause and effect. It can't be anything. It can't be Zeus or aliens. Do you not understand your failed logic here?
You are mixing yourself all up. Focus on the links, and you will prove God to yourself:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.
You love loops, don't you? As I said, even if everything there is accurate, the only thing you are proving is that something created the universe. However you don't know what that something is and you are just assuming is the god from the bible because you believe in him.
I looked through your little post here. There isn't even any attempted rebuttal of science. You simply jump into religion.
Come on. Surely you can find a rebuttal to cause and effect, entropy or complexity... or their combined application in science. I mean, since you are so against science, and in favor of religion, that should be an easy thing for you to do, right?
What? No rebuttal? Awe, that's too bad. Gonna miss you in Heaven, though. But only for a tiny moment.
Are you autistic? Cause and effect, entropy and complexity do not prove or show who or what created the universe.
Explain how complexity shows god exists, don't just say it does. Where is your argument
With regard to the info in my links, above, explain how God doesn't exist. Don't just say He doesn't. Nobody has rebutted the scientific proof that God exists. But why don't you at least try?
I have done several times, it's even quoted by you here lol. ''The cause could be many things, claiming it was God it's like claiming it was aliens, no proof for any of them. '' Your links, if everything is true there, which might not be but for the sake of it we will say it is, only proves there is a beginning and a cause for the existence of the universe, it does not say anything about the cause itself. The cause can be many different things and you can only speculate what it is.
You miss the point. The point is that no matter who or what started cause and effect, it is God.
The fact of the "kind of" complexity that cause and effect produces, shows not only that it was absolutely God Who started it, but that God is way beyond the imagination of mankind in the wisdom, knowledge, power, and glory that He has and is.
Well then we are back to the problem. You said the bible is true, therefore only the god from the bible could be the one who started cause and effect. It can't be anything. It can't be Zeus or aliens. Do you not understand your failed logic here?
You are mixing yourself all up. Focus on the links, and you will prove God to yourself:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.
You love loops, don't you? As I said, even if everything there is accurate, the only thing you are proving is that something created the universe. However you don't know what that something is and you are just assuming is the god from the bible because you believe in him.
I looked through your little post here. There isn't even any attempted rebuttal of science. You simply jump into religion.
Come on. Surely you can find a rebuttal to cause and effect, entropy or complexity... or their combined application in science. I mean, since you are so against science, and in favor of religion, that should be an easy thing for you to do, right?
What? No rebuttal? Awe, that's too bad. Gonna miss you in Heaven, though. But only for a tiny moment.
Explain how complexity shows god exists, don't just say it does. Where is your argument
With regard to the info in my links, above, explain how God doesn't exist. Don't just say He doesn't. Nobody has rebutted the scientific proof that God exists. But why don't you at least try?
I have done several times, it's even quoted by you here lol. ''The cause could be many things, claiming it was God it's like claiming it was aliens, no proof for any of them. '' Your links, if everything is true there, which might not be but for the sake of it we will say it is, only proves there is a beginning and a cause for the existence of the universe, it does not say anything about the cause itself. The cause can be many different things and you can only speculate what it is.
You miss the point. The point is that no matter who or what started cause and effect, it is God.
The fact of the "kind of" complexity that cause and effect produces, shows not only that it was absolutely God Who started it, but that God is way beyond the imagination of mankind in the wisdom, knowledge, power, and glory that He has and is.
Well then we are back to the problem. You said the bible is true, therefore only the god from the bible could be the one who started cause and effect. It can't be anything. It can't be Zeus or aliens. Do you not understand your failed logic here?
You are mixing yourself all up. Focus on the links, and you will prove God to yourself:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.
You love loops, don't you? As I said, even if everything there is accurate, the only thing you are proving is that something created the universe. However you don't know what that something is and you are just assuming is the god from the bible because you believe in him.
Explain how complexity shows god exists, don't just say it does. Where is your argument
With regard to the info in my links, above, explain how God doesn't exist. Don't just say He doesn't. Nobody has rebutted the scientific proof that God exists. But why don't you at least try?
I have done several times, it's even quoted by you here lol. ''The cause could be many things, claiming it was God it's like claiming it was aliens, no proof for any of them. '' Your links, if everything is true there, which might not be but for the sake of it we will say it is, only proves there is a beginning and a cause for the existence of the universe, it does not say anything about the cause itself. The cause can be many different things and you can only speculate what it is.
You miss the point. The point is that no matter who or what started cause and effect, it is God.
The fact of the "kind of" complexity that cause and effect produces, shows not only that it was absolutely God Who started it, but that God is way beyond the imagination of mankind in the wisdom, knowledge, power, and glory that He has and is.
Well then we are back to the problem. You said the bible is true, therefore only the god from the bible could be the one who started cause and effect. It can't be anything. It can't be Zeus or aliens. Do you not understand your failed logic here?
You are mixing yourself all up. Focus on the links, and you will prove God to yourself:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.
Explain how complexity shows god exists, don't just say it does. Where is your argument
With regard to the info in my links, above, explain how God doesn't exist. Don't just say He doesn't. Nobody has rebutted the scientific proof that God exists. But why don't you at least try?
I have done several times, it's even quoted by you here lol. ''The cause could be many things, claiming it was God it's like claiming it was aliens, no proof for any of them. '' Your links, if everything is true there, which might not be but for the sake of it we will say it is, only proves there is a beginning and a cause for the existence of the universe, it does not say anything about the cause itself. The cause can be many different things and you can only speculate what it is.
You miss the point. The point is that no matter who or what started cause and effect, it is God.
The fact of the "kind of" complexity that cause and effect produces, shows not only that it was absolutely God Who started it, but that God is way beyond the imagination of mankind in the wisdom, knowledge, power, and glory that He has and is.
Well then we are back to the problem. You said the bible is true, therefore only the god from the bible could be the one who started cause and effect. It can't be anything. It can't be Zeus or aliens. Do you not understand your failed logic here?
Explain how complexity shows god exists, don't just say it does. Where is your argument
With regard to the info in my links, above, explain how God doesn't exist. Don't just say He doesn't. Nobody has rebutted the scientific proof that God exists. But why don't you at least try?
I have done several times, it's even quoted by you here lol. ''The cause could be many things, claiming it was God it's like claiming it was aliens, no proof for any of them. '' Your links, if everything is true there, which might not be but for the sake of it we will say it is, only proves there is a beginning and a cause for the existence of the universe, it does not say anything about the cause itself. The cause can be many different things and you can only speculate what it is.
You miss the point. The point is that no matter who or what started cause and effect, it is God.
The fact of the "kind of" complexity that cause and effect produces, shows not only that it was absolutely God Who started it, but that God is way beyond the imagination of mankind in the wisdom, knowledge, power, and glory that He has and is.
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You haven't explained this tho ''If the bible is a fact then God can't be Zeus or any of the other things you said so your logic is a bit confusing here. You claim that God is anything that created the universe but at the same time God is the God from the bible??''
Now that you understand that God created the universe, you also understand that He exists. Just because I haven't explained something to you, doesn't necessarily mean I haven't explained it. However, thank you for looking to me as an authority.
I was just wondering. When you claim that I claimed something, are you trying to refresh my memory? Or are you making a false claim? Are you trying to deceive yourself into believing something?
You are a person, right? You have an identity. You are you, right? The things that you do and say in life might affect others, but they mostly affect you.
Now that you understand that God exists, seek Him. Contact him with your mind and identity. He is open to answering your questions. But ask Him with a sincere heart rather than trying to deceive, like you constantly try to deceive yourself into thinking that you can deceive other people. Since God rules through cause and effect, He understands all your deception.
Contact Him through prayer, for real. He is listening for you.
''2. If cause and effect were put into place by Zeus, then Zeus is God;'' ''If the bible is a fact then God can't be Zeus or any of the other things you said so your logic is a bit confusing here. You claim that God is anything that created the universe but at the same time God is the God from the bible??''
But this thread is about scientific proof for the existence of God. Are you suggesting that science has proof for the existence of Zeus as well?
So you have no answer to my question and you keep ignoring it? You claimed that if cause and effect were put in place by Zeus, then zeus is god. If that was the case then you can't say the bible is true, it's simple logic that you obviously are ignoring because I made you look bad again rofl
Give it up. You know as well as I do, that if Zeus set cause and effect in place, that all the information we have about Zeus is extremely limited, or completely wrong. Why? Because the Bible is right. But, this being a science topic, science proves God exists:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.
First of all, you don't know whether the bible is right or wrong. If the bible were right then none of the other possible causes for the existence of the universe would be possible because only the God from the bible had to be the creator, therefore your scientific proof is gone and now relies on the bible being right or not.
Show the place where cause and effect combined with entropy combined with complexity relies on the Bible.
You keep trying to bring religion into this science thread.
Even the fact that machines have makers, and the Machine Maker of the universe is God, doesn't have anything to do with the Bible.
It's the other way around. God exists, and the Bible exists because He made it through cause and effect.
Since you said God is anything that created the universe, it makes no sense to say that God is the God from the bible because the god from the bible is clearly not Zeus or The big bang which is just a process, not a God.
And from that we are back to the beginning where you can't prove what the first cause really is.
You seem to neglect the fact that I had the little word "if" in there. Since you neglect it intentionally, you are opposing me rather than the fact that God exists. Since you are opposing me, you essentially have admitted that you know that God exists.
And that's the problem, you don't know what created the universe, it could be your god from the bible or it could be something totally different therefore your proof is meaningless.
Well, no. I know from science and other things that God created the universe.
What is an Astargath? It seemeth to be something that posteth in the forum. What is it actually? Don't really know. It seemeth quite intelligent, however. And certainly, it does exist. After all, there are all these posts that it posteth.
But what is an Astargath made out of. Nobody really knows. Nobody has seen it. But the evidence that it exists is overwhelming. Of course, it could delete all its posts. Then it would be difficult to tell if it existed. But Theymos probably has backups.
No you don't. You only proved that the universe had a cause or a beginning but you haven't proved that God is the cause. The cause could be many things, claiming it was God it's like claiming it was aliens, no proof for any of them.
That's what complexity does. The way complexity works in an entropy universe shows that God exists. The fact of cause and effect working the way it does, shows God through the ultra high - beyond conceivable understanding - complexity in cause and effect alone, to say nothing about the intelligence of the mind of man produced thereby.
Of course, even the lower intelligence of you and other people who won't accept the science that proves God, is still proof in itself that God exists.
Explain how complexity shows god exists, don't just say it does. Where is your argument
With regard to the info in my links, above, explain how God doesn't exist. Don't just say He doesn't. Nobody has rebutted the scientific proof that God exists. But why don't you at least try?
I have done several times, it's even quoted by you here lol. ''The cause could be many things, claiming it was God it's like claiming it was aliens, no proof for any of them. '' Your links, if everything is true there, which might not be but for the sake of it we will say it is, only proves there is a beginning and a cause for the existence of the universe, it does not say anything about the cause itself. The cause can be many different things and you can only speculate what it is.
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You haven't explained this tho ''If the bible is a fact then God can't be Zeus or any of the other things you said so your logic is a bit confusing here. You claim that God is anything that created the universe but at the same time God is the God from the bible??''
Now that you understand that God created the universe, you also understand that He exists. Just because I haven't explained something to you, doesn't necessarily mean I haven't explained it. However, thank you for looking to me as an authority.
I was just wondering. When you claim that I claimed something, are you trying to refresh my memory? Or are you making a false claim? Are you trying to deceive yourself into believing something?
You are a person, right? You have an identity. You are you, right? The things that you do and say in life might affect others, but they mostly affect you.
Now that you understand that God exists, seek Him. Contact him with your mind and identity. He is open to answering your questions. But ask Him with a sincere heart rather than trying to deceive, like you constantly try to deceive yourself into thinking that you can deceive other people. Since God rules through cause and effect, He understands all your deception.
Contact Him through prayer, for real. He is listening for you.
''2. If cause and effect were put into place by Zeus, then Zeus is God;'' ''If the bible is a fact then God can't be Zeus or any of the other things you said so your logic is a bit confusing here. You claim that God is anything that created the universe but at the same time God is the God from the bible??''
But this thread is about scientific proof for the existence of God. Are you suggesting that science has proof for the existence of Zeus as well?
So you have no answer to my question and you keep ignoring it? You claimed that if cause and effect were put in place by Zeus, then zeus is god. If that was the case then you can't say the bible is true, it's simple logic that you obviously are ignoring because I made you look bad again rofl
Give it up. You know as well as I do, that if Zeus set cause and effect in place, that all the information we have about Zeus is extremely limited, or completely wrong. Why? Because the Bible is right. But, this being a science topic, science proves God exists:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.
First of all, you don't know whether the bible is right or wrong. If the bible were right then none of the other possible causes for the existence of the universe would be possible because only the God from the bible had to be the creator, therefore your scientific proof is gone and now relies on the bible being right or not.
Show the place where cause and effect combined with entropy combined with complexity relies on the Bible.
You keep trying to bring religion into this science thread.
Even the fact that machines have makers, and the Machine Maker of the universe is God, doesn't have anything to do with the Bible.
It's the other way around. God exists, and the Bible exists because He made it through cause and effect.
Since you said God is anything that created the universe, it makes no sense to say that God is the God from the bible because the god from the bible is clearly not Zeus or The big bang which is just a process, not a God.
And from that we are back to the beginning where you can't prove what the first cause really is.
You seem to neglect the fact that I had the little word "if" in there. Since you neglect it intentionally, you are opposing me rather than the fact that God exists. Since you are opposing me, you essentially have admitted that you know that God exists.
And that's the problem, you don't know what created the universe, it could be your god from the bible or it could be something totally different therefore your proof is meaningless.
Well, no. I know from science and other things that God created the universe.
What is an Astargath? It seemeth to be something that posteth in the forum. What is it actually? Don't really know. It seemeth quite intelligent, however. And certainly, it does exist. After all, there are all these posts that it posteth.
But what is an Astargath made out of. Nobody really knows. Nobody has seen it. But the evidence that it exists is overwhelming. Of course, it could delete all its posts. Then it would be difficult to tell if it existed. But Theymos probably has backups.
No you don't. You only proved that the universe had a cause or a beginning but you haven't proved that God is the cause. The cause could be many things, claiming it was God it's like claiming it was aliens, no proof for any of them.
That's what complexity does. The way complexity works in an entropy universe shows that God exists. The fact of cause and effect working the way it does, shows God through the ultra high - beyond conceivable understanding - complexity in cause and effect alone, to say nothing about the intelligence of the mind of man produced thereby.
Of course, even the lower intelligence of you and other people who won't accept the science that proves God, is still proof in itself that God exists.
Explain how complexity shows god exists, don't just say it does. Where is your argument
With regard to the info in my links, above, explain how God doesn't exist. Don't just say He doesn't. Nobody has rebutted the scientific proof that God exists. But why don't you at least try?
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