The existence of the universe is a proof of the existence of our god and our life that we live is not sebagaimn we expect also adlh evidence of the intervention of the will of god which we can not deny
And this is the reason why it becomes much easier for us to find scientific proof of God. We already know through the existence of the universe that He exists. Now all we need to do is find the proof:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.
Debunked by yourself: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19455088
And debunked by me: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19350390
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19357376
Also: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19355289
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19666684
Actually, my links don't have anything to do with debunking the scientific proof that God exists. You simply say they do.
And your links don't debunk the scientific proof that God exists. You simply shove into them a bunch of things, written by others, that you can't explain, yourself.
If you want to debunk the scientific proof that God exists, find a point in the proof, explain your debunking point in simple language, and let's take it from there. The scientific proof, again, is:
1. cause and effect, combined with;
2. entropy, combined with;
3. complexity;
and the explanation is found here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.
Certainly if you need more info, you can research beyond the links.
You don't know if everything has a cause, you just simply say that's the case but as I said several times there are physicists that would claim that radioactivity decay doesn't have a cause. Now even if we agree that everything has a cause, the argument of cause and effect stops there. You established that everything has a cause. Now to jump from that conclusion to the conclusion that God did it, it's a leap of faith and you have nothing to back up that claim, sure the universe is complex but that still doesn't prove God made it.
Cause and effect act in everything that we see, understand. Arguments against it haven't been substantiated.
The links attempt to show you that no matter what the source of cause and effect is, it is God. Let me state several very goofy things to show you what I mean:
1. If cause and effect were put into place by a certain microbe, then that certain microbe is God;
2. If cause and effect were put into place by Zeus, then Zeus is God;
3. If cause and effect were put into place by a salamander, then the salamander is God;
4. If cause and effect were put into place by big bang, then big bang is God;
5. Whatever put cause and effect into place, that "thing" is God.
Get the idea? We don't know what it is that set up cause and effect to work way it works. But whatever did it, it is God. We see this by the ultra-complex way that cause and effect act. Entropy shows us that there was a beginning, so that we can't say that everything always acted this way for no reason we can put our finger on.
My links explain this. But you are having so much trouble forcing yourself to understand the stuff in the links because you don't want to, that I see that I have to force you to understand it. The only way that you can NOT understand is to be gone from this and similar threads.
The problem with that is that the big bang is not something alive therefore you can't call it god, it is not something that is sentient or aware, it's just a process and the same thing happens with many other possibilities.
That's a problem for big bang. Big bang math doesn't account for the complexities of the universe, especially life, human intelligence, the human brain, the emotion, the spirit and soul. Since it doesn't account for these things, it is incomplete with regard to reality. BB might be complete regarding itself. But it isn't the way things work in reality.
Thank you for pointing out that BB as it theoretically stands can't be God. But if it happened to be the source of cause and effect - cause and effect which produces life, human intelligence, the human brain, the emotion, the spirit and soul, and everything else as well - then it would be God.
No, it wouldn't. God is supposed to be the creator. The big bang is just a process, it's like calling a tsunami, God. God is supposed to be sentient and aware, not just a process or stardust as you say. Otherwise I don't know what your definition of God is, since you never really explained it.
