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June 10, 2015, 03:57:51 AM
Would God be a God if he needs scinetific proof?
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June 10, 2015, 01:40:47 AM
The words written in the Bible are worth just about anything that was ever written about Norse Mythology. Maybe Odin is your "god".

I thought the thread was supposed to be about scientific evidence that "god" exists; then why are you quoting the Bible?
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scientific - based on or characterized by the methods and principles of science.

These threads often drift away from their original subject, however we should at least try to prevent that.
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June 08, 2015, 10:14:32 PM
Sorry, I'm not really into debating the hidden meanings of presocratic philosophy.


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𝑎² + 𝑏² = 𝑐²

(I can see why.)
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June 08, 2015, 10:12:11 PM
Even priests don't think it means what you do.

Elucidate the significance of this. (I.e., Democritus was an atomist. Am I, therefore, to be an atomist as well?)

Sorry, I'm not really into debating the hidden meanings of presocratic philosophy.
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June 08, 2015, 10:06:40 PM
Even priests don't think it means what you do.

Elucidate the significance of this. (I.e., Democritus was an atomist. Am I, therefore, to be an atomist as well?)
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June 08, 2015, 10:05:14 PM
I noticed you used translations that were favorable to your point. You need to take a theology class as an elective. That's not what those passages mean at all. There are far too many ways to interpret the bible and way too many translations.

0. If you do not trust the Darby Translation, refer to an interlinear translation of the Christian Bible that you can trust.

1. Thanks for telling me, Jesus.  Roll Eyes

Even priests don't think it means what you do.
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June 08, 2015, 09:54:08 PM
I noticed you used translations that were favorable to your point. You need to take a theology class as an elective. That's not what those passages mean at all. There are far too many ways to interpret the bible and way too many translations.

0. If you cannot trust the Darby Translation, refer to an interlinear translation of the Christian Bible that you can trust.

1. Thanks for telling me, Jesus.  Roll Eyes
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June 08, 2015, 09:44:34 PM
I noticed you used translations that were favorable to your point. You need to take a theology class as an elective. That's not what those passages mean at all. There are far too many ways to interpret the bible and way too many translations.

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Before we seek to consider some specific issues regarding the application of Paul’s teaching in 1 Corinthians 11:1-16, let us first sum up what Paul has taught. To sum up verses 1-16, Paul is instructing women to cover their heads in order to demonstrate to the angels and celestial powers their submission to God’s appointed authority. Paul does not present head coverings as a matter of his opinion, but as an apostolic tradition. He does not describe this as a matter of Christian liberty, or as a personal conviction, but as a matter of obedience. (“Let her cover her head” in verse 6 is an imperative, buttressed by the “ought” of verse 10.) Paul mentions no other alternative symbol nor does he imply there may be some other way to symbolize submission to male headship. He also speaks of the head covering of women as the consistent practice of every church and not just that of the Corinthian church. Anyone who would wish to debate with Paul over his teaching in these verses seeks to reject a tradition held and practiced in every church.

Nothing is clearer in verses 3-9 than that Paul wants the woman to wear a head covering because such adornment appropriately distinguishes women from men. Indeed, the focus on male headship over women in verse 3 shows that Paul wants women to wear a head covering in order to show that they are submissive to male headship.154

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Question: "What does it mean that there is only one baptism (Ephesians 4:5)?"

Answer: Ephesians 4:4-6 says, "There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all." Since there are different "baptisms" referred to in the New Testament, it can be a bit confusing when we read about "one baptism." The word baptize always means “to submerge or immerse.” So, when baptism is discussed, it involves a person being totally submerged into something else. Baptism implies being "all in." It also implies that a change has taken place. Baptized people are changed people.

Generally speaking, there are two types of baptism: a physical (water) baptism and a spiritual baptism. One is literal, done in water; the other is figurative, accomplished in the Spirit.
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June 08, 2015, 09:04:35 PM
You pull some really interesting quotes, but it would be nice (at least for me) if you explained your reasons for referencing them in some detail.

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∀𝑥∀𝑦∀𝑧 [( 𝑥 = 𝑧 ) ∧ ( 𝑦 ≠ 𝑧 )]  ⇒  ( 𝑥 ≠ 𝑦 )
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June 08, 2015, 08:56:44 PM
Using the following definition of God:

God ≔ Everything that exists.

Since obviously “Everything that exists” exists,

therefore God exists.


Quote from: Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.


Quote from: St. Paul, 1 Corinthians 11:1‒5, Darby Translation
Be my imitators, even as *I* also [am] of Christ. Now I praise you, that in all things ye are mindful of me; and that as I have directed you, ye keep the directions. But I wish you to know that the Christ is the head of every man, but woman’s head [is] the man, and the Christ’s head God. Every man praying or prophesying, having [anything] on his head, puts his head to shame. But every woman praying or prophesying with her head uncovered puts her own head to shame; for it is one and the same as a shaved [woman].
(All additions are original to the quoted text. Blue colorization is mine.)

Quote from: St. Paul, Ephesians 4:4‒6, Darby Translation
[There is] one body and one Spirit, as ye have been also called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in us all.
(All additions are original to the quoted text. Blue colorization is mine.)

You pull some really interesting quotes, but it would be nice (at least for me) if you explained your reasons for referencing them in some detail.
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June 08, 2015, 08:32:34 PM
Crazy thread.  Tough to say.  Some arguments both ways of exactly what is a spirit.... For example nobody really knows what light is.... or time for that matter.... or how blackholes can possible suck time and light... so what are black holes exactly?

Quote from: Ahmed Farag Ali, Saurya Das. “Cosmology from Quantum Potential.” _Physics Letters B_ 741 (235): 276-279. 277. 04 Apr. 235. link=http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.physletb.2014.12.057
[…] Note that these additional terms are not ad hoc or hypothetical, but rather an unavoidable consequence of a quantum description of the contents of our universe. Also, since it is well known that Bohmian trajectories do not cross [19,20], it follows that even when 𝜃 (or ȧ) → −∞ , the actual trajectories (as opposed to geodesics) do not converge, and there is no counterpart of geodesic incompleteness, or the classical singularity theorems, and singularities such as big bang or big crunch are in fact avoided. This view is also supported by the quantum corrected geodesic deviation equation derived in [10], which suggested that trajectories can never actually access infinite curvatures.
(Red colorization mine.)
(Colorization underwent minor, cosmetic modification.)
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June 08, 2015, 08:16:35 PM
Using the following definition of God:

God ≔ Everything that exists.

Since obviously “Everything that exists” exists,

therefore God exists.


Quote from: Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.


Quote from: St. Paul, 1 Corinthians 11:1‒5, Darby Translation
Be my imitators, even as *I* also [am] of Christ. Now I praise you, that in all things ye are mindful of me; and that as I have directed you, ye keep the directions. But I wish you to know that the Christ is the head of every man, but woman’s head [is] the man, and the Christ’s head God. Every man praying or prophesying, having [anything] on his head, puts his head to shame. But every woman praying or prophesying with her head uncovered puts her own head to shame; for it is one and the same as a shaved [woman].
(All additions are original to the quoted text. Blue colorization is mine.)

Quote from: St. Paul, Ephesians 4:4‒6, Darby Translation
[There is] one body and one Spirit, as ye have been also called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in us all.
(All additions are original to the quoted text. Blue colorization is mine.)
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June 08, 2015, 05:01:19 PM
Using the following definition of God:

God := Everything that exists.

Since obviously "Everything that exists" exists,

therefore God exists.


Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
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June 08, 2015, 02:33:17 PM
Learn the queen's english then, for all are correctly placed..

Actually, not a single one is correct, except in the post I am quoting.  Although, here, your capitalization is incorrect.

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The apostrophe can also be used to pluralize; this takes us into an area where there are few objective rules (always a joy!). You will recall that apostrophes are not to be used to pluralize a name (the Smith's), though it is commonly done in error. It is a proper use where it clarifies, such as in the Oakland A's; without the apostrophe As would be confusing or ambiguous. Other illustrations:
"The word �matter' contains two t's."
"Schools should teach the three R's."
"Computers employ the binary system of O's and I's."
Compare, however, the following where the number and letter combinations are so well established that to omit the apostrophe creates no ambiguity:
"Two 747s landed side-by-side."
"There are two YMCAs in the city."
"There is a serious shortage of RNs."
The preference seems to be to omit the apostrophe except where the meaning is not clear; on the other hand to insert the apostrophe in these last three illustrations would not be proper.

Spot the american remix.. I'll continue with the queen's english, you stick wi being a wank Wink Oop's, sorry, yank..

https://books.google.com/books?id=kyjdAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT78&lpg=PT78&dq=queen%27s+english+apostrophe&source=bl&ots=cTP3QJXqNO&sig=bdyvqA3frW1PXlplK3cuQjDU1aU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Gep1VY-IOcPLsAXgsoOIBw&ved=0CEYQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=queen's%20english%20apostrophe&f=false
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Never use an apostrophe in the plurals of ordinary words which are not possessive.

Your errors thus include: "anti-atheist's"; "atheist's"; "entitie's"; "tree's"; "follower's"; "nut's"

http://buteralaw.com/newsletters.asp?c=28&id=269

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In oral conversation we use contracted words routinely (and properly)...we are doing two things; first, we are putting two words together (is and not, are and not, could and not, etc.), and second, we are omitting one or more letters

Your errors thus include: "does'nt"

http://www.gsbe.co.uk/grammar-the-apostrophe.html
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With the sole exception of one’s, possessive pronouns do not take apostrophes.

Your errors thus include: "it's"

They are all in error.  How many more references about the Queen's English do you need to unlearn your shoddy understanding of it?  
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June 08, 2015, 12:45:27 PM
Learn the queen's english then, for all are correctly placed..

Actually, not a single one is correct, except in the post I am quoting.  Although, here, your capitalization is incorrect.

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The apostrophe can also be used to pluralize; this takes us into an area where there are few objective rules (always a joy!). You will recall that apostrophes are not to be used to pluralize a name (the Smith's), though it is commonly done in error. It is a proper use where it clarifies, such as in the Oakland A's; without the apostrophe As would be confusing or ambiguous. Other illustrations:
"The word �matter' contains two t's."
"Schools should teach the three R's."
"Computers employ the binary system of O's and I's."
Compare, however, the following where the number and letter combinations are so well established that to omit the apostrophe creates no ambiguity:
"Two 747s landed side-by-side."
"There are two YMCAs in the city."
"There is a serious shortage of RNs."
The preference seems to be to omit the apostrophe except where the meaning is not clear; on the other hand to insert the apostrophe in these last three illustrations would not be proper.

Spot the american remix.. I'll continue with the queen's english, you stick wi being a wank Wink Oop's, sorry, yank..

Now, listen to Decky! He's not on a trip this time.    Cheesy
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June 08, 2015, 10:18:29 AM
Learn the queen's english then, for all are correctly placed..

Actually, not a single one is correct, except in the post I am quoting.  Although, here, your capitalization is incorrect.

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The apostrophe can also be used to pluralize; this takes us into an area where there are few objective rules (always a joy!). You will recall that apostrophes are not to be used to pluralize a name (the Smith's), though it is commonly done in error. It is a proper use where it clarifies, such as in the Oakland A's; without the apostrophe As would be confusing or ambiguous. Other illustrations:
"The word �matter' contains two t's."
"Schools should teach the three R's."
"Computers employ the binary system of O's and I's."
Compare, however, the following where the number and letter combinations are so well established that to omit the apostrophe creates no ambiguity:
"Two 747s landed side-by-side."
"There are two YMCAs in the city."
"There is a serious shortage of RNs."
The preference seems to be to omit the apostrophe except where the meaning is not clear; on the other hand to insert the apostrophe in these last three illustrations would not be proper.

Spot the american remix.. I'll continue with the queen's english, you stick wi being a wank Wink Oop's, sorry, yank..
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June 08, 2015, 09:54:30 AM
Crazy thread.  Tough to say.  Some arguments both ways of exactly what is a spirit.... For example nobody really knows what light is.... or time for that matter.... or how blackholes can possible suck time and light... so what are black holes exactly?

Black holes are those prostitutes you have to buy when you're short on money.
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June 08, 2015, 01:24:55 AM
Today it has became a debate between science and religion.
God is religion.
Then how can science prove it.
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June 08, 2015, 12:20:40 AM
Crazy thread.  Tough to say.  Some arguments both ways of exactly what is a spirit.... For example nobody really knows what light is.... or time for that matter.... or how blackholes can possible suck time and light... so what are black holes exactly?
legendary
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June 07, 2015, 09:06:31 PM
Learn the queen's english then, for all are correctly placed..

Actually, not a single one is correct, except in the post I am quoting.  Although, here, your capitalization is incorrect.

Edit:
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The apostrophe can also be used to pluralize; this takes us into an area where there are few objective rules (always a joy!). You will recall that apostrophes are not to be used to pluralize a name (the Smith's), though it is commonly done in error. It is a proper use where it clarifies, such as in the Oakland A's; without the apostrophe As would be confusing or ambiguous. Other illustrations:
"The word �matter' contains two t's."
"Schools should teach the three R's."
"Computers employ the binary system of O's and I's."
Compare, however, the following where the number and letter combinations are so well established that to omit the apostrophe creates no ambiguity:
"Two 747s landed side-by-side."
"There are two YMCAs in the city."
"There is a serious shortage of RNs."
The preference seems to be to omit the apostrophe except where the meaning is not clear; on the other hand to insert the apostrophe in these last three illustrations would not be proper.
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