Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 267. (Read 845578 times)

Firstly, they don't 'teach' anything in church, they simply indoctrinate into their dogmatic belief system. You don't need to be told that god disapproves of you molesting your infant sisters to know that you have no right to do such a thing to them.

"One of the characteristics that has always been attributed to the christian god is omni-benevolence.   If I die, and much to my dismay I am standing in front of god, what would happen?  He would know that I did not disbelieve because I was being rebellious or evil, but because there were simply too many holes in the story.  He would know my morality, and that I am a good person.  He would know my intentions.    I highly doubt that an omniscient, omnipotent, and omni-benevolent god would punish me for all eternity knowing the truth."

Paraphrased of course.

Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”

But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it.”

A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

Then Jesus told him [Thomas], “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Firstly, they don't 'teach' anything in church, they simply indoctrinate into their dogmatic belief system. You don't need to be told that god disapproves of you molesting your infant sisters to know that you have no right to do such a thing to them.


Firstly, there were a few instances where Josh Duggar sexually assaulted those girls, sometimes they were asleep, sometimes they were not, every single time, however, they *were* sufficiently brainwashed into believing the patriarchal power he held over them that they simply complained to their dad, who claims they had a 'family meeting' on the first instance of it being reported to him and, on the second a few months later, they took him to 'Church Elders' and eventually a cop who was a good friend of Jim Duggar. A cop, coincidentally, who is currently serving 56 years for possessing extreme child abuse imagery.

So, irrespective of what any 'god' might care about, something we have no basis to assert, *we* the decent human-beings who do not need our morality defined by illiterate bronze-age goat-herders, recognise that the psychologically toxic environment within that family and within that 'Quiverfull' religious sect, leads to raising dysfunctional children with neuropsychiatric disorders.

That is what we care about, taking steps to stand up against the continued normalisation of a parent or organisation's religious 'right' to damage children to the degree they cannot help but harm others.

Interesting. So you think all of the things they teach you in church about what not to do isn't what God wants but instead its man controlling man?

Do you think Josh Dugger was wrong to touch his sisters naughty bits if the sisters didn't stop him? Was the Puritan father wrong to turn his son into the police for doing it? Does God not care about that shit?

If an "all loving god" wants to send me to hell for playing with myself, ok.   I would be kind of embarassed if he projected it on a cloud though.

I believe the reasoning is such that, as long as you weren't hurting anyone and had lived as a 'good' person, his religious laws about not masturbating etc. wouldn't apply because, as had been understood by him, he'd done a pretty shitty job in making it clear what 'He' wanted and who he was. 'He' isn't exactly unambiguous when it comes to 'Holy' texts'n'shit(tm).

What if he starts questioning your actions instead of your faith and shows you videos projected on a cloud of you touching yourself while sniffing a pair of dirty panties? Do you think he would believe that was ok or would he send you to hell?

What if he starts questioning your actions instead of your faith and shows you videos projected on a cloud of you touching yourself while sniffing a pair of dirty panties? Do you think he would believe that was ok or would he send you to hell?

"One of the characteristics that has always been attributed to the christian god is omni-benevolence.   If I die, and much to my dismay I am standing in front of god, what would happen?  He would know that I did not disbelieve because I was being rebellious or evil, but because there were simply too many holes in the story.  He would know my morality, and that I am a good person.  He would know my intentions.    I highly doubt that an omniscient, omnipotent, and omni-benevolent god would punish me for all eternity knowing the truth."

Paraphrased of course.

Where in that saccharine, 'omg, atheists, what if you die and the Xtian god is there!'

I could only get through the first few minutes, if there is anything of substance in that video, please cite at which time point it is said.

Here is one of the most profound, intelligent, and logical responses to pascals wager that I have ever heard.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqz0plz6DEs

What is it and people scrabbling for Pascal's Wager these days? Some dingus in the 'why do atheists hate religion' tried to cite it and when I pointed out that it had already been debunked by way of it being made very clear in multiple 'Holy' texts that worshiping the wrong god was the single most wicked act a human being could do and, therefore, the only logical response is to not worship any of them, he then tried to claim that because Pascal's Wager employs a god who cares about being worshiped then the only rule was that *any* god had to be worshiped to please him!

Fallacy much?

LOL yeah, that's pretty good. What you should tell people to get them off your back is that you're a gambler. You're just hedging your bets. If you're right you go to heaven, wear a white robe and sing old John Denver songs for all eternity and I go to hell and have a fiery poker shoved up my corn crack for all eternity. If I'm right we both just get buried and turn to dirt. No matter what, you win.

I have no problem with people being "confused victims", as long as they keep their intolerant beliefs to themselves. Once they start to display their intolerance of things due to their religious beliefs, that's when we have problems. Therefore, BADecker is a "bad guy"(And a pretty dumb one at that, in fact the absolute stupidest man I've ever met online so far is BADecker).

There is difficulty in determining if I am a bad guy or if I am a good guy. Here is where the difficulty lies.



If I am a Good Guy

People need to know what is going on. They need to be warned. They need to be saved from their mistakes.

The scientifically observable workings of the universe are of secondary importance. People need to see that the Great God Who controls the whole universe, is the Guy who makes the rules and controls them as easily as you and I speak or write.

In the Revelation of the Bible, there is a short description about the destruction of the universe. Included in that description is: "The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place."

Much of the writing at the time that the Revelation was written, was written on scrolls, rather than books like we have today. The picture of that little line in the Revelation is like God getting tired of reading from the book of the scroll of this universe, and then rolling it up to place it on the shelf, something like a Middle East sage might do with a scroll today.

The rolling up of the story scroll of this universe is going to be a bit different than simply setting the scroll back on the bookshelf. God doesn't like this story, because the devil and the people have corrupted it. God befriended them, and they corrupted the scroll of this universe. So, God is going to throw the scroll of this universe into the fire. From Revelation:The "first heaven and first earth had passed" by being thrown into the lake of fire. The "sea" spoken of is the sea of people who did not have faith in the One True God.

People need to be warned, so that they can seek God and be saved. God is not far from each of us. If we seek Him, He will be found by us, and we will be saved.



If I am a Bad Guy

There are people in this forum who don't believe in God. If I had not written my posts in such an adamant, direct form, the unbelievers would simply have gone on their way... not believing. But because of the way I have written, and because of the evidence I have shown, many of these people have become strongly opposed to the idea of God, much more so than they would have if nobody had written as straight-forward as have I. The result of my writing is that many of these have set themselves firmly in their anti-God stance. Some have even blasphemed God... more than they ever would have if I had not written.

The result is that these godless people will be punished more severely after the time of judgment than if they had never heard about God. Jesus said:
This means that I am actually causing some to be punished following the judgment, more than they would have if I had not spoken.



Conclusion

But what does it really matter? Their punishment is the thing that they have asked for by not repenting. And my words were a warning, causing some to have a change of heart, avoid the punishment altogether, and join with the saved in the new heavens and the new earth. Thus, the thing that I have done and am doing, is good, even though it moves some into contracting onto themselves more punishment.

Oh drat. I hate being behind the times. So, okay.

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You are a confused guy

You are a brainwashed guy

You are a victim of your polluted society

You are an imbecile unable to think for yourself and lack the mental capacity for logic and comprehension

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Thanks. I feel much better now. Did I do okay?