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Just do it!! Stop going to church and being brainwashed every Sunday. Distance yourself from other brainwashed people who urge you to go to church. Read books. Learn.
(He’s already “read [𝙱]ooks” [Vod].)
Quote from: John Emerich Edward Dalberg Acton, first Baron Acton (1834–1902) link=http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/absolute-power-corrupts-absolutely.html
Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.
The above is as applicable to ideas as it is to Acton’s “men.”
I am trying to pull my head out of the sand.
This is clearly a cry for help.
As fellow bitcoiners we will help you anyway we can. You are a victim of lies and propaganda from a religion that pushed your head deep into the sand, and holds it there with false promises. We will get you through this.
How does one try to pull their head out of the sand?
Just do it!! Stop going to church and being brainwashed every Sunday. Distance yourself from other brainwashed people who urge you to go to church. Read books. Learn.
Don't try - do it!
I am trying to pull my head out of the sand.
This is clearly a cry for help.
As fellow bitcoiners we will help you anyway we can. You are a victim of lies and propaganda from a religion that pushed your head deep into the sand, and holds it there with false promises. We will get you through this.
The flood happened around 1,600 years after the creation.
This is false. Planet earth didn't exist 13.798 billion years ago.
There you go, suggesting that you have the knowledge of God. Who do you think you are?
And the Ironic Comment of the Year Award goes to...
...BADecker! The most frequent and consistent blasphemer according to the Bible's own description of blasphemy.
God is putting up with your kind of behavior regarding Him and religion, because it is His way of trying to mend you, a broken tool. If you won't let Him fix you, He doesn't really have any use for you. Into the trash of Hell you go.
Why would your evil god do that to me? Why not just reset my brain, like he will do in heaven?
Now, since people have rejected God and the Godness in themselves, God has given us a second chance in Jesus. It wasn't easy (how does God "coerce" Godness?). But He did it for us, because He loves us. However, if we continue to use our Godness to deny Him (thereby denying ourselves as well), what else can He do? We have the Godness to do the thing we are doing. He isn't going to join us and let Himself be destroyed along with us.
Because of this, God is not evil. He is good beyond all goodness.
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As BADecker always does, he ignores the part of the bible that writes that no matter what I do in life, I will go to heaven if I accept jesus as my savior. So I can act like trash - I can rape, steal, covert others to another religion, as long as seconds before my death I sincerely accept jesus.
Ignore? The salvation of Jesus is the only thing that is keeping people alive in this life. It is faith in Jesus salvation that will keep us alive, individually, forever. Because of this, it is not the doings themselves, no matter how vile that they might be, that destroys anyone... not directly, that is. No, the evil and wickedness that people do destroys their faith in Jesus salvation.
This life is relatively short. When it is done, it is absolutely done. The only way into life in the hereafter is through faith in Jesus salvation. If wickedness in this life destroys the faith, there is only death in the hereafter. Because of the Godness that God placed in people, death in the hereafter is like God dying. Such dying takes forever because God is eternal. Such death will be the exact opposite of fun.
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Then I'm in heaven, equal in status to BADecker, who has spent his entire life promoting his god, sitting in the trash of earth. We're equal in the eyes of his god and have the same privileges and same eternity of worshiping a vain god.
Again, it is faith in Jesus salvation that saves you. If you don't have enough of this faith when you die, you lose life in the hereafter, even though you have life here for a short time.Quote
Now let's say I love this girl, and heaven for me is that we're together. She hates me, and heaven for her is that we're apart. What's the solution? Do we live in separate heavens, or does god reset our brains so we forget that the person with wings beside us murdered our parents?
Heaven for each of us is the thing God has in His plans. We don't know what it will be like. We barely have descriptions in the Bible of what we will be like. The one thing that we are assured of is great joy with God in the new universe He is preparing for those who love Him.Quote
See, the problem is when you make up fairy tales, there are always so many holes in your stories. Evolution has no holes - only things we haven't discovered yet.
Since we have not discovered most of the things of evolution, how can anybody logically think that evolution doesn't have any holes? So far, evolution is the fairy tale.Quote
Pull your head out of the sand BADecker - you still have many years of life ahead of you that you can put to good use!
I am trying to pull my head out of the sand. Nobody knows for a fact that he has many good years ahead of him. Death often comes suddenly, and people would have done things differently in their life if they knew they were headed for death in the things that they were doing.
Isn't it time that you started pulling your head out of the sand, so that you can see that the things that you trust are really only passing dreams? If you don't, you are going to lose it all, even your self.
God is physical and it exists inside the believers head. 
There is no proof that the Bible is an "impossible" book
Of course there is. Read my post above and try to explain how heaven works.
Do we all go to our own separate heavens, kind of like being in a coma on earth?
Are our brains reset so we don't remember the guy next to us raped us?
With billions of people in heaven, do we just have to think of the person to find them? That will make stalking easy, won't it? Or does your god neuter us so we no longer have sexual desire?
What about the person who hates Asians? How would he enjoy heaven when they are everywhere?
How does it work?
God is putting up with your kind of behavior regarding Him and religion, because it is His way of trying to mend you, a broken tool. If you won't let Him fix you, He doesn't really have any use for you. Into the trash of Hell you go.
Why would your evil god do that to me? Why not just reset my brain, like he will do in heaven?
As BADecker always does, he ignores the part of the bible that writes that no matter what I do in life, I will go to heaven if I accept jesus as my savior. So I can act like trash - I can rape, steal, covert others to another religion, as long as seconds before my death I sincerely accept jesus.
Then I'm in heaven, equal in status to BADecker, who has spent his entire life promoting his god, sitting in the trash of earth. We're equal in the eyes of his god and have the same privileges and same eternity of worshiping a vain god.
Now let's say I love this girl, and heaven for me is that we're together. She hates me, and heaven for her is that we're apart. What's the solution? Do we live in separate heavens, or does god reset our brains so we forget that the person with wings beside us murdered our parents?
See, the problem is when you make up fairy tales, there are always so many holes in your stories. Evolution has no holes - only things we haven't discovered yet.
Pull your head out of the sand BADecker - you still have many years of life ahead of you that you can put to good use!
An analysis of the content of the Bible indicates that the source has been corrupted. I agree with this quote:
There is no proof that the Bible is an "impossible" book; there is far more evidence that the content has changed, some of this evidence is referenced in the audio called FIRST CHRISTIANS. I agree with this quote:
This isn't to say that the God of the Bible is the God of the universe.
The Bible, while not as full of evidence for the existence of God, is full of evidence that shows that it is an impossible book.
The way it was written,
the period of time it took,
the traditions of the Jews (Hebrews) regarding it,
the facts of life that it expresses,
the fulfilled prophesies,
the fact that it may be the the book with the widest distribution worldwide ever,
the fact that its popularity is beyond any other,
all show that it is impossible for it to have come into existence.
So, why and how could an impossible-to-exist book ever have come into existence without God moving it into being?
No, proof is not "in the eye of the beholder."
Proof is proof. If I believe that some evidence constitutes proof for something but you don't believe the same, then neither one of us can be certain if proof is "in the eye of the beholder."
Fortunately, proof is not "in the eye of the beholder." Our opinion is irrelevant. All we need to do is look to the logical rules of sound inference to determine whether the evidence actually constitutes proof. Specifically, we look to these rules and ask the question, "Is it logical that our conclusion necessarily follows from the evidence?"
The answer is either that it does or doesn't. There is no middle ground. The evidence you keep referencing is not proof for God, and that won't change no matter how hard you try to convince yourselef.
I do think most of the bible should be seen as a story, and I think verses from the bible are irrelevant when it comes to a genuine investigation of if there is a higher power or not. The bible is just a book that has gone through many, many revisions over the years at the whims of kings and other leaders throughout history. It has little to do with if there is genuine evidence of a higher spiritual force behind the universe or not.
There is no proof that the Bible is an "impossible" book; there is far more evidence that the content has changed, some of this evidence is referenced in the audio called FIRST CHRISTIANS. I agree with this quote:
This isn't to say that the God of the Bible is the God of the universe.
The Bible, while not as full of evidence for the existence of God, is full of evidence that shows that it is an impossible book.
The way it was written,
the period of time it took,
the traditions of the Jews (Hebrews) regarding it,
the facts of life that it expresses,
the fulfilled prophesies,
the fact that it may be the the book with the widest distribution worldwide ever,
the fact that its popularity is beyond any other,
all show that it is impossible for it to have come into existence.
So, why and how could an impossible-to-exist book ever have come into existence without God moving it into being?
No, proof is not "in the eye of the beholder."
Proof is proof. If I believe that some evidence constitutes proof for something but you don't believe the same, then neither one of us can be certain if proof is "in the eye of the beholder."
Fortunately, proof is not "in the eye of the beholder." Our opinion is irrelevant. All we need to do is look to the logical rules of sound inference to determine whether the evidence actually constitutes proof. Specifically, we look to these rules and ask the question, "Is it logical that our conclusion necessarily follows from the evidence?"
The answer is either that it does or doesn't. There is no middle ground. The evidence you keep referencing is not proof for God, and that won't change no matter how hard you try to convince yourselef.
Hi BADecker,
I have found only compelling explanations of mysteries and history in Phoenix Journals, and you even agree with me in saying "Have I in these quotes accused you of pointing to a false teaching? I don't see it." so I will continue to use the Journals as a guide. I have to mention here again that a wrathful (Jealous) God is not compatible with a loving God, because wrath is not compatible with love. In Exodus 34:14, it says that God's name is Jealous, not Love. I cannot even consider your argument from "Biblical" authority before this contradiction is resolved; actually, I am not going to consider any arguments from authority because Hatonn, who is my reference, "always can back up statements with facts", and he has done so in explaining the Biblical writings, and exposing those who wrote them! Why don't you spend some time reading Hatonn's commentary; how exactly is it that you can label Hatonn a liar?
According to the OT Bible, God's very name is Jealous; this means that YHWH is totally jealous, in other words he is jealous all the time.
This is you denying that God is jealous all the time:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10892562
I have found only compelling explanations of mysteries and history in Phoenix Journals, and you even agree with me in saying "Have I in these quotes accused you of pointing to a false teaching? I don't see it." so I will continue to use the Journals as a guide. I have to mention here again that a wrathful (Jealous) God is not compatible with a loving God, because wrath is not compatible with love. In Exodus 34:14, it says that God's name is Jealous, not Love. I cannot even consider your argument from "Biblical" authority before this contradiction is resolved; actually, I am not going to consider any arguments from authority because Hatonn, who is my reference, "always can back up statements with facts", and he has done so in explaining the Biblical writings, and exposing those who wrote them! Why don't you spend some time reading Hatonn's commentary; how exactly is it that you can label Hatonn a liar?
According to the OT Bible, God's very name is Jealous; this means that YHWH is totally jealous, in other words he is jealous all the time.
This is you denying that God is jealous all the time:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10892562
Sorry, Badecker, but
"The flood happened around 1,600 years after the creation."
is not just an error. It is a lie. It is a lie that you chose to propagate, maybe for power, money or ego, I don't know why.
But you can't deny that you know the truth. Hey just look at your bory and you see heavy elements. Elements that were made in the dying of a star, the ancestor of our Sun. It's just that you choose to believe a lie, to follow doublethink as described in 1984. No, you did not make an error, you were and are lying and you know it.
"The flood happened around 1,600 years after the creation."
is not just an error. It is a lie. It is a lie that you chose to propagate, maybe for power, money or ego, I don't know why.
But you can't deny that you know the truth. Hey just look at your bory and you see heavy elements. Elements that were made in the dying of a star, the ancestor of our Sun. It's just that you choose to believe a lie, to follow doublethink as described in 1984. No, you did not make an error, you were and are lying and you know it.
The flood happened around 1,600 years after the creation.
This is false. Planet earth didn't exist 13.798 billion years ago.
There you go, suggesting that you have the knowledge of God. Who do you think you are?
Firstly, how can I, or anybody else for that matter, have any knowledge of god when nobody has the foggiest idea if he exists or not?
Secondly, what's this got to do with me correcting your error? A distraction I'm presuming.
Since I have presented strong evidence for the existence of God here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395, evidence which many people accept as truth, and since there is additional evidence for God that one can find if one looks, anybody who doesn't have the foggiest about the existence of God is intentionally remaining in ignorance.
Your correction is a far worse error than any error that I might have made.
"The Joint" has shot you down into a smoldering plane wreck with solid sound logic over that silly proof link thingy of yours. But your still pretending your flying high above the clouds unharmed. When are you going to learn? Your goal of becoming the "bitcointalk god guru" just isn't working out for you. It has failed.
We've all tried to help you stop embarassing yourself anymore than you have already, but like a small child that keeps wanting to play with the bleach bottles under the kitchen sink after mummy has said "no, it's for your own good", you keep going back after we've dragged you away, "because mummy is bad and you know best."
I think we are all running out of ideas what's left to do with you really. But we won't give up trying to help a fellow bitcoiner.
The flood happened around 1,600 years after the creation.
This is false. Planet earth didn't exist 13.798 billion years ago.
There you go, suggesting that you have the knowledge of God. Who do you think you are?
Firstly, how can I, or anybody else for that matter, have any knowledge of god when nobody has the foggiest idea if he exists or not?
Secondly, what's this got to do with me correcting your error? A distraction I'm presuming.
Since I have presented strong evidence for the existence of God here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395, evidence which many people accept as truth, and since there is additional evidence for God that one can find if one looks, anybody who doesn't have the foggiest about the existence of God is intentionally remaining in ignorance.
Your correction is a far worse error than any error that I might have made.
The flood happened around 1,600 years after the creation.
This is false. Planet earth didn't exist 13.798 billion years ago.
There you go, suggesting that you have the knowledge of God. Who do you think you are?
Firstly, how can I, or anybody else for that matter, have any knowledge of god when nobody has the foggiest idea if he exists or not?
Secondly, what's this got to do with me correcting your error? A distraction I'm presuming.
The flood happened around 1,600 years after the creation.
This is false. Planet earth didn't exist 13.798 billion years ago.
There you go, suggesting that you have the knowledge of God. Who do you think you are?
The flood happened around 1,600 years after the creation.
This is false. Planet earth didn't exist 13.798 billion years ago.
Notice that the God of the Bible only destroys those who are against Him.
A god that rules by anger and fear, is not worthy of my worship.
He must fear me, because I'm still here, not destroyed.
God rules in love. sometimes the love expresses itself by showing anger. After all, we children are all going to die. God lives forever. It doesn't do anything to Him when we die. However, His love causes Him to discipline with the appearance of anger which makes us fear, so that we get serious about our impending doom, and do the things that allow us to be saved >>> believe in the salvation of Jesus, God's Son.
Not worthy.
Notice that the God of the Bible only destroys those who are against Him.
So it's "worship me or I kill you and you'll burn in hell!"
Isn't that exactly like the abusive husband that tells his wife he'll kill (destroy) her if she leaves (is against) him?
We don't put up with that kind of behavior in society, why would we put up with it in religion? Give a strong NO! to your god and go to a shelter (aka get an education).
Luckily, more and more people are doing that in record numbers every day.
No, it's worship God because that is what mankind was made for.
If you have a garden tool that breaks, you might fix it, or at least attempt to. If you find out that trying to fix it is taking longer than it would take to buy a new one, you throw the broken one in the trash.
God is putting up with your kind of behavior regarding Him and religion, because it is His way of trying to mend you, a broken tool. If you won't let Him fix you, He doesn't really have any use for you. Into the trash of Hell you go.
Punishing people for all eternity is vindictive like a spoiled child. He could just wipe the slate clean and start the sand box over again. I don't beat my hard drive with a hammer and burn it up when the OS stops working. I erase it and start over.
There you go with your spoiled-child mentality again.
EDIT: Don't erase your hard drive. You are destroying all the programs, the people, on it.
Notice that the God of the Bible only destroys those who are against Him.
A god that rules by anger and fear, is not worthy of my worship.
He must fear me, because I'm still here, not destroyed.
God rules in love. sometimes the love expresses itself by showing anger. After all, we children are all going to die. God lives forever. It doesn't do anything to Him when we die. However, His love causes Him to discipline with the appearance of anger which makes us fear, so that we get serious about our impending doom, and do the things that allow us to be saved >>> believe in the salvation of Jesus, God's Son.
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