Why have people got inside their head that the afterlife has a connection with god? Maybe the afterlife does exist, if it does, what makes people think we will suddenly know everything and see god?
Wishful thinking, that's why. Oh, and an unhealthy dose of listening to false prophets in the mix.
Proving the afterlife, does not prove god in any way.
Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 275. (Read 845650 times)
I don't need science, nor religion, but God.
You need science. You use it to post here on this forum, as well as to live.
You don't need a god. Millions of us (growing everyday as education spreads) survive without one.
I don't need science, nor religion, but God.
You are simply projecting your ignorance.
Actually, you are.
Show us any proof, proof that we can recreate ourselves. I can prove gravity exists by dropping my pencil.
People need to know the truth that God exists.
But that my friend isn't the truth is it. The world has been fed lies like this for thousands of years from false prophets like yourself.
The truth is, we simply don't know if god exists or not. Believing in god is just purely faith, nothing more. No words you say can change that.
To prove that all atheists (humanists) are mistaken, it is enough that I point to the observations which strongly support the survival hypothesis. This leaves only theism as a viable answer to the God-question.
People need to know the truth that God exists.
But that my friend isn't the truth is it. The world has been fed lies like this for thousands of years from false prophets like yourself.
The truth is, we simply don't know if god exists or not. Believing in god is just purely faith, nothing more. No words you say can change that.
Page 248, still waiting to see this scientific proof? 
It's hilarious that only one single sentence of *common academic knowledge* invalidates the entire thread: Empiricism by definition can only explore and conclude upon what's observable (i.e. that which is physically constrained) and so it is axiomatically impossible for empicism to explore God (which is totally unconstrained by common definition).
So many things said in this thread, so much time wasted.
Materialism can be shown to be false by empirical evidence and logical arguments. To prove that all atheists (humanists) are mistaken, it is enough that I point to the observations which strongly support the survival hypothesis. This leaves only theism as a viable answer to the God-question.
Why don't you and RodeoX address the observations from the Eisenbeiss case?
That case and the rest of the AECES top 40 are part of the strongest evidence suggestive of the afterlife. Since belief in the afterlife is scientific, and research in this field has produced genuine scientific discoveries, it does present somewhat of a mature theory. The evidence is so strong that I agree that the burden of proof has shifted to skeptics of an afterlife.
We must remember that there is no question more important than the question of survival.
"It is strong confirmation of any theory that proofs converging from many and varying classes of phenomena unite in establishing it."
— The Hon. Robert Dale Owen
"History shows that every intelligent man who has gone into this investigation, if he gave it adequate examination at all, has come out believing in spirits; this circumstance places the burden of proof on the shoulders of the skeptic."
— James H. Hyslop, Ph.D.
“The evidence for an afterlife is sufficiently strong and compelling that an unbiased person ought to conclude that materialism is a false theory.”
— Dr. Neal Grossman
"When a survival researcher is asked whether the evidence ‘proves’ that we survive the death of the body, he must answer ‘no,’ but he should quickly add that ‘proof’ is not the relevant concept with which to discuss empirical hypotheses, and insist that the evidence is just about as strong as evidence ever gets in science.”
— Dr. Neal Grossman
http://ascsi.org/ASCS/Library/LegacyRoom/Interviwees/Grossman_N.shtml
If any one reads the Phoenix Journals, then invariably s/he will choose to conclude that the Journals are the WORD. Then, one will understand that GOD IS. MAN PLACES LIMITATIONS--GOD HAS NONE! Here are some highly relevant quotes:
Oh wow, I hadn't even realised quite how unhinged you truly are Jag! So some delusional lunatic posts about how he is an inter-dimensional being and you, what, just believe him?
Is that how it works or are you claiming there's actual evidence that he is an inter-dimensional galactic commander?
So you will simply conclude that Hatonn is wrong without even reading his writings?
All new knowledge comes slowly. Be patient--and be masterful. But study the information for it will not seep all over you by the closed book--EVER. Your own destiny is of too great import for you not to know that which you should know to control it.
And also...
Why do you chime in when I mention Hatonn, but not when I quote mainstream journals as saying "life is more than just complicated chemistry"??
And also...
Why do you chime in when I mention Hatonn while still failing to adequately address the AECES top 40? Remember that there is no question more important than the question of survival! Skepticism of psychic phenomena is based more on a religion of materialism than on hard science. The burden of proof has shifted to skeptics of an afterlife.
And why do you not respond to John Lennox and Thomas Nagel, both of whom emphasize the absurdity of atheism? Your response just doesn't add up!
Anyway, it matters not if Hatonn is real; read the journals and see what they offer, then you can judge for yourself, in wisdom of knowledge.
IS HATONN REAL?
WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE IF THAT WHICH I OFFER IS VALID TRUTH?
WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE IF THAT WHICH I OFFER IS VALID TRUTH?
As long as you maintain science as your main god, you are going to have a hard time in understanding the real God.
God is so "great" that such a question can't apply. Asking such a question is expressing ignorance more than simply saying something like, "God is way beyond my understanding."
Again, how can something be understood yet be way beyond our understanding?
Don't bother trying to answer, you'll only be dishonest again.
When the thing being understood has explained itself in little tiny ways that we can understand.
Tell me again how your deity 'explains' itself and why this explanation is a reasonable data set with which to formulate an hypothesis.
Or is it that you actually mean your subjective experience, coupled with fistfuls of bronze-age anecdotal tales?
Since you want to remain ignorant about God, I wouldn't want to take your ignorance away from you. In the event that there you have some slight sincere question, my info at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395 shows that God exists beyond anything that science without my info can show one way or another. If you really want to find out what it is all about, start reading the New Testament in the Bible, and finish up with the Old Testament.
Oh badecker, how many times have you posted your shitty link? No one accepts that as proof yet you still want to post it
You're talking to someone who thinks an inductive fallacy is about poor electrical superconductors.
Just a friendly warning
I knew that I had gotten to you a long time ago. So, let me say thanks, for continually showing the strength of the things I say, by picking on me, and by picking on the things I say in ways that don't really show anything other than the truth in what I say.
People need to know the truth that God exists. Thanks for helping me prove that He does.
Just curious, though. You have said in the past (if I didn't misunderstand) that you believe that God exists. Why do you believe? Or is it simply that you do, and the answer as to why isn't easy to say?
12% brain activation, 12% DNA usage [8/64], we have a lot of room to grow.
Frequencies
Viz.
Frequencies
Viz.
As long as you maintain science as your main god, you are going to have a hard time in understanding the real God.
God is so "great" that such a question can't apply. Asking such a question is expressing ignorance more than simply saying something like, "God is way beyond my understanding."
Again, how can something be understood yet be way beyond our understanding?
Don't bother trying to answer, you'll only be dishonest again.
When the thing being understood has explained itself in little tiny ways that we can understand.
Tell me again how your deity 'explains' itself and why this explanation is a reasonable data set with which to formulate an hypothesis.
Or is it that you actually mean your subjective experience, coupled with fistfuls of bronze-age anecdotal tales?
Since you want to remain ignorant about God, I wouldn't want to take your ignorance away from you. In the event that there you have some slight sincere question, my info at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395 shows that God exists beyond anything that science without my info can show one way or another. If you really want to find out what it is all about, start reading the New Testament in the Bible, and finish up with the Old Testament.
Oh badecker, how many times have you posted your shitty link? No one accepts that as proof yet you still want to post it
You're talking to someone who thinks an inductive fallacy is about poor electrical superconductors.
Just a friendly warning
As long as you maintain science as your main god, you are going to have a hard time in understanding the real God.
God is so "great" that such a question can't apply. Asking such a question is expressing ignorance more than simply saying something like, "God is way beyond my understanding."
Again, how can something be understood yet be way beyond our understanding?
Don't bother trying to answer, you'll only be dishonest again.
When the thing being understood has explained itself in little tiny ways that we can understand.
Tell me again how your deity 'explains' itself and why this explanation is a reasonable data set with which to formulate an hypothesis.
Or is it that you actually mean your subjective experience, coupled with fistfuls of bronze-age anecdotal tales?
Since you want to remain ignorant about God, I wouldn't want to take your ignorance away from you. In the event that there you have some slight sincere question, my info at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395 shows that God exists beyond anything that science without my info can show one way or another. If you really want to find out what it is all about, start reading the New Testament in the Bible, and finish up with the Old Testament.
Oh badecker, how many times have you posted your shitty link? No one accepts that as proof yet you still want to post it
