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legendary
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April 23, 2015, 04:19:47 PM

Atheism certainly meets the qualification of religion as shown here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11176835.

And I show you why it certainly doesn't, here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11177435

Would you stop going about like you know what atheism and science are?  At 251 pages into this thread, you still don't know what they are.

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Atheism is one of the weakest religions. It is weak because it doesn't even recognize that the people who are adhering to atheism are setting themselves up as God. The evidence I have shown here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395, which is enough proof for many people, is almost infinitely stronger than any evidence against the existence of God.

Thank you for giving me the push to post this.

Smiley

If you're thanking me for posting what you do, please don't.  I don't want to be held responsible for your catastrophic misunderstanding and intellectual dishonesty.  And again, atheism isn't a religion.

From Wiki: "Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities...Most inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist."

And there you go -- atheism is not a belief system.  It's the lack of religious position entirely.  The "absence of belief that any deities exist" is not the same as "a belief that no deities exist."

Phrased another way, if theism is "a belief that a deity/deities exist,"  then it's inverse is "no belief that a deity/deities exist," and not "the belief that no deity/deities exist."

I think you should stop pushing.  It's coming out as diarrhea.
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legendary
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April 23, 2015, 04:18:05 PM
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April 23, 2015, 04:12:32 PM

Machine-like nature of the universe.
     All around us, in nature and the universe we see machine-like operations. These operations are extremely complex inside life and the cells. Machines have makers.
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMn319zkZ2s
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id2rZS59xSE
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJyUtbn0O5Y
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao9cVhwPg84


Machine usage is in progression.
     Animals use simple machines. Some primates (apes, chimps, monkeys) use rocks and sticks to work their food. The leverage they provide with the rocks and sticks is machine use.
     People use simple machines. People make and use complex machines. All machines that people and animals make and use come from examples of machine operations in the universe.
     The progression is that, as the machines that people make and use are far more advanced than the ones that animals make and use, so are the machines that exist in nature far more advanced than the ones that people make and use. The advanced machines of the universe have an advanced Maker - God. Machines have makers.

So you consider life and cells to be machines. And you consider that these machines can make other machines. What made the machine you call God?

Using this logic, everything is made by something else, and it would go on forever. Where does it stop? Are we to accept that God is exempt from the logic you use in this argument? You may respond with something along the lines of "God is the beginning of this progression, the thing that created the universe, and he existed for all time." Well, if there IS in fact an beginning to the progression of machines creating machines creating machines, why can't it be the Universe itself? What if it does not need an intelligent creator and it has existed forever - since time is only extant in the universe it effectively could have existed forever even considering the Big Bang theory. What's even better, is that we know the universe exists and it can be proven by conventional science (so far as proving that anything effectively exists could do). Making things with a specific design in mind is more on the human/advanced animal level, but the universe can certainly create, through the extant and provable laws of physics and semi-random processes. Keep in mind that in the current scientific view, the world is at least 4 billion years old, and the universe much older yet. Just considering the fact that matter and the laws of physics exist, you would expect SOMETHING to happen in all that time. For all we know, there could be a set of "machines" somewhere else in the universe that is far more advanced than what we call "life".

If I were to have a God to account for the universe, it would be the universe itself - matter, energy, and the laws of physics and other fundamental scientific/mathematical laws (maybe even some we haven't discovered yet) - not a sun god, not a lightning god, not a judgemental god that focuses on abstract ideals like good and evil, or even a loving god that watches over each and every one of "His children" and listens to their prayers (of course choosing which ones to answer according to His will alone).

legendary
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April 23, 2015, 04:04:35 PM
Scientific proof that god doesn't exist:

An essentially conjoined esophagus and trachea. How in the world is it INTELLIGENT or LOGICAL to combine to pipes that are vital to survival essentially into one input? The very thing we need to do to survive (eat) can cause us not to be able to do the essentially only other thing we need to do to survive (breathe).

Seems like a major design flaw if we were intelligently created. Which then infer that our creator maybe isn't so perfect. Nature and evolution on the other hand would take the simplest path it can to form our systems; which would result in reusing what it can.

That doesn't disprove god. God could of started evolution and then stood back and watched what happened.


Well it would completely dispel the creation story as known in nearly all religions.

Believing in god and believing in religion are completely different things.


I think they're wholly linked. Religion is based on the worship of a god. In the Christian religion for example, if we can delink the creation story from any direct intelligent creation, would that not essentially deflate the entire structure of the religion? At least the parts that maintain any divine intervention. What did god do other than create man and the world? Essentially nothing.

Merriam-Webster expressly defines religion as believing in and worshiping a god.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion


Buddhist and the like are technically atheist; nor is it a religion. Misguided individual may think it is, but by definition it is not.  

Well it is possible to believe god, but not believe in a religion.



As usual, Fluffer Overblow is kinda backwards in his thinking.
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religion
[ri-lij-uh n]


noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:
a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:
to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7. religions, Archaic. religious rites:
painted priests performing religions deep into the night.

"6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice."

Are you really dank in disguise? After all, dank did a lot of his posting from his phone just like you.

Smiley

You have two problems, here.

First, neither science nor atheism meet your selected definition.  Science is not a belief system, it's a methodology.  Ethics and moral conscience are not in any way directly linked to either science or atheism.  Atheism isn't a belief system, either.  It's the lack of any theistic belief system.  A lack of a certain kind of belief is not necessarily a belief itself.

You would be better off trying to argue that Empiricism, not science, is a religion according to definition #6.  Empiricism is a belief system -- specifically, it is the belief/theory that a certain type of knowledge can be gained through sound empirical exploration.  Science is an empirical method of exploration, not a belief system itself.  So, you're still wrong.

Second, by selecting definition #6, you make a false analogy because you most often treat Christianity according to religious definition #1.  This means that you aren't talking about science or atheism in the same way that you're talking about Christianity.  This is a logical fallacy: http://onegoodmove.org/fallacy/falsean.htm
legendary
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April 23, 2015, 03:14:18 PM
Scientific proof that god doesn't exist:

An essentially conjoined esophagus and trachea. How in the world is it INTELLIGENT or LOGICAL to combine to pipes that are vital to survival essentially into one input? The very thing we need to do to survive (eat) can cause us not to be able to do the essentially only other thing we need to do to survive (breathe).

Seems like a major design flaw if we were intelligently created. Which then infer that our creator maybe isn't so perfect. Nature and evolution on the other hand would take the simplest path it can to form our systems; which would result in reusing what it can.

That doesn't disprove god. God could of started evolution and then stood back and watched what happened.


Well it would completely dispel the creation story as known in nearly all religions.

Believing in god and believing in religion are completely different things.


I think they're wholly linked. Religion is based on the worship of a god. In the Christian religion for example, if we can delink the creation story from any direct intelligent creation, would that not essentially deflate the entire structure of the religion? At least the parts that maintain any divine intervention. What did god do other than create man and the world? Essentially nothing.

Merriam-Webster expressly defines religion as believing in and worshiping a god.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion


Buddhist and the like are technically atheist; nor is it a religion. Misguided individual may think it is, but by definition it is not.  

Well it is possible to believe god, but not believe in a religion.



As usual, Fluffer Overblow is kinda backwards in his thinking.
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religion
[ri-lij-uh n]


noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:
a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:
to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7. religions, Archaic. religious rites:
painted priests performing religions deep into the night.

"6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice."

Are you really dank in disguise? After all, dank did a lot of his posting from his phone just like you.

Smiley

Oh just listen to Mr Strict Definition today.
LOL, you do make me chuckle. Cheesy

legendary
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April 23, 2015, 03:07:03 PM
There are thousands of religions being practiced today. Here are 20 of the most popular, along with an estimate of the number of followers from census data:

...


And here are a couple of the weakest ones, so weak that they aren't usually even understood to be religions:
science (in the broader sense)
atheism

The god of both of these religions is man. What an ignorant god man is, especially when he practices these two religions while not understanding that they are religions, and that he is the god of these religions.

Smiley

Neither atheism nor science are religions because they do not meet the definitional criteria of a religon.  You're going off into fantasy-land again.

Atheism literally means "lack of belief in God," so it's just stupid to say that "the god of these religions is man."  You're even further off-base with regards to science, which isn't even a belief system whatsoever; it's a method.

Atheism certainly meets the qualification of religion as shown here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11176835.

Atheism is one of the weakest religions. It is weak because it doesn't even recognize that the people who are adhering to atheism are setting themselves up as God. The evidence I have shown here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395, which is enough proof for many people, is almost infinitely stronger than any evidence against the existence of God.

Thank you for giving me the push to post this.

Smiley
legendary
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April 23, 2015, 03:00:45 PM
There are thousands of religions being practiced today. Here are 20 of the most popular, along with an estimate of the number of followers from census data:

...


And here are a couple of the weakest ones, so weak that they aren't usually even understood to be religions:
science (in the broader sense)
atheism

The god of both of these religions is man. What an ignorant god man is, especially when he practices these two religions while not understanding that they are religions, and that he is the god of these religions.

Smiley

Let's see... to make this post you had to use some sort of electronic device... which was made by man and developed through electronic science, materials science, computer science, and physics. If you are using something so clearly made possible by science and directly made by man, then you are practically worshiping an idol of this scientific "religion",

"Thou shalt not put false gods before me"

Looks like you're going to hell, mate!  Grin

God made it all available by putting the basics of it into the universe, and then giving mankind the ability to use it all. God could have made mankind like the animals. But He didn't, even though there are a bunch of people trying to eliminate themselves by attempting to remove God from their lives.

I use the things of God, even the things of the idiots who don't recognize the Guy Who made them and the basics of their wonderful, idiot inventions. Heavenward bound. Oh joy.

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legendary
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April 23, 2015, 02:54:38 PM
Scientific proof that god doesn't exist:

An essentially conjoined esophagus and trachea. How in the world is it INTELLIGENT or LOGICAL to combine to pipes that are vital to survival essentially into one input? The very thing we need to do to survive (eat) can cause us not to be able to do the essentially only other thing we need to do to survive (breathe).

Seems like a major design flaw if we were intelligently created. Which then infer that our creator maybe isn't so perfect. Nature and evolution on the other hand would take the simplest path it can to form our systems; which would result in reusing what it can.

That doesn't disprove god. God could of started evolution and then stood back and watched what happened.


Well it would completely dispel the creation story as known in nearly all religions.

Believing in god and believing in religion are completely different things.


I think they're wholly linked. Religion is based on the worship of a god. In the Christian religion for example, if we can delink the creation story from any direct intelligent creation, would that not essentially deflate the entire structure of the religion? At least the parts that maintain any divine intervention. What did god do other than create man and the world? Essentially nothing.

Merriam-Webster expressly defines religion as believing in and worshiping a god.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion


Buddhist and the like are technically atheist; nor is it a religion. Misguided individual may think it is, but by definition it is not.  

Well it is possible to believe god, but not believe in a religion.



As usual, Fluffer Overblow is kinda backwards in his thinking.
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religion
[ri-lij-uh n]


noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:
a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:
to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7. religions, Archaic. religious rites:
painted priests performing religions deep into the night.

"6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice."

Are you really dank in disguise? After all, dank did a lot of his posting from his phone just like you.

Smiley
legendary
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April 23, 2015, 02:19:05 PM
Scientific proof that god doesn't exist:

An essentially conjoined esophagus and trachea. How in the world is it INTELLIGENT or LOGICAL to combine to pipes that are vital to survival essentially into one input? The very thing we need to do to survive (eat) can cause us not to be able to do the essentially only other thing we need to do to survive (breathe).

Seems like a major design flaw if we were intelligently created. Which then infer that our creator maybe isn't so perfect. Nature and evolution on the other hand would take the simplest path it can to form our systems; which would result in reusing what it can.

That doesn't disprove god. God could of started evolution and then stood back and watched what happened.


Well it would completely dispel the creation story as known in nearly all religions.

Believing in god and believing in religion are completely different things.


I think they're wholly linked. Religion is based on the worship of a god. In the Christian religion for example, if we can delink the creation story from any direct intelligent creation, would that not essentially deflate the entire structure of the religion? At least the parts that maintain any divine intervention. What did god do other than create man and the world? Essentially nothing.

Merriam-Webster expressly defines religion as believing in and worshiping a god.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion


Buddhist and the like are technically atheist; nor is it a religion. Misguided individual may think it is, but by definition it is not.  

Well it is possible to believe god, but not believe in a religion.
newbie
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April 23, 2015, 02:11:22 PM
Scientific proof that god doesn't exist:

An essentially conjoined esophagus and trachea. How in the world is it INTELLIGENT or LOGICAL to combine to pipes that are vital to survival essentially into one input? The very thing we need to do to survive (eat) can cause us not to be able to do the essentially only other thing we need to do to survive (breathe).

Seems like a major design flaw if we were intelligently created. Which then infer that our creator maybe isn't so perfect. Nature and evolution on the other hand would take the simplest path it can to form our systems; which would result in reusing what it can.

That doesn't disprove god. God could of started evolution and then stood back and watched what happened.


Well it would completely dispel the creation story as known in nearly all religions.

Believing in god and believing in religion are completely different things.


I think they're wholly linked. Religion is based on the worship of a god. In the Christian religion for example, if we can delink the creation story from any direct intelligent creation, would that not essentially deflate the entire structure of the religion? At least the parts that maintain any divine intervention. What did god do other than create man and the world? Essentially nothing.

Merriam-Webster expressly defines religion as believing in and worshiping a god.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion


Buddhist and the like are technically atheist; nor is it a religion. Misguided individual may think it is, but by definition it is not.  
legendary
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April 23, 2015, 01:00:11 PM
There are thousands of religions being practiced today. Here are 20 of the most popular, along with an estimate of the number of followers from census data:

...


And here are a couple of the weakest ones, so weak that they aren't usually even understood to be religions:
science (in the broader sense)
atheism

As you know full well, we all established months ago neither of these are religions. Why do keep lying all the time?
I can only concluded that somehow you've picked up the fanciful idea that wrongly placing them in the religious category somehow makes them easier for you to attack.
full member
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April 23, 2015, 12:56:38 PM
There are thousands of religions being practiced today. Here are 20 of the most popular, along with an estimate of the number of followers from census data:

...


And here are a couple of the weakest ones, so weak that they aren't usually even understood to be religions:
science (in the broader sense)
atheism

The god of both of these religions is man. What an ignorant god man is, especially when he practices these two religions while not understanding that they are religions, and that he is the god of these religions.

Smiley

Let's see... to make this post you had to use some sort of electronic device... which was made by man and developed through electronic science, materials science, computer science, and physics. If you are using something so clearly made possible by science and directly made by man, then you are practically worshiping an idol of this scientific "religion",

"Thou shalt not put false gods before me"

Looks like you're going to hell, mate!  Grin
legendary
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April 23, 2015, 12:32:17 PM
There are thousands of religions being practiced today. Here are 20 of the most popular, along with an estimate of the number of followers from census data:

...


And here are a couple of the weakest ones, so weak that they aren't usually even understood to be religions:
science (in the broader sense)
atheism

The god of both of these religions is man. What an ignorant god man is, especially when he practices these two religions while not understanding that they are religions, and that he is the god of these religions.

Smiley

Neither atheism nor science are religions because they do not meet the definitional criteria of a religon.  You're going off into fantasy-land again.

Atheism literally means "lack of belief in God," so it's just stupid to say that "the god of these religions is man."  You're even further off-base with regards to science, which isn't even a belief system whatsoever; it's a method.
legendary
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April 23, 2015, 12:25:57 PM
Both sides are presenting the same argument that eventually leads to what we deem "theory"

Are they fuck the same argument. You're simply demonstrating your ignorance about the meaning of the scientific term, 'Theory'.

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A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation.

A scientific theory is rooted in an hypothesis which is still considerably superior a starting point as it requires a reasonable basis for formulating it in the first place.

The theist 'theory' you are alluding as being equal to that which is borne of objective processes, is the layman's meaning of the word, 'theory', which is equal to, "Hey, I have a theory about [insert arbitrary claim here]". Which is not at all the same thing and is usually less a sound theory and more wild speculation.


"Well-substantiated" doesn't mean fact. Often the "well-substantiated"ness of a theory is something that only the proponents of that theory can understand. And it comes about by belief rather than by observing all kinds of opposite and potentially opposite ideas, that would be theories of strength - maybe even fact - if only the theorists had a desire to make the opposites into theory.

Theory has its place. It's called the fictional stepping stones into reality... provided it is proven. If it isn't proven, it remains theory, and is relegated to the realms of fiction, mostly science fiction.

The evidence I set forth in https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395 produce fact in the minds of those who don't want to simply ignore them because they have the desire to ignore God.

Smiley

A theory is simply a description of something.  If you open a dictionary and read the definition of "apple," the definition is a theoretical understanding of the apple. The same applies to all other definitions.

Your belief that God exists is also a theory due to its descriptiveness.

Further still, all facts are theories.  However, not all theories are facts.
legendary
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April 23, 2015, 12:07:06 PM
Both sides are presenting the same argument that eventually leads to what we deem "theory"

Are they fuck the same argument. You're simply demonstrating your ignorance about the meaning of the scientific term, 'Theory'.

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A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation.

A scientific theory is rooted in an hypothesis which is still considerably superior a starting point as it requires a reasonable basis for formulating it in the first place.

The theist 'theory' you are alluding as being equal to that which is borne of objective processes, is the layman's meaning of the word, 'theory', which is equal to, "Hey, I have a theory about [insert arbitrary claim here]". Which is not at all the same thing and is usually less a sound theory and more wild speculation.


"Well-substantiated" doesn't mean fact. Often the "well-substantiated"ness of a theory is something that only the proponents of that theory can understand. And it comes about by belief rather than by observing all kinds of opposite and potentially opposite ideas, that would be theories of strength - maybe even fact - if only the theorists had a desire to make the opposites into theory.

Theory has its place. It's called the fictional stepping stones into reality... provided it is proven. If it isn't proven, it remains theory, and is relegated to the realms of fiction, mostly science fiction.

The evidence I set forth in https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395 produce fact in the minds of those who don't want to simply ignore them because they have the desire to ignore God.

Smiley
legendary
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April 23, 2015, 11:57:45 AM
There are thousands of religions being practiced today. Here are 20 of the most popular, along with an estimate of the number of followers from census data:

...


And here are a couple of the weakest ones, so weak that they aren't usually even understood to be religions:
science (in the broader sense)
atheism

The god of both of these religions is man. What an ignorant god man is, especially when he practices these two religions while not understanding that they are religions, and that he is the god of these religions.

Smiley
legendary
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April 23, 2015, 11:45:48 AM
There are thousands of religions being practiced today. Here are 20 of the most popular, along with an estimate of the number of followers from census data:

Christianity: 2.1 billion
Islam: 1.3 billion
Hinduism: 900 million
Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
Buddhism: 376 million
African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
Sikhism: 23 million
Juche: 19 million
Spiritism: 15 million
Judaism: 14 million
Baha'i: 7 million
Jainism: 4.2 million
Shinto: 4 million
Cao Dai: 4 million
Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
Tenrikyo: 2 million
Neo-Paganism: 1 million
Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
Scientology: 500 thousand
Pastafarianism: (my favorate) 20 thousand

If you believe in God, you have chosen to reject Allah, Vishnu, Budda, Waheguru and all of the thousands of other gods that people believe in today. It is quite likely that you rejected these other gods without ever looking into their religions or reading their books. You simply absorbed the dominant faith in your home or in the society you grew up in.

The followers of all these other religions have chosen to reject your God and you reject theirs. You think their gods are imaginary, and they think your God is imaginary.

In other words, each religious person on earth today arbitrarily rejects thousands of gods as imaginary, many of which they have never even heard of, and arbitrarily chooses to "believe" in one of them. Sounds like they might all be bullshit, huh.
legendary
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April 23, 2015, 11:23:15 AM
Scientific proof that god doesn't exist:

An essentially conjoined esophagus and trachea. How in the world is it INTELLIGENT or LOGICAL to combine to pipes that are vital to survival essentially into one input? The very thing we need to do to survive (eat) can cause us not to be able to do the essentially only other thing we need to do to survive (breathe).

Seems like a major design flaw if we were intelligently created. Which then infer that our creator maybe isn't so perfect. Nature and evolution on the other hand would take the simplest path it can to form our systems; which would result in reusing what it can.

That doesn't disprove god. God could of started evolution and then stood back and watched what happened.


Well it would completely dispel the creation story as known in nearly all religions.

Of course, that's why the religious folk go all funny when evolution is mentioned.
Believing in god and believing in religion are completely different things.
legendary
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April 23, 2015, 11:19:33 AM
Scientific proof that god doesn't exist:

An essentially conjoined esophagus and trachea. How in the world is it INTELLIGENT or LOGICAL to combine to pipes that are vital to survival essentially into one input? The very thing we need to do to survive (eat) can cause us not to be able to do the essentially only other thing we need to do to survive (breathe).

Seems like a major design flaw if we were intelligently created. Which then infer that our creator maybe isn't so perfect. Nature and evolution on the other hand would take the simplest path it can to form our systems; which would result in reusing what it can.

Intelligent Design is not inverse to Evolution.  Accordingly, proving either to be true does not implicate the other to be false.
newbie
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April 23, 2015, 11:02:55 AM
Scientific proof that god doesn't exist:

An essentially conjoined esophagus and trachea. How in the world is it INTELLIGENT or LOGICAL to combine to pipes that are vital to survival essentially into one input? The very thing we need to do to survive (eat) can cause us not to be able to do the essentially only other thing we need to do to survive (breathe).

Seems like a major design flaw if we were intelligently created. Which then infer that our creator maybe isn't so perfect. Nature and evolution on the other hand would take the simplest path it can to form our systems; which would result in reusing what it can.

That doesn't disprove god. God could of started evolution and then stood back and watched what happened.


Well it would completely dispel the creation story as known in nearly all religions.
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