Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 355. (Read 845571 times)

Were you going to get around to making a response that's actually relevant to what I said?  But hey, if you think that misunderstanding an argument and then defeating your own misunderstanding makes you the winner, then by all means keep it up.

You see this sentence that you quoted as if I wrote it?:


Yeah... I didn't say that. Actually, I didn't even say anything close to it.  So why the hell are you quoting me as such?

What I actually said was:


Notice the extraordinary difference?  You just wasted your entire post attacking a point of view you invented.  Yeah, you sure showed me...

By the way, the FSM is a totally invalid analogy.  If you would stop thinking that you know something you clearly don't, you would learn why.  I'm busy, and I don't have the time to hold your hand and walk you through the basics.  I used to make it a habit to respond with proper consideration to anyone's argument no matter how poor it may be, but I'm really starting to grow tired of that.  There are plenty of people who understand things such as sound inference and the limitations of various exploratory methods, and they're much more likely to get something out of the conversation.

(Red colorization mine.)

The easter bunny was inspired for one thing to make money out of religious holiday. 

Wow, it's like watching children argue over where the Easter bunny lives. I just can't imagine living in such a demon haunted world.

Bu, bu, but, but.... It's the way you interpret it.

Homosexuality, since being studied from the 1960s, is a natural and very common occurrence in almost every specie on Earth. In humanity, males are strict in their sexual attractions(Tend to be either Gay or Straight, though a new study shows that bisexual males do exist, but are rarer than the other two orientations), and that females are fluid in their sexual attractions with studies throughout the decades(since alfred kinsey) showing that females, regardless of their identifying orientation, all present a bisexual nature of attraction.

This goes against what's presented in the Bible, why? Because the bible is wrong, not holy, and was created specifically as a "lawbook" most likely, for the Israelites, Unfortunately, we today take it legitimately, but if we are to cherrypick some parts of the bible such as what BADecker does, then we must also listen to the other atrocities commanded by God in the bible such as:

1) "Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." (Numbers 31:16-18)

- In that quote from the Bible, God promotes the killing of innocents, while also promoting Pedophilia by keeping the women Children(notice children) alive. So now we know that the God of the bible promotes not just violence, but pedophilia(or hebephilia, depends on the age of the children, though I presume children are below the age of 12).


2) "And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and woman: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house." (Ezekiel 9:5-6)

- Here, god gives the command to kill innocents yet again, simply because they do not believe him. Mass genocide anyone? You can even compare the God of the bible to Adolf Hitler by this point.


Those are only two quotes I took from the bible(There are hundreds of other atrocities in there commanded by "God", if you're interested). This shows that not only is "God" from the bible evil in some respects, but also that if you listen and believe in the bible and define yourself as such, such as BADecker does, then you cannot cherrypick which parts you will listen to. Did you ever read the Laws of Moses BADecker, where there are laws that promote the stoning of your wife should she ever cheat, or the killing of a priest for drinking wine? Yea.


It's so sad to see people so foolishly manipulated by things they don't even fully know... It just shows humanity has not progressed far enough to trluy create a world of peace and love, without the need to abide by a book that largely promotes death, intolerance, and ignorance.

Swing and a miss, fella. Arguments for and against empiricism and rationalism tend to ignore the fact that both are applicable and useful tools of developing an understanding our Universe. I take umbrage with your grindingly clunky assertion above, as you simply cannot with any intellectual honesty, boldly start any premise with "Since it is practical to equate reality as a mental construct . . .therefore God"

Consider for a moment the fact that reality for us is a mental construct, but it isn't for the myriad scientific equipment we have built which is capable of observing/measuring the reality which exists outside our 'mental construct'. Unless you want to claim the Large Hadron Collider to be a sentient being of course.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Plus intellectual honesty and integrity.

None of our technological devices are capable of measuring for a god because god exists within our imagination and is blindly asserted as real by people overwhelmed by their Almighty Imagination beyond their existing capability for intellectual honesty and integrity.

You may defend the notion of the existence of a god with exactly the same vim and vigour that could be applied to the Flying Spaghetti Monster. But don't pretend it holds any more value or validity than anything else arbitrarily stated to be real. If the FSM is lacking in any regards to the 'God' with a capital G, then you are simply to attribute the same characteristics to the FSM that would otherwise be applied to your 'God', at will. Or Harry Potter for that matter. Or, well, anything else you care to imagine.

Who knows for sure what he thought, but, too many "homos" don't think that they are sinners. He was probably simply showing the homos that they are sinners, as well. So it would have been only a clarification.

Often the dividing line between prejudice and bigotry isn't very clear. One might say that homosexual sinners are prejudiced against Christian sinners, or vice versa. And there are bigots in both groups as well.

The thing that is interesting is that usually it is the homosexual sinners that jump immediately into accusations of bigotry against the Christian sinners, almost as though they are throwing up a wall of protection from some unseen foe, because, while there might be accusations on the Christian sinners side, such accusations come from desires for change among homosexual sinners, so that good can come to homosexual sinners as it is coming to the Christian sinners.

lol. I'm not the one that believes in fairy tales, no matter who inspired them, whether it be God, Satan or Mother Goose. (Although I really do like the ones by Dr. Seuss.)

BTW, WTF are these "false bibles" you are talking about? Does the pope read from a 'true' or 'false' bible? Are some of the bibles you find in any catholic/christian church 'false bibles'? How can anyone tell the difference?

You didn't answer my earlier questions either. Why did you feel the need to differentiate between 'homos' and 'sinners'? Doesn't your (I assume, god inspired) bible identify homosexuality as a sin? So, wouldn't it be enough to just lump them in with the rest of the sinners? That's ok, you don't really need to answer that, we all know you were just exercising your inalienable right to be a bigot. Right? Which, isn't a sin? This god stuff is so confusing for us guys with no brains. Luckily we have geniuses like you reading the 'true' bibles, 'praying for us' and being the good christians you obviously are, informing us of how brainless we are.

First you need to prove to me it hasn't been "tampered" with by man over the centuries.

Read the bible then you will understand

If god Inspired man to write the bible, Then why not Satan inspired man to write false bibles.  You guys have no brains.

read the article, to pray for sinners is not condemning nor judging.

dont 4get There all sorts of religions

I don't understand how if we disproved the big bang, this in anyway proves god?
Oh and please keep your insecure homophobic views to yourself.

There is no way to prove scientifically something you can't see, touch, observe. Science is only applicable to what can be tested, and not simply theorized upon, or what takes faith to believe.

500 years from, religion will probably cease to exist in the minds of the majority and we'll finally have a world that isn't divided by stupid belief systems that create violence and intolerance... Makes me wish sometimes that I was born then.

You're using your messiah complex to reach the conclusion that they need prayer to be saved.  You don't think using derogatory language and then condemning someone to hell if they don't pray is slamming? 

The bible is one of the most violent religious books in history. The "god" of the bible promotes the killing of women, children, and men for trivial things.

I'm sorry, but the bible is just a bunch of bullcrap. Everyone here should really research the laws of moses, or just google it and check for yourself if you have an extra bible with you. It'll show you all the insane violence promoted by "god".

I'm curious as to why you felt the need to differentiate between 'homos' and 'sinners'. Doesn't your bible identify homosexuality as a sin? I didn't realize it was elevated to some special class of (inhuman) evil.

how is prayer slamming