Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 358. (Read 845654 times)

It's a nice just-so story, but since I am only interested in TRUTH, I will definitely be evaluating all information that comes my way, no matter the source.

If only you could share my perspective on finding truth, then we would be in agreement about the definition of "exploration".

If it is OK with you, why are you calling my truth a lie?

In the Bible, Jesus never said, "read it all and discern in wisdom of knowledge".

He may have said it in your hearing. Or you may be deluding yourself. Until Jesus returns coming in the clouds, the only Word of God that we have is what is written in the Bible.

The only exception to this is that the Bible scholars who compiled the Bible at the Council of Nicea, may have missed a piece of the Word of God that they should have included in the writings of the Bible. The writings that were intentionally left out, were left out because they don't match the traditional Hebrew Old Testament.

You are so good. As far as I know, Jesus never said the following:
There are reasons why, as far as I know, Jesus never said those things. Some of the reasons are:
1. I don't recall hearing Him say those things;
2. They aren't recorded in the Bible that way;
3. That I know of, Jesus never wrote or spoke English.

The other side of that is, I don't know that Jesus did NOT say those things. Jesus knows all things. He knows English. He may have said those things in English outside of my hearing. He may have said them in English to me, but I just don't remember that He said them to me. The point is, Jesus MAY have said those things in English.

Why should I believe you when you say that Jesus never said those things?

Another thing Jesus never said that I know of is, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me." I don't know that Jesus ever said this. I don't know that He didn't. Why? Because I don't know that Jesus ever spoke English. But I don't know that He didn't speak English, either.

"I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me," is a translation of one of the things that He spoke in Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic. It has come to us through the Greek writings in the real New Testament, the Greek New Testament.

The point is, the gist of what Jesus said can be found in the translation of Jesus' words written as, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me." Jesus is the only way to get to the Father. Jesus is the only way to get to Heaven.

To summarize what I am trying to say here, you may know that Jesus speaks English. You may have heard him speak English to you. Great. That's for you. Until He speaks English directly to anyone, all they have is the Bible.

Do you want to believe the Journals are writings from God? That's okay with me. You might even be right for you. But until Jesus speaks anything directly to me, the Word of God as written in the Bible is the closest I will come to hearing Him.

Human activity is involved in practically all things on Earth; God says "read it all and discern in wisdom of knowledge". The only heavenly book is called the "Book of God's Remembrance" or "Akashic records" (mentioned in Journal 12).

Jesus never said
"I, Jesus, am the way".
"I, Jesus, am the truth".
"I, Jesus, am the life".


Anyway, these verses are explained "you know where"... and it makes sense!!

You know the right interpretation for a fact?
Then prove it.

No, He may not have said it exactly like that. But He did say, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me."

What are you saying? Are you saying that the Journals come to you out of thin air? Are you saying that they magically appear? Do you mean that there isn't any human activity involved in the writing of them?

The Unification Church of South Korea, where the Reverend Sun Myung Moon claimed to be the returned Jesus Christ, had this same idea years ago (1954). Well, he died on September 3, 2012 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_Church) showing that he wasn't Jesus Christ. What do you have that is better?

Jesus never said
"I, Jesus, am the only way to salvation".

Anyway, these verses are explained "you know where"... and it makes sense!!

You know the right interpretation for a fact?
Then prove it.

You prefer man's interpretation in any case. I have not seen any proof of the Bible's integrity or that the Journals are not the WORD.

That's why the Bible translators study as hard as they can to get the interpretation correct when they translate and if they paraphrase.

Here is how. There isn't any "your truth" or my truth. There is only truth.

The truth that is the Bible is evidenced over and over, not only in the number of people it has touched, but also in that it makes sense. The biggest truth in the Bible is in Jesus Christ and the salvation He provides.

When the people asked Jesus what they were supposed to do to do the works of God, Jesus' answer was, "The work of God is this, to believe on the one that He [God] has sent." In other words, even though the Law is not nullified, it is also totally useless for giving people salvation to life after the resurrection, without believing in Jesus, the Christ.

The meaning of Christ's words depends on the criteria used to interpret them.

God does not limit our investigation into truth because God dwells within the temple which is you.


How can you judge my truth when you have not read it?


I have no religion save for TRUTH.

Your Bible is difficult enough; I sought out Christ and found him in Phoenix Journals.

Just as an example to your twisted words, you take some joker you call "Christ," someone who is not the Jesus of the Bible, and you make sure he doesn't say the stuff listed, and then you say he never said.

Meanwhile, most of the rest of us naturally think that you are talking about the Christ of the Bible.

So when we object, you say goofy stuff like, "No, no, he never did, he never did." And you are right as you twist to deceive us and anybody else you can into chasing after you, so that they will ultimately give you their money somewhere along the line... even if it is only for purchasing hard copies of you Phoenix Journals. Maybe your Christ never said that stuff. But it is a different thing with the Christ of the Bible.

 

In my opinion, I discern that there is more clear and literal wisdom in Phoenix Journals than in the Bible...


Do you, BADecker, have any clue that truth could be found outside of your Bible?

Wrong! God limits all kinds of investigation into certain kinds of truth. The truth God limits investigation into is the truth of the devil in witchcraft and sorcery, and even as a medium. Just look through books 2 thru 5 in the Bible. It is listed several times by God's Word through Moses.

If you are right that the Phoenix Journals claim that they are, or contain, the Word of God, then you better make sure that they are taking that Word directly from the Bible and expressing it that way. If you don't, you are entering into sorcery and witchcraft. In addition, haven't part of the PJs been dictated through automatic writing? Right there, if it is so, there is mediumship, a kind of investigation that is prohibited by God.

Wake up before you take yourself to Hell.

There you go again, saying that I said, knowing that I didn't say what you said I said. I didn't say that the Phoenix Journals are a lie. I said that if the Phoenix Journals say that they are the Word of God, and if they don't at least have some of the Word of God from the Bible in them, or that they don't at least have some "missed" Word of God from the ancient past in them, then they are not the Word of God. I don't need to know what they say. I don't care what they say. The fact that you claim that they are at least in part the Word of God, shows that YOU are the liar, if they don't have the Word of God from the Bible in them.

Nobody who is looking for God needs the Phoenix Journals. Why not. Because they already have the Word of God in the Bible. Get the Word straight from the only place that has It written well, the Bible.

If you are looking for other things - not the Word of God - maybe you can find them in the Phoenix Journals. But that wasn't what this topic was all about. So, dump the Phoenix Journals. You don't need them for finding God. More than likely they will mix you all up if you are looking for God.

I will not let you re-define the word "exploration", BADecker; you and I both understand that one can only evaluate information by engaging with it.

Your book is the only one (truth) that should be explored?


Here you are again,
saying that you know Phoenix Journals are a lie
when it is already known that you have no idea
about anything contained in those writings.