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September 27, 2014, 06:59:29 PM
C'mon dick.. waha gotta say now, that god will forsake me for you, I got the right to kill you just for your antagonistic claims that said such.. Puuuuuuuuusyyyyyyyyyyyyy,,,,
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September 27, 2014, 06:57:26 PM
Difference between me n everybody else? Egma - dont have to be jesus.. (tune!! fuck BADecker, he ant got a fuckin clue.. like i do yol;l...

Am no just forgettin the advertisin, but the fuckin trailer Wink
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September 27, 2014, 05:53:46 PM
Problem is everyone is so busy trying to prove they are right or wrong they miss the whole boat.

Yes, the boat called Spaceship Earth.

What golden rule are you referring?

Any of them. The golden rule is the law and the rest is mere interpretation.



To me, the most interesting thing about the Golden Rule is that it is the only known practical, ethical principle to be both objective and subjective in nature, i.e. everyone can follow the exact same rule but the results will not necessarily be the same.   
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September 27, 2014, 04:38:27 PM
Not joking. Science has been aware of parallel universes for years - http://manyuniverses.com/. The material of parallel universes exists in the empty spaces between the protons and electrons of our atoms, as well as any other empty space in our universe. The reason that we don't observe or feel the parallel universes is that they are "out of phase" dimensionally, with our universe. Yet there are places where we almost become "in phase" with some of these universes. The points of in-phase are the areas where two or more of the other universes touch, thereby actually creating the subatomic particles of our universe. And when ours touches andother, we create some subatomic particles of some other universe.

Now, what does this have to do with matter and antimatter? It all lies in the facts of vibrations in the ether. The whole mega-universe is an elastic solid - the ether - made up of all the parallel universes acting in conjunction with all the others, controlled according to dimensional laws. The materials of all the universes are simply vibrations - http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/blogs/physics/2013/08/the-good-vibrations-of-quantum-field-theories/. They are vibrations that come together in ways that give us a thing that we call matter. What scientists have known for years is that antimatter is simply other vibrations that act somewhat opposite from our matter vibrations. There may be many different forms of matter and antimatter throughout the parallel universes.

This, folks, is how you take just a few pieces of scientific fact to make it sound believable, and mix it into scientific bullshit. Parallel universes don't exist in empty spaces of this universe, they are parallel to this universe. And there's no such thing as the ether. We thought there was when we couldn't figure out what light waves traveled through, as all waves need to vibrate through something, but thanks to quantum mechanics we now know things like light can be both a wave and a particle. No need for ether since particles can travel through vacuum.

P.S. stop making shit up based on some scientific things you've overheard that you obviously don't understand the first thing about.

Thanks, Rassah.  Smiley
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September 27, 2014, 02:31:43 PM
we now know things like light can be both a wave and a particle. No need for ether since particles can travel through vacuum.

"The problem of the exact description of vacuum, in my opinion, is the basic problem now before physics. Really, if you can’t correctly describe the vacuum, how it is possible to expect a correct description of something more complex?"
--Paul Dirac
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September 27, 2014, 11:44:35 AM
we now know things like light can be both a wave and a particle. No need for ether since particles can travel through vacuum.

And what is the explanation behind that?

If you dare to think about it (you're not really supposed to), you have to believe one of the following things:
A Lazy Layman's Guide to Quantum Physics

So... have we figured out what is the explanation behind all of that? Parallel universes to infinity?

Bonus QM links (maybe I post some more later!):
“orchestrated objective reduction” identifies discrete conscious moments, explains precognition
Electric permittivity is not constant but rather a function of the local zero point energy vacuum fluctuations
Your existence was predicated on an almost absurdly finely tuned universe
Actually, you don't exist--especially if you are an atheist
> "...an almost absurdly finely tuned universe"
You have no bases whereby you may make such relative determinations for your ignorance of everything else.

> "Actually, you don't exist"
Limakasidian entropism states, "For an absolute tendency to become less orderly, the sum of  existence is absolute entropy."

For that, it cannot be said that anything does not exist, nor that anything does not exist in any particular way.
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September 27, 2014, 09:37:24 AM
I believe in God. I don't think it is essential to have a Scientific proof that God exists.

Everything in science revolves around evidence. Many scientific "facts" have been proven wrong over the years, when other scientific facts proved them wrong.

We don't live in a vacuum. We don't simply pick a fictional thing to believe in, and then simply believe. Rather, we look at the evidence, and when the evidence is not sufficient to be proof, we either believe, or we don't believe. When the evidence becomes so overwhelmingly absolute, we stop believing, because there is proof. We no longer believe. Rather, we know.

This is why the religions almost always talk about faith. It has to do with something for which there is strong evidence. Yet the evidence isn't something that quite makes it to the area of proof.

This is the exact reason why scientific beliefs that old age earth is a fact, and that evolution is a fact, are really religious beliefs. There seems to be strong evidence for these scientific ideas. Yet there isn't enough evidence to make them facts. So, when we hold to them, it is by belief, faith that they are true. This kind of science is essentially religion.

What's interesting is, when you stand science next to God, God is much stronger from a religious point of view, at least regarding the age of the earth and where life comes from.

Smiley

How does god make the Earth being 6000 years old a fact?
And please don't write 50 lines of anti-science stuff. Just show us the evidences.

+1 for that..
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September 27, 2014, 09:27:11 AM
Not joking. Science has been aware of parallel universes for years - http://manyuniverses.com/. The material of parallel universes exists in the empty spaces between the protons and electrons of our atoms, as well as any other empty space in our universe. The reason that we don't observe or feel the parallel universes is that they are "out of phase" dimensionally, with our universe. Yet there are places where we almost become "in phase" with some of these universes. The points of in-phase are the areas where two or more of the other universes touch, thereby actually creating the subatomic particles of our universe. And when ours touches andother, we create some subatomic particles of some other universe.

Now, what does this have to do with matter and antimatter? It all lies in the facts of vibrations in the ether. The whole mega-universe is an elastic solid - the ether - made up of all the parallel universes acting in conjunction with all the others, controlled according to dimensional laws. The materials of all the universes are simply vibrations - http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/blogs/physics/2013/08/the-good-vibrations-of-quantum-field-theories/. They are vibrations that come together in ways that give us a thing that we call matter. What scientists have known for years is that antimatter is simply other vibrations that act somewhat opposite from our matter vibrations. There may be many different forms of matter and antimatter throughout the parallel universes.

This, folks, is how you take just a few pieces of scientific fact to make it sound believable, and mix it into scientific bullshit. Parallel universes don't exist in empty spaces of this universe, they are parallel to this universe. And there's no such thing as the ether. We thought there was when we couldn't figure out what light waves traveled through, as all waves need to vibrate through something, but thanks to quantum mechanics we now know things like light can be both a wave and a particle. No need for ether since particles can travel through vacuum.

P.S. stop making shit up based on some scientific things you've overheard that you obviously don't understand the first thing about.

And there's no such thing as the ether.  ??

May I quote another post you made? 'It's all vibrations in the ether. '

AKA the spirit.

To deny the ether as you have is to deny the spirit, to do so and believe in a bible that teaches nothing but..?? Strange.

And as for 'as all waves need to vibrate through something' then how do you explain what the vibrations passed through, before god became the creator?
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September 27, 2014, 09:19:19 AM
And the only parallel universe's that exist are stuck to the back of old computers or in yer fuckin heid.

Look out the window.

Nuff said

it's worlds WITHIN worlds, just as the bacteria at the back of your throat may consider your body as THAT universe THEY live in.. do they see you as god? Probably not, but YOU ARE the bacteria's universe.
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September 27, 2014, 09:14:16 AM
Kl, thankls, but I've probably collected them all in the 90's before many were removed from online by google, which is no longer a search engine, but a shite catalouge of masonic/jewish brands..


Seriously?!?!?!  That is one bat shit crazy statement.  That it why religion gets a bad name.  Shame on you for those who want to believe in a higher-power.

Hey, just look at BADeckers claims.. all that shit fi a bible, yet by later posts, he is the kinda person hitler would have a field day with.. oh wait.. he's at the confuse and lose stage, where he talks about a lot of un-related shit to hide the fact he's a fuckin jew lover... someone hit him with a bible so he can see the light for real..

And as for google removing reults, this has been going on for years:

Origional plans for the layout of egypts pyramids were available in the 90's, in particular, the plans printed in edinburgh (mcdonald road' printers that got shut down) which are the most comprehensive plans with measurements in inches. Only a third of them are now available, and anything beneath campbells tomb are gone, ya know, the ones that show the massive MAZE under the pyramid(S).. hmmm... good job I saved them back then Wink
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September 27, 2014, 04:17:40 AM
we now know things like light can be both a wave and a particle. No need for ether since particles can travel through vacuum.

And what is the explanation behind that?

If you dare to think about it (you're not really supposed to), you have to believe one of the following things:
A Lazy Layman's Guide to Quantum Physics

So... have we figured out what is the explanation behind all of that? Parallel universes to infinity?

Bonus QM links (maybe I post some more later!):
“orchestrated objective reduction” identifies discrete conscious moments, explains precognition
Electric permittivity is not constant but rather a function of the local zero point energy vacuum fluctuations
Your existence was predicated on an almost absurdly finely tuned universe
Actually, you don't exist--especially if you are an atheist
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September 26, 2014, 11:48:39 PM
Not joking. Science has been aware of parallel universes for years - http://manyuniverses.com/. The material of parallel universes exists in the empty spaces between the protons and electrons of our atoms, as well as any other empty space in our universe. The reason that we don't observe or feel the parallel universes is that they are "out of phase" dimensionally, with our universe. Yet there are places where we almost become "in phase" with some of these universes. The points of in-phase are the areas where two or more of the other universes touch, thereby actually creating the subatomic particles of our universe. And when ours touches andother, we create some subatomic particles of some other universe.

Now, what does this have to do with matter and antimatter? It all lies in the facts of vibrations in the ether. The whole mega-universe is an elastic solid - the ether - made up of all the parallel universes acting in conjunction with all the others, controlled according to dimensional laws. The materials of all the universes are simply vibrations - http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/blogs/physics/2013/08/the-good-vibrations-of-quantum-field-theories/. They are vibrations that come together in ways that give us a thing that we call matter. What scientists have known for years is that antimatter is simply other vibrations that act somewhat opposite from our matter vibrations. There may be many different forms of matter and antimatter throughout the parallel universes.

This, folks, is how you take just a few pieces of scientific fact to make it sound believable, and mix it into scientific bullshit. Parallel universes don't exist in empty spaces of this universe, they are parallel to this universe. And there's no such thing as the ether. We thought there was when we couldn't figure out what light waves traveled through, as all waves need to vibrate through something, but thanks to quantum mechanics we now know things like light can be both a wave and a particle. No need for ether since particles can travel through vacuum.

P.S. stop making shit up based on some scientific things you've overheard that you obviously don't understand the first thing about.
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September 26, 2014, 11:35:44 PM

So why is the "God" that you believe in the right God?  Might you understand the believers in other non-Christian have another God that they believe exists?  We have a lot of "God's" that people of this world of 7 billion people believe in.  Can't we just agree to disagree as to which "higher power" that is???  

In the end, we will all know the answer, or simply end up as worm food.

Because the evidence is way stronger. The Bible came to us through methods that were impossible to have happened. It is improbable to the point of impossibility that something like the Bible could have happened in the way it did. Yet, the Bible is here. To understand this, one needs to examine the history of how the Bible came into being. The point is, Something or Someone very powerful must have guided the Bible into existence.

The rest of the religions are too vague, or else they don't have the strength of Bible text. For example, the Quaran is extremely contradictory. It has a lot of good ideas at different points. But it doesn't match the reality of life overall, whereas the Bible does. Same said for all the various evolution theories that have come and gone over the years, so that the only thing that evolution scientists can agree on is that evolution happened. Other than that, they have nothing that cannot be attributed to multitudes of other theories right along with evolution.

If someone who has studied decides that he doesn't want to accept the Bible as truth, he doesn't have anything else. He can truthfully say, if he doesn't want to accept the Bible, that we just don't know.

Smiley

You do realize that there are at least 1.62 billion people (23% of the world's population) that disagrees with you on this.  You must be really smart!
However, he is riding the larger bandwagon. Wink

Actually, it is kinda smart to agree with God rather than be against Him.  Smiley

You make a good point.  I am sure everyone here will look to "a God" when their time comes.  I know I likely will.

In the interim, know that it pisses people off when you get on the "My God is more real than your God" rants.  At the end of the day, none of us really knows.  Believe what you want to believe - Just don't be a dick about it.
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September 26, 2014, 10:18:35 PM

So why is the "God" that you believe in the right God?  Might you understand the believers in other non-Christian have another God that they believe exists?  We have a lot of "God's" that people of this world of 7 billion people believe in.  Can't we just agree to disagree as to which "higher power" that is???  

In the end, we will all know the answer, or simply end up as worm food.

Because the evidence is way stronger. The Bible came to us through methods that were impossible to have happened. It is improbable to the point of impossibility that something like the Bible could have happened in the way it did. Yet, the Bible is here. To understand this, one needs to examine the history of how the Bible came into being. The point is, Something or Someone very powerful must have guided the Bible into existence.

The rest of the religions are too vague, or else they don't have the strength of Bible text. For example, the Quaran is extremely contradictory. It has a lot of good ideas at different points. But it doesn't match the reality of life overall, whereas the Bible does. Same said for all the various evolution theories that have come and gone over the years, so that the only thing that evolution scientists can agree on is that evolution happened. Other than that, they have nothing that cannot be attributed to multitudes of other theories right along with evolution.

If someone who has studied decides that he doesn't want to accept the Bible as truth, he doesn't have anything else. He can truthfully say, if he doesn't want to accept the Bible, that we just don't know.

Smiley

You do realize that there are at least 1.62 billion people (23% of the world's population) that disagrees with you on this.  You must be really smart!
However, he is riding the larger bandwagon. Wink

Actually, it is kinda smart to agree with God rather than be against Him.  Smiley
That's what they say.
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September 26, 2014, 10:13:25 PM

So why is the "God" that you believe in the right God?  Might you understand the believers in other non-Christian have another God that they believe exists?  We have a lot of "God's" that people of this world of 7 billion people believe in.  Can't we just agree to disagree as to which "higher power" that is???  

In the end, we will all know the answer, or simply end up as worm food.

Because the evidence is way stronger. The Bible came to us through methods that were impossible to have happened. It is improbable to the point of impossibility that something like the Bible could have happened in the way it did. Yet, the Bible is here. To understand this, one needs to examine the history of how the Bible came into being. The point is, Something or Someone very powerful must have guided the Bible into existence.

The rest of the religions are too vague, or else they don't have the strength of Bible text. For example, the Quaran is extremely contradictory. It has a lot of good ideas at different points. But it doesn't match the reality of life overall, whereas the Bible does. Same said for all the various evolution theories that have come and gone over the years, so that the only thing that evolution scientists can agree on is that evolution happened. Other than that, they have nothing that cannot be attributed to multitudes of other theories right along with evolution.

If someone who has studied decides that he doesn't want to accept the Bible as truth, he doesn't have anything else. He can truthfully say, if he doesn't want to accept the Bible, that we just don't know.

Smiley

You do realize that there are at least 1.62 billion people (23% of the world's population) that disagrees with you on this.  You must be really smart!
However, he is riding the larger bandwagon. Wink

Actually, it is kinda smart to agree with God rather than be against Him.  Smiley
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September 26, 2014, 09:37:08 PM

So why is the "God" that you believe in the right God?  Might you understand the believers in other non-Christian have another God that they believe exists?  We have a lot of "God's" that people of this world of 7 billion people believe in.  Can't we just agree to disagree as to which "higher power" that is???  

In the end, we will all know the answer, or simply end up as worm food.

Because the evidence is way stronger. The Bible came to us through methods that were impossible to have happened. It is improbable to the point of impossibility that something like the Bible could have happened in the way it did. Yet, the Bible is here. To understand this, one needs to examine the history of how the Bible came into being. The point is, Something or Someone very powerful must have guided the Bible into existence.

The rest of the religions are too vague, or else they don't have the strength of Bible text. For example, the Quaran is extremely contradictory. It has a lot of good ideas at different points. But it doesn't match the reality of life overall, whereas the Bible does. Same said for all the various evolution theories that have come and gone over the years, so that the only thing that evolution scientists can agree on is that evolution happened. Other than that, they have nothing that cannot be attributed to multitudes of other theories right along with evolution.

If someone who has studied decides that he doesn't want to accept the Bible as truth, he doesn't have anything else. He can truthfully say, if he doesn't want to accept the Bible, that we just don't know.

Smiley

You do realize that there are at least 1.62 billion people (23% of the world's population) that disagrees with you on this.  You must be really smart!
However, he is riding the larger bandwagon. Wink
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September 26, 2014, 09:33:53 PM

So why is the "God" that you believe in the right God?  Might you understand the believers in other non-Christian have another God that they believe exists?  We have a lot of "God's" that people of this world of 7 billion people believe in.  Can't we just agree to disagree as to which "higher power" that is???  

In the end, we will all know the answer, or simply end up as worm food.

Because the evidence is way stronger. The Bible came to us through methods that were impossible to have happened. It is improbable to the point of impossibility that something like the Bible could have happened in the way it did. Yet, the Bible is here. To understand this, one needs to examine the history of how the Bible came into being. The point is, Something or Someone very powerful must have guided the Bible into existence.

The rest of the religions are too vague, or else they don't have the strength of Bible text. For example, the Quaran is extremely contradictory. It has a lot of good ideas at different points. But it doesn't match the reality of life overall, whereas the Bible does. Same said for all the various evolution theories that have come and gone over the years, so that the only thing that evolution scientists can agree on is that evolution happened. Other than that, they have nothing that cannot be attributed to multitudes of other theories right along with evolution.

If someone who has studied decides that he doesn't want to accept the Bible as truth, he doesn't have anything else. He can truthfully say, if he doesn't want to accept the Bible, that we just don't know.

Smiley

You do realize that there are at least 1.62 billion people (23% of the world's population) that disagrees with you on this.  You must be really smart!
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September 26, 2014, 08:32:32 PM

Matter and anti-matter are simply some infantile thinkings that scientists will grow out of if people happen to last for another 500 years.

Smiley

Are you joking? We have antimatter. We have been able to make it and collect it, in actual physical form.

Not joking. Science has been aware of parallel universes for years - http://manyuniverses.com/. The material of parallel universes exists in the empty spaces between the protons and electrons of our atoms, as well as any other empty space in our universe. The reason that we don't observe or feel the parallel universes is that they are "out of phase" dimensionally, with our universe. Yet there are places where we almost become "in phase" with some of these universes. The points of in-phase are the areas where two or more of the other universes touch, thereby actually creating the subatomic particles of our universe. And when ours touches andother, we create some subatomic particles of some other universe.

Now, what does this have to do with matter and antimatter? It all lies in the facts of vibrations in the ether. The whole mega-universe is an elastic solid - the ether - made up of all the parallel universes acting in conjunction with all the others, controlled according to dimensional laws. The materials of all the universes are simply vibrations - http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/blogs/physics/2013/08/the-good-vibrations-of-quantum-field-theories/. They are vibrations that come together in ways that give us a thing that we call matter. What scientists have known for years is that antimatter is simply other vibrations that act somewhat opposite from our matter vibrations. There may be many different forms of matter and antimatter throughout the parallel universes.

To say it straight forward, there isn't any matter, or antimatter for that matter (pun intended). It's all vibrations in the ether. There is neither substance nor size to the vibrations. There is simply vibrations.

Smiley
Rational intelligibility is begotten of congruence within this absolute entropy.

Absolutely important entropy.  Smiley
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September 26, 2014, 07:19:22 PM

Matter and anti-matter are simply some infantile thinkings that scientists will grow out of if people happen to last for another 500 years.

Smiley

Are you joking? We have antimatter. We have been able to make it and collect it, in actual physical form.

Not joking. Science has been aware of parallel universes for years - http://manyuniverses.com/. The material of parallel universes exists in the empty spaces between the protons and electrons of our atoms, as well as any other empty space in our universe. The reason that we don't observe or feel the parallel universes is that they are "out of phase" dimensionally, with our universe. Yet there are places where we almost become "in phase" with some of these universes. The points of in-phase are the areas where two or more of the other universes touch, thereby actually creating the subatomic particles of our universe. And when ours touches andother, we create some subatomic particles of some other universe.

Now, what does this have to do with matter and antimatter? It all lies in the facts of vibrations in the ether. The whole mega-universe is an elastic solid - the ether - made up of all the parallel universes acting in conjunction with all the others, controlled according to dimensional laws. The materials of all the universes are simply vibrations - http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/blogs/physics/2013/08/the-good-vibrations-of-quantum-field-theories/. They are vibrations that come together in ways that give us a thing that we call matter. What scientists have known for years is that antimatter is simply other vibrations that act somewhat opposite from our matter vibrations. There may be many different forms of matter and antimatter throughout the parallel universes.

To say it straight forward, there isn't any matter, or antimatter for that matter (pun intended). It's all vibrations in the ether. There is neither substance nor size to the vibrations. There is simply vibrations.

Smiley
Rational intelligibility is begotten of congruence within this absolute entropy.
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September 26, 2014, 03:03:02 PM
Problem is everyone is so busy trying to prove they are right or wrong they miss the whole boat.

Yes, the boat called Spaceship Earth.

What golden rule are you referring?

Any of them. The golden rule is the law and the rest is mere interpretation.


they missed the boat when they created the concept of a "lie".  and differentiated it from deception.

Wait, who is 'they'?
Everyone??
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