Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 471. (Read 845809 times)

That pic is stupid
Before any mountain appeared you could have drawn the same thing with "atoms -> xxx -> xxx -> mountains"
That doesn't mean someone actually built them

You can trust whatever you want, but this pic is meaningless

You have faith in a book some people wrote thousands of years ago
I have faith in uranium datation

I don't get why you think the uranium results are wrong though

This !!!   

The evidence is/lies in the strength of the witnesses, whose strength lies in in the writings of Moses, whose credibility for at least using strong supernatural power is built around strong tradition of a whole nation of people who are very traditionally minded, and very precision-accurate when transcribing their religious books that contain their traditional-national beliefs, strongly holding that these traditions are true.

Fact is fact. Proof is something else. All we have, either in science or religion is evidence. If you examine the strength of tradition in the Jewish religion as a science, you will find that THAT evidence overcomes any we have in standard science.

Sorry about the many lines.



EDIT: Decky is getting to me. I'm starting to have to erase the second period at the end of the sentences I write.

I allways have to laugh when someones pulls the evolution card and says no-one has proved it till this date. That is such BS, look at virusses and bacteria, the moment they get introduced to a new Antibiotic, the EVOLVE to become immune, and the game continues, that is bulletproof evidence of evolution... Also the distinct changes in animals to adapt to the environment is proof, only less bulletproof

How does god make the Earth being 6000 years old a fact?
And please don't write 50 lines of anti-science stuff. Just show us the evidences.

How does god make the Earth being 6000 years old a fact?
And please don't write 50 lines of anti-science stuff. Just show us the evidences.

Everything in science revolves around evidence. Many scientific "facts" have been proven wrong over the years, when other scientific facts proved them wrong.

We don't live in a vacuum. We don't simply pick a fictional thing to believe in, and then simply believe. Rather, we look at the evidence, and when the evidence is not sufficient to be proof, we either believe, or we don't believe. When the evidence becomes so overwhelmingly absolute, we stop believing, because there is proof. We no longer believe. Rather, we know.

This is why the religions almost always talk about faith. It has to do with something for which there is strong evidence. Yet the evidence isn't something that quite makes it to the area of proof.

This is the exact reason why scientific beliefs that old age earth is a fact, and that evolution is a fact, are really religious beliefs. There seems to be strong evidence for these scientific ideas. Yet there isn't enough evidence to make them facts. So, when we hold to them, it is by belief, faith that they are true. This kind of science is essentially religion.

What's interesting is, when you stand science next to God, God is much stronger from a religious point of view, at least regarding the age of the earth and where life comes from.

I believe in God. I don't think it is essential to have a Scientific proof that God exists.

LOL yep, that sums up religion well.

I just could not resist to post this picture. I think you will find good analogy in it. After all it is worth more than 1000 words:




EDIT: Meh. This image is too small. And I can't find bigger version. Bear with it.

So why is the "God" that you believe in the right God?  Might you understand the believers in other non-Christian have another God that they believe exists?  We have a lot of "God's" that people of this world of 7 billion people believe in.  Can't we just agree to disagree as to which "higher power" that is???  

In the end, we will all know the answer, or simply end up as worm food.

Yet the overall picture is more evidence that God exists. Why? Because people all over the world have gods. In other words, they realize that there is a God. They simply don't have the correct info about Him.

The first two chapters of the Bible may have been handed down right from Adam, who might have written them sometime within the first 930 years after the creation (creation 6,000 years ago; Adam's age at death > 930 years). If they weren't, they were originally written by someone who had recited the information, someone prior to Moses.

Back in those days, when the earth was young, people had good memories, easily a hundred times better than we generally have today. They didn't need books, because info could be passed down, father to son, in exact form, without making any mistakes. But as time went on, as entropy increased, and memories started to be more like they are today, God realized that the record would be lost. So He commissioned Moses to start the writing down of the basics of creation, the general history of the world up to the time of Moses, the beginnings of His favored people, the nation of Israel. Then others were commissioned with recording the history of Israel over the years after the time of Moses.

This whole Bible was written so that people would have a clearer picture of God, so that there would be a place that the nations of the world could go to find out about the God that they know exists, even though they don't know the details about Him. The same is true for the atheists. The atheists can go to the Bible to find out about the true God, rather than simply believing the false god that they believe in.

What!? I thought atheists were people who believe that there isn't any god. So how can you say that they believe in a god? Here's how. Without realizing what they have done, atheists have set their info up as something greater than God's info. This means that they are greater (at least in their own minds) than God. They have effectively set themselves up as god above the Great God Who created everything, simply by denying the truth. Because of this, atheists are some of the most miserable of all the false god believers. They don't even have a hazy picture of the god they believe in. The more primitive peoples at least have idols that they envision God to be like.

Kl, thankls, but I've probably collected them all in the 90's before many were removed from online by google, which is no longer a search engine, but a shite catalouge of masonic/jewish brands..