Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 501. (Read 845834 times)

Yes, it is different. Older, unknown author, riddled with contradictions, but still just a book. Written by humans, for their [authors] benefit, certainly not for yours

Let's pretend Harry Potter book was written 1000’s of years ago. Author now forgotten. Would it still stay as fiction?

No, I don't believe it would. It's as if time and obscurity makes it true.

I appreciate what your saying, but you refer everything to a christian god, providing no evidence from other non- 'god-like' scources, and only quoting scriptures by adaption.. most can probably tell you know quite a bit, if not all your book by heart.. I started reading the bible, and stopped when I realised how dangerous it is.. this was nothing more than my natural instinct.. perhaps am evil?

Am I like what you call a "bible basher?" I don't want to be. I am simply throwing out some info, perhaps enticing, perhaps trying to convince. God, Himself doesn't work forcefully with people. Jesus and St. Paul didn't do more than inform briefly, and only after people started asking questions did they get into details.

Dinae take this the wrong way, but if there was a god, in my opinion, 'it' is ytolan.

Another wee story while I remember.. sitting in the rose bar in rose street, incidently paved with the rose of charon.. me n 3 mates, had to put up with this bible basher shoving his opinion onto us whilst we tried to get pissed.. he's waving this book like it was on fire, and it just missed my face, so I took it from him, tore it in half and threw it across the pub.

I could'nt believe it when instead of being kicked out or banned from the pub, the whole pub started clapping..

Seems like your that man, perhaps you should go for a pint, and get drunk until you have no answers, cause only then will you WANT your god.

And I am scientific proof that god exists, prove me wrong right now? I AM eternal, the rest is history

Perhaps I misunderstand what you are saying.

All I am saying is, don't let someone who says he is a Christian, and then shows that at best he is a very weak Christian... don't let him ruin your life, because you have the notion that Christians are going to be good all the time, if there is anything to the Christian religion and the Bible.

Don't let your preconceived notions about what supposed Christian people are going to be like, rob you of your eternal life.

It's such a waste, your life I mean, since you have the ability, yet won't sit down and do the little bit of investigation, and the little bit of applying it to the universe, that it would take to show you that the Bible is different.

What does this have to do with your quoting my point, my point being here was a young person on his own, trying to get on in life.. or at least a mattress.. maybe even a chair.. My gran never went back to church, and denounced the christian faith.. why, read your quote again.

I propose a seminar.. or at least a wee room filled with those that keep this topic going, with interesting comments.. lets see for ourselves the evidence both for and against. I say this, because I have offered to prove the existance of a diety some would call god. After providing the evidence, no one will have any doubt that even god fears what I will show.. and hence the silence with regards to my 'correct' points of view, that many want 'hushed up'.. hence they naysayers.. quite smply, if the devil exists, so does god.. light is his body, but light of the fire, hence the devil, or the ball above our heads, fact is they are two seperate entities in accordance with distance, and scientific fact, one will suck us into the earth to a hell, or one will drag us through space to burn in an even bigger light.

Right or wrong?

Set it up!!! I'll be there..

Still reading that book I see.

Does a Harry Potter book provide anymore evidence of the "flobberworm"? It's mentioned in the book, so it MUST be exist.

Christianity is about people being saved for eternal life. Just because a person is a Christian, doesn't mean he will always be a nice guy (or gal). Some people work at being nice more than other people. Christianity is about saving the believer for eternal life. Not necessarily better people, just more blessed - eternal life.

What is EXTREMELY interesting about this is, if you sit down and thoroughly weigh all the evidence of Bible Christianity against all other information and religion, Bible Christianity provides many times the evidence for the existence of man and the universe than anything else.

My problem with christianity is it's self serving bull.. like this, insignificant, but true wee story..

16 years old, just got first house, nowt to put in it.. git tae barnado's I heard my gran say.. goes to barnado's for furniture.. sorry, your not a christian, we cant help.. FUCK that..

Jesus was killed simply because He allowed His killers to Kill Him. If He had wanted, there would have been nothing to keep Him from stopping them. Jesus is God in human form.

It was a directive and a request of His Father that caused Jesus to allow His killers to kill Him. The reason for His death in the way it happened was to destroy the results of mistake making that people do constantly.

This universe hangs on spiritual things that are far greater than the simple physical things that we see. Although dank and I probably disagree on many things, this is an area that we would probably agree on, that the spiritual things of the universe are as great or greater than the physical.

The spiritual things of the universe require the ETERNAL DEATH AND PUNISHMENT of people for the wrong doing that they do all the time - even the accidental wrong doing. It is simply a law of nature that science wants to ignore as much as they can. And, intentional wrong doing is an affront to the dignity of God, Himself.

Jesus, in the power and love of God, died as an immensely powerful human being, so that He could take the "punishment" that was required by the natural spiritual nature of the universe, for the wrongs done by ALL mankind. Jesus rose from the dead because of His God part. God doesn't need life to exist. This fact allowed Jesus to rise back into life after death.

OK, you "get" it, and you are making 4 points but what about these 4 points? Do you really "get" how the universe operates? I am asking because it is useful to "get" the big picture before you start listing FACTS.

Your point number 3 is wrong, though if it was the protocols you were refering to I would'nt be at all surprised..

Seems to me that folks dont wanna mention that the real reason jesus was killed was for lending and charging interest, going against the grain of whatever we are told regarding neither a borrower or a lender be.. he was killed for being a banker.. by hiding this fact they allow banking traits. This is probably why jews dont use jesus's name or masons use jesus name in the kapa valley (church)..

I have mentioned that space is where time becomes a loop, we will repeat 10.000 times every mistake until we learn not to make said mistakes, and if we kept a diary from day 1 of our birth, we'd know that no matter what is written, it WILL become reality as soon as the ink touches the paper, aka the power of the written word, once reality on paper becomes reality in fact.. I used to draw pictures of naked women until one came real, my daughter says the drawing looks like her mum.. the drawing was done 3 years before I met her..

The literal history of the Bible (which talks about Christianity) can only be traced back as far as the Dead Sea Scrolls, some of which have been dated as early as 400 B.C. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls.

Jewish tradition, which is very strong, says several things:
1. First, Jewish tradition has always been to copy the Bible meticulously and perfectly (before modern printing presses). Isaiah in the Dead Sea Scrolls - from well over 100 B.C., seems to prove this out - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah_scroll. While not a perfect copy of what we have today, the differences are minor;
2. Jewish tradition says that the Bible was written by different people over different time periods. The writing structure of the various books of the Bible seems to bear that out as the structure is different from book to book, just like one writer writes differently than another;
3. The fact that many of the things of the Bible seem to be happening now, simply shows the power of a book written by many people over a 1,500 year period, which ended near 100 A.D.

The point is that the Bible is a book that would have been impossible to have been written like it has been, except that there was Divine intervention.

As far as Hitler goes, Hitler essentially wanted to take down the world bankers, same thing that Satoshi probably wants.

Hitler never really had a chance. Hitler started the war at least a year too early, because the other nations became aware of his military might before it was ready. If he had waited, the other nations of Europe would have stopped him in a far less bloody way. So, Hitler had to go to war before he was strong enough.

The only reason Satoshi has a chance with Bitcoin is, the world bankers/banking system have left themselves open to this kind of attack. They have become so strong in some ways, that they think that they are invulnerable. Bitcoin is proving them wrong.

4. Possibly Adam never existed in the first place.

Who taught Adam how to write? Where the pen come from?
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Nobody knows for sure, who taught Adam to write. Some ideas:

1. God taught him;

2. Adam invented writing;

3. Adam did not write the first two chapters of the Bible, and may not have known or needed writing.

The structure of the sentences of the first two chapters of the Bible, in the original, ancient Hebrew, is different from the rest of Moses' writing. Nobody knows for sure who wrote it, but it seems that Moses only copied it from earlier writings. Personally, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that Abraham wrote it.

Cavemen, from a feather and blood..

Seems to me like the jews created christianity 3.500 yeras ago..  whilst it's apparently a hoax (i say this because what's written in it is happening NOW), the protocols of the elders of zion clearly speak of the power of dispersion being forced onto people all over the world in one guise or another.. in my opinion, though I dont agree with his method's, Hitler was right, and we're wishing we never won that stupid war..