Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 503. (Read 845477 times)

In reply to your question, I guess that depends on the proof you provide, is it physical? Scientific? Esoteric?

Do you believe in magic?

I hope you are not relating me to an athiest.. they believe in nothing, I believe, but in what I have yet to understand.. get it?

If I was to be able to prove to you  that does God exist, what would that look like? What law of science would it be based upon? Mathematics, physics, geology, etc.? I ask because it seems to me that most Atheists expect the answer to be based in science or it would be no answer at all -- but I had a question elsewhere about what I thought could be demonstrated by science and it seems that science cannot solve the problem; the philosopher's pedagogy is the more appropriate tool.

I think this is becoming a load of nonsense based on religion, (CHRIST/JEWISH Bullshit) as opposed to a search for the 'proof' of god.. an argument with good and bad points, but most do not relate to this diety being sought.. it is a search for proof, and not for a description of what each religion is about or where it came from..

My conclusions so far, is that the searcher need's to use 'magic' science..  in order to 'see' the truth here, as God has been defined as 'spirit' in the bible, so it would be only fair to say that.. wait.. seth (thoth), atlantean, master of mysteries.. who sit's atop of the scales of judgment, whilst anubis weigh's the heart, producing the reason masons fear the monkey, for they sold their soul, as was recorded by the monkey, Keeper of the Akasic Records, Mighty King, Magician, living from generation to generation.. (Hence how to remember past live's..) I know this book so well, I can recite it by heart..

Anubis is real. He is the opener of the way.. I guess Anubis is the one that takes you to the pearly gates.. the person you 'commune' with whilst asleep.. if I was to give certain words of power, would you notice their effect in your day to day life? I have.

Ever thought of trying the several ways for proof of 'diety' found in the Emerald Tablet's?

Occultists do, using their version of this, what can only be called 'BLACK' magic, or rite's of initiation. And they know the effects of their cause so well, we suffer.. whilst they succeed in life just for joining. Freemasons, the Jewish puppet's, ARE the 'DARK BROTHER's' of the Emerald Tablet's.. never devided.. believe it or not, this is how to spot the dark from the light in the people we know. For the rest of us are well and truely devided and conquered.

If I may ask a question in the hope of proof of god, it would be this:

Do angels and demons exist?

YES, and this is FACT. (Seth speaks.mp3)

What most miss, is how to see them.

For instance, the FOUR watchmen of the treble GATES in the book of the dead..

1. The planet's are the LORD's. aka, angels/demons. Each moon of each planet would be respective subordinates..

2. Four is the cardinal points, North, East, South, West, or 12, 3, 6, 9  or 24, 15, 12, 21 - (4 horsemen of the apocalypse)

3. The treble gates are 2, 4, 6, - 8, 10, 12, - 14, 16, 18, - 20, 22, 24, if we were to add the clock in order to produce the devisions of time which devide the space in which we live. To understand this, use a proper 24 hour clock.. the numbers above, point to the origional 12 positions on a clock face, producing the devision of time. This devision starts between 3 and 4 hrs, or: 6th day of the 4th month, (the 4th month representing the 4 after 9 it would take to get to 13) and it's opposite on a 24 hour clock face would be 13.00 hrs, or the 13th month.. On a 12 hour clock face this would be between 9 and 10hrs (google any masonic pictures with a clock, the hands positions say it all..)

So on the 60th second (Remember, drop the 0, giving 6, 12, or 24), 6th minute of the 6th hour, of the 6th day.. (each opposite being 13)

The light of the creator was born.. (cunt turned on a light to see what a mess he made)

4. The names of every demon/angel (whatever you wish to call them) are nothing more than points on this devision of time, and their respective strength's, or weakness's in the human being, and when they are likely to occ(ur), hence occult. And keep in mind the oldest book before binding was even thought of was TARO which the Jews turned into TORA(H) - H being latin For J or Y as in Hesus, or Jesus or Yesus

Just remember we have a problem to solve before this search can produce the proper results. The fact that there were origionally 370 degree's in a full circle, (remember, drop the 0 giving 37 = esoteric truth, that which we KNOW but CANNOT prove) the 10 (drop the 0) missing degree's being where Orphicius, the Sun's OWN constellation, would be. The victors can re-write history, but not the devision of time-space.

A more likely reason for removal of this constellation is it would not make sense to show the astrologer, that quite a few stars travel the same speed as the sun through every other constellation.. more likely they changed measurements so we paid more for less..

S'funny how we pay monthly bills, yet we pay 13 times a year. This is the evidence that the above paragraph is true. Any religion accepting 13 payment's a year in my opinion, is not worshipping the light of GOD, they are worshipping the moon. Ie, the womans periodic cycle, (disgusting evil test number 1: Take menstrual blood, draw ring of blood around base of ANY plant, observe it immediately die, this was portrayed in X-men as the evil crossed the field, everything she touched died..) which incidently is when we are paid our miniscule wages. This is NOT a coincidence. it is not just a FACT of the LIE stopping our search from the point of the introduction of the lunar cycle in todays life. It's not the lunar cycle that is the problem, but that it is being used whilst being hidden from us. The devils greatest trick was convincing the world it does not exist. The devil is in these details. To believe in the devil is to believe in god, this paragraph has proof of the devil, using disgusting evil test number 1. This is the start of MY proof.

How can we find proof of god when the entire system we use is NOT 12 months a year, but 13?

Go take this to the bank and sue them for the theft of the 13'th payment they take from YOUR bank account EVERY year.. you would win this in a court of LAW since the COURT only recognises 12 months in a year.. Sue them for false advertising, as monthly pay is only 12 times a year. Not 13 x 4 (52 weeks).

So how anyone can produce compus mentus dates for the use of any research likely to produce this evidence of god, is so far away, it is lost in the mists of.. TIME.

Yes there is evidence of god, for spirits have a boss, commander, captain, general, top boy, who's name is diety.. try to search for GOD, based on time, since he reckons your years.

A simple way to explain what I mean. Say the bible is only 13 months old, which year was it written in? The first or second of it's life? Since there are (currently) only 12 months in the year, the bible would be complete in it's second year from point of inception. But since everything is based on the lunar calendar, Then this bible was complete at the end of 1 year.

Edit: Question: Why does no one online point this out anywhere else?

You now have the 'Key' of the 'Time-Space' found in the Emerald Tablet's, and if this were true, including it's one flaw, can you spot it? (Excluding the reality that everything we discover is a reversed form of what is written in religious texts..) ie, the writings we read are a reversal of what we experience in our every day reality, explaining why the dog is chasing the three wise men

Voila!!

If Jesus is God, then what about this reference which says otherwise?

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_piso01.htm

The god of Islam is a god who weighs good deeds against bad, and judges people accordingly. The Jewish and Christian God is a God of mercy and grace and forgiveness.

The Jewish G-d is similar to the God of the Christians. The difference is that the Jews don't accept that Jesus is the Messiah (Christ) of the Old Testament prophesies. Since Jesus is God right along with the Father and the Spirit, it's difficult to determine if these two religions have a different God, or if they are the same God with different views of Him. The Jews accept the Messiah at the same time that they reject Him. And God isn't God without the Messiah.

The Mormons have taken Christianity a further step. They don't believe Jesus is full God with the Father, and the Spirit isn't necessarily any more than the spirit of the Father. Rather than accept the Bible, which is the place that talks about Jesus and God more than any other, they have their own book. While they accept Jesus and His saving work, they deny the aspect of His full deity. Like the Jews, it is difficult to say whether Mormonism has the true God, only distorted, or whether they have a false god.

One thing is clear. The same as nobody has an absolutely clear understanding about who another person is, in the same way nobody has an absolutely clear understanding about Who God is. For example, there might be 3 factions that talk about the color of Jesus' hair differently. They might be the same in every other aspect. In a similar way, the various denominations, and even religions, might talk about aspects of God being different, while their basic beliefs about God are essentially the same.

Are we really talking about THREE DIFFERENT religions? Or is it more like three FACTIONS of the SAME religion?

 and why he's going to use your account to do that ?

Two of the largest religions in the world suggest and demand that people should seek for God - Christianity and Islam. Judaism would be a third. These religions also talk about other sentient beings.

The point? Be careful, both in the search for God, and especially in the search for spiritual contact with other beings. Maybe we have built-in protection from malicious spirits that act friendly. But maybe we don't.



EDIT: Personally, I am not going to go on a quest for other sentient spirits without a strong foundation in Christianity. Why? The Bible - the source for Christianity - tells us not to do it. The Bible tells us to seek God.

If a person just popped into being, and there was God, it would seem to the person that God just popped up along with everything else.

The closest thing that we probably have to a machine that is more complex than its maker, would be a computer program that is designed to make another computer program that is more complicated. Is God more complex than the universe He made? Who knows? While the existence of the universe as it is super-strongly suggests His existence, scientifically speaking we haven't been able to find Him through what we call standard scientific means and methods.

When you can't find God, especially through scientific means, where are you going to get a definition of God, to say nothing about a clear definition? And when you are talking about a God that is probably outside of the universe, to our little minds, that doesn't even make sense. Defining God has already been done many times over, even though the definitions are probably wrong, or at least incomplete.

There are probably quite a few people who won't come back to this thread because they can't find anything they would call conclusive. Yet, judging by the number of hits, there is some interest. People are trying to find God.

I have read quite a bit about the survival hypothesis, but mostly from an academic perspective; I would for sure love to hear more from non-academics, I just wish their writing was more coherent!

I am inclined to take a cautious position approaching expansive phenomena of this type, merely wanting to emphasize that we can and should no longer wish them away. The Problem of Seth's Origin is a metaphysical question also related to survival, so these expansive questions are, if nothing else, useful practice for other expansive questions!

Some people don't care for evidence; it is perfectly fine!

“To know how to choose a path with heart is to learn how to follow
intuitive feeling. Logic can tell you superficially where a path might
lead to, but it cannot judge whether your heart will be in it.”

Many things are sought and some are found. Many other things are not specifically sought for and found (serendipity).

It is through following the facts presented in the published record and remaining open to all avenues of fruitful speculation and intuitive possibilities that the problem of Seth's origin will most likely be solved.

Challenge is a part of the quest to find God just as much as soul-searching; all beliefs must be challenged if they are to hold up! I think that the survival hypothesis is important in this discussion; it is expansive enough to give us some hints about God.

I read this a few time's to get this right, and thought, if people think I should change the title of my thread, they are wrong and should create what they think themselves.. this shows laziness.. but this is not my thread..

I know personally of three 'void's' - when we sleep. The first we have to cross to get to either of the next two. The second is the falling dream, the one people think if they hit the bottom they die in real life.. then there's the one that, by the time you realise your in it, you wake up or you are.. ? expand this phenomena..

The question of god is NOT about CHALLENGING anything, it is the search for.. (as the thread title states..) be that proof, so be it.. some need it.. others dont.. for then will only those who want the proof be able to decide for themselves instead of being force fead useless crap no one actually cares about? Where do you fit in this expansive phenomena with regards to god, or is that beyond your comprehension?

Have you done your maths in relation to your subject 'expansive phenomena', or have you just read of it and fancy the idea, and think others might? Cause it aint a religion. I say this, because this search for proof of god involves reading countless religious books/scripts, taking the best of everyones posts, and throwing the rest in the bucket (my version of expansive phenomena) and I wondered what expansive phenomena has to do with these resource's we at least have to have a reasonable understanding of to know what the spirit is, or dont you know seth is akin to thoth?

GODS
GODS EVERYWHERE!!

What is the topic? God? Well, there are so many related issues; we can talk about more than just proof.

I feel that it is only fair to question whether proof/dis-proof is a relevant concept. The old answers are not looking very acceptable. And you are proposing one of the OLDEST answers!



I wanted people in this thread to have a sense of the big picture and to become acquainted with "expansive phenomena". You propose a fact, and I do the same; there is plenty of expansive phenomena.

Your "spooky" explanation is not adequate; fails to account for the facts.

Maybe your 'facts' about god are also not adequate; I am questioning the relevance of the ideas you have posed here;
in my mind, the question of God is about challenging worldviews, not 'proof'.

So your saying the universe is too complex to just appear, yet God (who would need to be exponentially more complex) just popped up?

I think I'm done with this thread now, just going round in circles now. Least decksperiment put some new stuff on the table.

I think the problem is there is no clear definition of what God is. Everyone has their own interpretation. Which means no-ones is going to get anywhere.
I think before discussing proof of God, everyone has to agree exactly what God is.

And that can only open up a fresh can of worms. (Maybe a Flobberworm!)

This is my last post. See ya around.

1. if i kill you and do life in jail, I am, lol, 'square' with the lord and will live in eternal bliss..

2. 'What' is this best formulation you speak of?

3. all religious books are a remix of 1 written by the victors of the age.. and hence disprovable..

4. Drop the magnetic, for there is anti magnetism.. the planets ARE the lords.. or angels.. that command life here on earth, just as the sun reckons our years.. I note you say jesus but not god?

I have detailed instructions on how to 're-start' that machine.. clues are already posted.. including the 'device' used.. for those with eyes to see.. if they were gouged out, google it.. lol.. a hint is in my posts re: star maps.. cant remember whit thread it's in.. I learnt this from a shaman's drum.

Depends on what do you mean by "God". If you think God is a person, who sends good people to heaven and bad people to hell - then no. His rules are impossible to follow. If they were true, no one would ever go to heaven.

This is the best formulation of a proof that God in the Bible/Quran/Other religions is man made. Probably has a logo too.

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

There are forces in the Universe that we do not understand yet. It's a proven fact that everything has a magnetic field. We are all connected. Literally. Science has proven that. Planets even have auras. So again - depends on your concept of god. But to believe in Jesus, or Satan is hilarious.

Again, in simple English, the evidence for God is the existence of the kind of universe we live in.

For a moment, get any preconceived notions of God as you have heard of him through the religions, out of your mind. Then consider the following.

The whole universe, all of nature, acts like a gigantic, ultra-complex machine. Machines have makers.

At the same time we see the machine, everything is wearing out, running down, like a clock that needs to be wound up. We see nothing in nature that can make a machine anything like the universe. We don't see anything that can wind the clock of nature up again. Nothing!

If nature were not so complex, if we could figure it out in detail, then maybe there isn't a God. But, simply because of the way the whole universe and nature exist, there has to be a God. Machines have makers. And this Maker is way beyond us, far greater than we can ever think to be.

Proof is in the eye of the beholder. But the evidence is so overwhelmingly great that there simply is no other way.