"Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him;"
and
"Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes."
Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 503. (Read 845797 times)
I'm always in such a quandary here. It's so difficult knowing how to respond. And Solomon makes it so much harder when he says:
"Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him;"
and
"Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes."
"Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him;"
and
"Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes."
How can a perfect god create an imperfect universe?
Something like the way a loving husband and wife might get together to make that beautiful, bouncing, baby boy. They love that kid, and do the best for him all the while he lives with them. Then he goes to college, gets some weed, becomes a rapist, murders some folks, goes to prison. Mom and Dad didn't do it. Didn't have the slightest part of it in mind for him. The kid made choices, and they weren't in the programming the parents brought the kid up with.
A perfect god could only create perfect humans, that had the freewill to choose only good options in life. Anything less is not perfect.
Humans are not perfect, thus god is not perfect, thus god cannot exist.
That's not free will.
How can a perfect god create an imperfect universe?
Something like the way a loving husband and wife might get together to make that beautiful, bouncing, baby boy. They love that kid, and do the best for him all the while he lives with them. Then he goes to college, gets some weed, becomes a rapist, murders some folks, goes to prison. Mom and Dad didn't do it. Didn't have the slightest part of it in mind for him. The kid made choices, and they weren't in the programming the parents brought the kid up with.
A perfect god could only create perfect humans, that had the freewill to choose only good options in life. Anything less is not perfect.
Humans are not perfect, thus god is not perfect, thus god cannot exist.
Scientific proof and God in the same sentence. That's rather an oxymoron.
Evidence for evolution, and evolution theory, have turned out to be an oxymoron, too.
Is it true blondes have more fun?
Scientific proof and God in the same sentence. That's rather an oxymoron.
Evidence for evolution, and evolution theory, have turned out to be an oxymoron, too.
How can a perfect god create an imperfect universe?
Something like the way a loving husband and wife might get together to make that beautiful, bouncing, baby boy. They love that kid, and do the best for him all the while he lives with them. Then he goes to college, gets some weed, becomes a rapist, murders some folks, goes to prison. Mom and Dad didn't do it. Didn't have the slightest part of it in mind for him. The kid made choices, and they weren't in the programming the parents brought the kid up with.
How can a perfect god create an imperfect universe?
Scientific proof and God in the same sentence. That's rather an oxymoron.
Evidence for evolution, and evolution theory, have turned out to be an oxymoron, too.
For all we know the Big Bang could've been him sneezing :p
Or farting....
Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. 2 This is what the ancients were commended for.
3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
- Hebrews 11:1-3
The whole point of faith is that it compensates for the need to know how God created the universe. He doesn't tell us how he did. He just says he did.
For all we know the Big Bang could've been him sneezing :p
Just my two satoshis
3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
- Hebrews 11:1-3
The whole point of faith is that it compensates for the need to know how God created the universe. He doesn't tell us how he did. He just says he did.
For all we know the Big Bang could've been him sneezing :p
Just my two satoshis
No Big Bang. If there was anything partially similar, it was absolutely NOT like anything that our scientists have proclaimed, even in their simulations that suggest it COULD have happened that way.
http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/creation/biblical_age_earth.htm
Just like about god creating some life out of his ass, "their simulations suggest it DIDN'T happen that way"
Your lack of reflexion is kinda disturbing. Knowledge doesn't come from emotion or faith, it's based on facts.
Scientific proof and God in the same sentence. That's rather an oxymoron.
Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. 2 This is what the ancients were commended for.
3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
- Hebrews 11:1-3
The whole point of faith is that it compensates for the need to know how God created the universe. He doesn't tell us how he did. He just says he did.
For all we know the Big Bang could've been him sneezing :p
Just my two satoshis
3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
- Hebrews 11:1-3
The whole point of faith is that it compensates for the need to know how God created the universe. He doesn't tell us how he did. He just says he did.
For all we know the Big Bang could've been him sneezing :p
Just my two satoshis
No Big Bang. If there was anything partially similar, it was absolutely NOT like anything that our scientists have proclaimed, even in their simulations that suggest it COULD have happened that way.
http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/creation/biblical_age_earth.htm
Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. 2 This is what the ancients were commended for.
3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
- Hebrews 11:1-3
The whole point of faith is that it compensates for the need to know how God created the universe. He doesn't tell us how he did. He just says he did.
For all we know the Big Bang could've been him sneezing :p
Just my two satoshis
3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
- Hebrews 11:1-3
The whole point of faith is that it compensates for the need to know how God created the universe. He doesn't tell us how he did. He just says he did.
For all we know the Big Bang could've been him sneezing :p
Just my two satoshis
And yes, you are right.
God does not exist.
I've no idea if God exists or not. Same as every single person on this planet.God does not exist.
All I can say is, if he does exist, when it's my time to get called into his office, I hope he's got some good excuses ready!
I suppose that this might be something that you could hold God to a little. He allowed you freedom, at least enough to ignore Him. What kind of excuse could He have for that?
For god to exist he must be perfect.
He can only create perfect things. (Or else he wouldn't exist because he wouldn't be perfect.)
So my ability to choose to ignore him must be perfect. So it is his wish and has no problem with it.
Or..
God didn't exist in the first place.
Because God created you with free will doesn't mean He created you to use your free will in a wrong way.
Then God is not prefect, and thus cannot exist.
And yes, you are right.
God does not exist.
I've no idea if God exists or not. Same as every single person on this planet.God does not exist.
All I can say is, if he does exist, when it's my time to get called into his office, I hope he's got some good excuses ready!
I suppose that this might be something that you could hold God to a little. He allowed you freedom, at least enough to ignore Him. What kind of excuse could He have for that?
For god to exist he must be perfect.
He can only create perfect things. (Or else he wouldn't exist because he wouldn't be perfect.)
So my ability to choose to ignore him must be perfect. So it is his wish and has no problem with it.
Or..
God didn't exist in the first place.
Because God created you with free will doesn't mean He created you to use your free will in a wrong way. He created you with it as a gift to you, so that you could recognize how Great He is, and both you and He could grow in glory.
It's not His fault you want to use the gift to throw the gift away.
And yes, you are right.
God does not exist.
I've no idea if God exists or not. Same as every single person on this planet.God does not exist.
All I can say is, if he does exist, when it's my time to get called into his office, I hope he's got some good excuses ready!
I suppose that this might be something that you could hold God to a little. He allowed you freedom, at least enough to ignore Him. What kind of excuse could He have for that?
For god to exist he must be perfect.
He can only create perfect things. (Or else he wouldn't exist because he wouldn't be perfect.)
So my ability to choose to ignore him must be perfect. So it is his wish and has no problem with it.
Or..
God didn't exist in the first place.
Religion exists, but it is not real.
Religion is fake.
This is exactly the thing that I have been trying to tell everybody. And Evolution is one of the biggest religions.
You have yet to read my quote. At this point, I think you're straight up trolling. Read this:
Wrong. Evolution doesn't go from creation of universe to current day man. Only from single-cell organisms to current day man. The Big Bang Theory explains the creation of the universe (at least part of it). And abiogenesis explains going from non-living to living organisms.
You absolutely have no idea, do you? Like, you're literally arguing about shit you're making up on the spot.
Honestly, it's a shame you were indoctrinated with religion and that creates an ignorance of science. It's a bit sad you cling to religion so much. Honestly, try to open your mind just a tiny bit. Actually read and think about what people are saying.
You keep speaking as though you're informed about science. However, you're quite ignorant. Science is amazing. What's cool about science it's okay to be wrong. No one's going to punish you for being wrong about a hypothesis. It's when you start to make up evidence and start spouting bullshit that you get in trouble.
Seriously BADecker, look up the scientific method. Try to apply that methodology to your religion. Don't try to fill the gaps, make the evidence fill the gaps. Your hypothesis is that everything in the Bible is true, now try to prove that via the scientific method.
You absolutely have no idea, do you? Like, you're literally arguing about shit you're making up on the spot.
Honestly, it's a shame you were indoctrinated with religion and that creates an ignorance of science. It's a bit sad you cling to religion so much. Honestly, try to open your mind just a tiny bit. Actually read and think about what people are saying.
You keep speaking as though you're informed about science. However, you're quite ignorant. Science is amazing. What's cool about science it's okay to be wrong. No one's going to punish you for being wrong about a hypothesis. It's when you start to make up evidence and start spouting bullshit that you get in trouble.
Seriously BADecker, look up the scientific method. Try to apply that methodology to your religion. Don't try to fill the gaps, make the evidence fill the gaps. Your hypothesis is that everything in the Bible is true, now try to prove that via the scientific method.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8614605
My statement still holds true regardless of your ideas and opinions. Here, I'll make it easier to understand:
We are no closer to proving god than 1000 years ago. FACT.
We are no closer to disproving god than 1000 years ago. FACT.
No evidence exists in favor of god, same as 1000 years ago. FACT.
No evidence exists not in favor of god, same as 1000 years ago. FACT.
You just don't get it do you? Religion/God works because it is a faith.
There's not meant to be any evidence/proof. That's the whole point..
C'mon, I'm not even religious but I still "get" how it operates.
But the reverse is true as well.
We are no closer to disproving God, either.
However, the more modern science gets, the more it disproves evolution.
Evolution has been disproven thousands of times since Darwin.
Yet nobody has disproven God.
Study the books. You will see that ALL evolution is based on scientists saying wording like, "maybe it happened this way."
The religion of evolution is one of the saddest religions around, even as its followers are some of the greatest believers in their religion.
Evolution has never been disproven. If it had it would no longer be a theory.
Its not our job to dispriove God. You say he excist. You have to prove it.
Again where is your evidence?
Evolutionary science has disproven evolution over and over again. What hasn't been disproven is evolution theory being used by political science. Politicians - many scientists are such, right along with laymen - continue to holler that evolution is true, true, true. So, evolution is true scientifically, because average folks believe the political science propaganda about evolution, simply because they have heard it so much.
Evolution has long since been proven to not exist, scientifically, by almost every science except political science. How can you tell? Simply by the fact that it remains a THEORY. If there were any sense to evolution at all, it would have been deemed a law long ago.
And yes, you are right.
God does not exist.
I've no idea if God exists or not. Same as every single person on this planet.God does not exist.
All I can say is, if he does exist, when it's my time to get called into his office, I hope he's got some good excuses ready!
I suppose that this might be something that you could hold God to a little. He allowed you freedom, at least enough to ignore Him. What kind of excuse could He have for that?
My statement still holds true regardless of your ideas and opinions. Here, I'll make it easier to understand:
We are no closer to proving god than 1000 years ago. FACT.
We are no closer to disproving god than 1000 years ago. FACT.
No evidence exists in favor of god, same as 1000 years ago. FACT.
No evidence exists not in favor of god, same as 1000 years ago. FACT.
You just don't get it do you? Religion/God works because it is a faith.
There's not meant to be any evidence/proof. That's the whole point..
C'mon, I'm not even religious but I still "get" how it operates.
But the reverse is true as well.
We are no closer to disproving God, either.
Ehh? Did you read my post or are you too blinkered to bother?
Why would you think that there is no evidence for the truth? I have been showing you the tremendously great evidence of machine and Maker, but you haven't read my posts, have you?
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