Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 497. (Read 845477 times)

3. Much knowledge? We did it but we didn't know how and why it worked! The conditions we used intentionally occurs naturally really often, they don't need any knowledge at all to exist.

Well, I don't say it often occurs. I just say it did occur at least once in 14 billion years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem

Now, now. You are clouding the issue.

1. We see nothing in nature that is able to create life. If we easily saw the creator of life, scientists would have proclaimed it long ago. Rather, they only have a theory called evolution.

2. We DO see a creator of near life. It is man, himself, who created a lowly form of test-tube life, that probably wasn't really life, but only something that was almost life.

3. Since it has taken much knowledge and effort by man to create something that is almost life (maybe it was life), how much greater is the Creator of true life that exists all around us in nature, in abundance, and is the thing that even makes us the life that we are?

4. Such a Thing that is so extremely knowledgeable and capable as to be able to be the Creator of the REAL life that exists all around us is the Thing that fits our definition of the word "God."

After all, if it takes all man's ingenuity to barely create life or something that simulates life, REAL life must be something that is very difficult to create. We don't see any process whereby life comes about by accident. Rather we see just the opposite; randomness produces disorder. By comparing man's creation against life that exists in nature, we can easily see that the Creator of the life in nature is Great, beyond our knowledge and understanding.

You think that we created life back in the 60s but you don't see how this proves there's no god needed to create life?
The life created back then would have spread and colonize the entire earth
Then because of radioactivity, dna errors, etc genes muted, which leave 2 possibilities: either the mutated guy is less robust and dies before spreading its genes, or it's more robust and spread its genes and could lead to a new specie (which can be more complex than the one before)

Actually, Vod is quite intelligent. Don't let him (her?) kid you.


Vod has just proven the existence of God.

Back in the 1960's or 1970s, I think it was, scientists made life in a test tube. Or at least that is what they tried to say. If they didn't actually make life, they came really close. They probably have done it over and over since then. I don't follow it.

What these scientists did (do?) was/is, they got together all kinds of apparatus, labratory apparatus, equipment that all kinds of inventors and engineers invented and built. Then they formulated methods to get some chemicals into a test tube, at just the right temperature, with all the right conditions. Then they zapped it all with some electricity, and they got something that approximated life.

When we look around in nature, there is life all over the place. It is complex life, of many kinds, and usually in large quantities of each kind. All of it is far advanced in form than the simple, test-tube life that scientists created back in the '70s.

So, you can see how this proves God, can't you? Intelligent man works hard and creates simple, lowly life. The far more complex, much more abundant and far better operating life has been created by a Being Who is as much greater than man as His created life is greater than man's created life. He is the Almighty God.

What is really wonderful is that God made man so well that man is actually starting to emulate God!

I don't understand why a god would give me a brain then send me to hell just for using it.   

scuba preacher: "can I at least leave you a leaflet?"

octopus: "Only if I can eat it, otherwise it's ink time!"

pmsl...

Ffs, someone bring in some old/new/unmentioned religion that DOES'NT involve anything connected to christians or jews.. please reference something we can get our teeth into that we have'nt heard on our own doorstep before we slammed the door..

Probability calculation does not say that something is impossible because of its low probability. Even something with a unimaginable low probability can happen and when considering a infinite time frame and number of tries for something to happen the probability approximates to 100%.

So much nonsense, that's scary
Still eating popcorn though

It's not a problem. It's my joy. Why? Because even though God can't quite be explained by science, He almost is. On the other hand, science has irrevocably proven that something like evolution does not exist. The only science that proves that evolution can exist is, political science. Political science says, among other things, that when you can't prove your cause, promote it by propaganda. So, in this way evolution has been proven by science. Yet it wasn't evolutionary science. It was political science.

One simple way to show how ridiculous the idea of evolution is, is through scientifically recognizing how many atoms make up the smallest possible living cell. Then add in the part where these atoms must all be situated in the right place. Then throw in the part about how the atoms must be kick-started into motion, all at exactly the right time, in the right direction. Now, compare this with the mathematical laws of probability while including entropy, and you can see that life through some form of evolution is more difficult than winning all the lotteries in the world, past, present, and future, all at the same time.

There is no evolution. There is no Theory of Evolution. All there is, is a bunch of so-called scientists hollering over and over that, evolution is real, real, real, and everything that tries to suggest it isn't is false, false, false.

Oh so that's the problem. You can't stand unexplained things.
Science clearly states what we know about a subject, and that could be 99.999%, 90%, 50%, 10% or even 0% possible.
Mystic faith on the other hand explains everything and makes god the explanation of unknown facts.

In your case, if you're so insecure in this world that you're not comfortable with a partially ununderstood world then yes I guess believing in god is the way to go. I hope it helps you feeling better.

If I were to say to you that our sun is a binary star orbiting it's own dark star, would you believe me? NO.

This is most likely because there is no (scientific) evidence..

If I were to say that Sirius is a binary star orbiting it's own dark star, would you believe me, YES, 'cause the Dogon tribe of Mali says so..

But the dogon also point out that the binary sirius is a mirror of our own sun.. meaning ours is a binary star.

But our sun is not a binary star according to science.

So how anyone expects to prove the existance of god when all possible science explaining the truth above is..

?

Any time you want to investigate the papers, you will find that they are filled with loads of facts along with multitudes of suppositions. Yet the foundational points around which all this "science" revolves are steeped in such words as "if" and "maybe" and "possibly," etc. On these and many more similar words, the whole of scientific equation for age of earth and universe, and life source, stand. There is NO proof. There is only supposition, and a whole lot of propaganda. Science simply doesn't know.

I guess so.. All religions are cults, just when they get to a certain size they become "religions" because folk are afraid of badmouthing them (fear of getting murdered).



Sure, I know I'm free to believe in anything.

I just find the word "god" very loaded, like the word "gay", I mean in reality I like to consider myself quite a gay person, but as you well know that word now has a new meaning and people would think I was saying "I am a homosexual".

The same goes for the word "god", if you say "I believe in god" then many (almost all) will think you are religious. So the word is gone for me, sorry 'bout that!

Lol are you even serious?


Bullshit and you know it. There are tons of papers about that. Maybe it's not facts enough for you but it's anyway much more than faith. And it doesn't involve strange beings.


Lol. Come on.

See? That's the problem. You haven't even thought things out deeply enough to realize that when you have proof, you don't need to believe. When you have proof, you know it. And when you know something, not only don't you need faith any longer, but you can't have faith in it. You know it. YOU CAN'T HAVE FAITH IN SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE PROOF FOR. It's an impossibility. You have one or the other, not both.

Perhaps as Vod says, very soon from now we will have the ability to create. But at the present moment, general world "scientific" knowledge is almost 100% faith regarding things like the age of the earth and where life came from. The tiny bit we absolutely know has been extrapolated into all kinds of things that nobody has a clue exist for real.

At least people who believe in God have tons of evidence so that faith is easy for them. But faith that science has answered any of these large questions is more like delusion.

you're referring to churches i assume. Or cultists that claim to follow the teachings of the bible.

The believe in a creator does not necessarily mean the belief in the teaching of a church.

what if i told you you can believe in god without following the pope or other figureheads?

If you only base your disbelief in god to prevent becoming enslaved to popes and other religious leaders, than that's a pretty stupid motivation.

Yes, those people do mislead a large part of the population to practically enslave them, but that does not mean that there is no god. It's just that their god is different from the true god.

you keep mixing up reality with fiction. You draw conclusions based on half truths.

but again, the discussion of what would happen if there would be a god is beyond the scope of this thread.

I'm open to the possibility that we are simulants.

But notions of god, bible, religious texts do not interest me in the slightest.

Such nonsense is just an insignificant subset of true reality (whatever that might be).

Notions of god have always been put forth by dumb lazy monkeys trying to get other monkeys to do their work for them. And the irony of the situation is that the enslaved monkeys are only too keen to propogate the nonsense, I can only assume driven by fear and ignorance.