Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 497. (Read 845801 times)
How is this proof of God. It's just proof that we all descended from same couple. Actually you don't mention it but there is village in Africa who are closest descendants to this pair in the world. So scientist believe that is where they originally lived.
Well, I too am at the end of this, for aside's from those that like to fill threads with comments and pictures completely un-related to the topic in question, most of which are useless in the search for diety.., for instance, quoting books that are apparently 'god's' books, or holy books.
The evidence for 'diety' or a 'false idol' is everywhere..
Quite simply, millions of people go to pray. Fact. The rituals they do can indeed produce result's, though wether this is a result of prayer is debatable in itself.. note however I say 'ritual' instead of 'pray'.
This evidence is like yin and yang.
There are those who use a system I shall call magic which HAS proven over and over again, works.
The 'good' go to hallowed ground and do things like that 'lord's' work, the bad do the same in an opposite manner, for they worship the opposing factor's work. Regardless of which side they choose, the system used is identical, asides from one FACT. To get results considered 'Good', they go in one direction. Do get 'Bad' results, they go in an opposite direction. This is scientifically provable, for there are government's who plaster icons from either side, all over their building's, advert's etc, in the guise of logo's, another way of writing LOGOS which is the scource of all. For this LOGOS sent forth 3 devine sparks.. Flame, Form, and MIND. In the Emerald tablets, or any of the holy books, All 3, (holy trinity, three rays of light??) are scientifically PROVEN to exist, recognised more today as Flame form and fashion, or mind body and soul, to name a few, this trinity producing the human being. The origional 7 planets which the days of the week are named after, start from 3 to 7. The 'Key of the 7' found in the Emerald Tablet's shows us that there is NO 0, 1, or 2. Instead, the first '3' is shown as a triangle, that same triangle found at the center of some very factual material found online. The key of the 7 starts from 3, and finishes at 9, showing only seven FACTS from the universal language, maths. These FACTS are the days of the week, named after their respective planets, or lords.
All is repetition, the key to magic. The Fact that churches etc exist proves nothing. That they are built to the maths of nature is SOMETHING, and VERY provable.
You see, most cant see the bigger picture, despite me dotting bit's of evidence everywhere throughout, what, 3 or 4 threads?
Nuns, priests, etc, that do their gods work do so from a church. These 'should' (for want of a better word) be doing the GOOD work, and practice what they preach.
So who are their opposing factor? For the laymen, I'll say occultists do the devils work, or the bad/evil work.. Freemasonry is occult, worshipping the dark science's, or quite simply, they do everything the preists do, but in the opposite direction, each step, each raise of the hands etc..
Both side's would NOT be doing anything resembling these 'ritual's' if they got NO results.
In the search for scientific proof of god, this is the path you must walk, in order to collect the same evidence that gave the powers that run this planet, ie, governments, their power.
Remember, magic is only knowledge unknown. Once known, it is not only wisdom, it is power.
Stonehenge was torn apart to prevent an evil one being born on this earth, an evil one whose father was a seventh son who fucked his seventh child (daughter) who was then killed on the bluestone (from atlantis) altar, on the night of a certain full moon. The daugter was with child, (pregnant), and at the point of this unborn childs birth, another child was killed at the same time, one goes out, one comes in. How many 'christian' movies show this same reminder to prevent this shit happening again?
The evidence is everywhere, for the evidence of EITHER god or the devil, me, I think they are ONE, we can prove the devil but not god? Gimme a fuckin break.. the only people wanting this evidence DONT believe in either, or have zero un-natural experience's, that would make them question the FACT that something governs (controls) this 'magic' that, of course, the majority, do not WANT believe in, regardless of the evidence.
The evidence for 'diety' or a 'false idol' is everywhere..
Quite simply, millions of people go to pray. Fact. The rituals they do can indeed produce result's, though wether this is a result of prayer is debatable in itself.. note however I say 'ritual' instead of 'pray'.
This evidence is like yin and yang.
There are those who use a system I shall call magic which HAS proven over and over again, works.
The 'good' go to hallowed ground and do things like that 'lord's' work, the bad do the same in an opposite manner, for they worship the opposing factor's work. Regardless of which side they choose, the system used is identical, asides from one FACT. To get results considered 'Good', they go in one direction. Do get 'Bad' results, they go in an opposite direction. This is scientifically provable, for there are government's who plaster icons from either side, all over their building's, advert's etc, in the guise of logo's, another way of writing LOGOS which is the scource of all. For this LOGOS sent forth 3 devine sparks.. Flame, Form, and MIND. In the Emerald tablets, or any of the holy books, All 3, (holy trinity, three rays of light??) are scientifically PROVEN to exist, recognised more today as Flame form and fashion, or mind body and soul, to name a few, this trinity producing the human being. The origional 7 planets which the days of the week are named after, start from 3 to 7. The 'Key of the 7' found in the Emerald Tablet's shows us that there is NO 0, 1, or 2. Instead, the first '3' is shown as a triangle, that same triangle found at the center of some very factual material found online. The key of the 7 starts from 3, and finishes at 9, showing only seven FACTS from the universal language, maths. These FACTS are the days of the week, named after their respective planets, or lords.
All is repetition, the key to magic. The Fact that churches etc exist proves nothing. That they are built to the maths of nature is SOMETHING, and VERY provable.
You see, most cant see the bigger picture, despite me dotting bit's of evidence everywhere throughout, what, 3 or 4 threads?
Nuns, priests, etc, that do their gods work do so from a church. These 'should' (for want of a better word) be doing the GOOD work, and practice what they preach.
So who are their opposing factor? For the laymen, I'll say occultists do the devils work, or the bad/evil work.. Freemasonry is occult, worshipping the dark science's, or quite simply, they do everything the preists do, but in the opposite direction, each step, each raise of the hands etc..
Both side's would NOT be doing anything resembling these 'ritual's' if they got NO results.
In the search for scientific proof of god, this is the path you must walk, in order to collect the same evidence that gave the powers that run this planet, ie, governments, their power.
Remember, magic is only knowledge unknown. Once known, it is not only wisdom, it is power.
Stonehenge was torn apart to prevent an evil one being born on this earth, an evil one whose father was a seventh son who fucked his seventh child (daughter) who was then killed on the bluestone (from atlantis) altar, on the night of a certain full moon. The daugter was with child, (pregnant), and at the point of this unborn childs birth, another child was killed at the same time, one goes out, one comes in. How many 'christian' movies show this same reminder to prevent this shit happening again?
The evidence is everywhere, for the evidence of EITHER god or the devil, me, I think they are ONE, we can prove the devil but not god? Gimme a fuckin break.. the only people wanting this evidence DONT believe in either, or have zero un-natural experience's, that would make them question the FACT that something governs (controls) this 'magic' that, of course, the majority, do not WANT believe in, regardless of the evidence.
You do realize the flying spaghetti monster does exist, right? The universe is infinite. Infinite dimensions, infinite frequencies, infinite materializations, infinite everything. Consciousness has no end. Nor does it have a beginning. Everything just is.
Just because your eye can't see it, doesn't mean it's not there.
We are multidimensional beings. The more you open your mind, the more you open your eye.
Just because your eye can't see it, doesn't mean it's not there.
We are multidimensional beings. The more you open your mind, the more you open your eye.
Tes spaguettis volantes c'est comme pour quand tu a un plat de spaguettis devant toi et juste avant de commencer à le manger tu t'aperçois qu'il n'es plus là ??
How come this drawing would have been done if the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist? It's impossible!
Thus it exists!
Ramen
what if, just what if God was just a normal man. And over the years stories just were told was over hyped. 
And then hes like I want a good business model, lets form a church and get all these people to give me money.
And then hes like I want a good business model, lets form a church and get all these people to give me money.
Of course, if we considered that god was a normal man... then we'd still have to figure out how to contact the Guy Who created the universe.
You still havent proven that God created the universe. So far you have used evolution as evidence, but we have explenation for evolution without any need of a magic man in the sky. All the "evidence" you have is look around in nature" I have done that and see evolution. and "study the bible" I have and found loadads of made up stories. I still see no evidence for any surpernatrual being. The thred is called scientiffic proof... and its around 20 pages long now. Its time to pay up or admidt that you are wrong
I have done and said about as much as I will, except that I may repeat it now and again. Nobody can force you to believe anything you don't want. But even if I could, I won't. That is not the thing that God wants anyone to do, force anyone else to believe, or to do much of anything else. God offers freedom to all people. So, continue on in your way. The time will come when God will answer you, Himself, as He will answer me.
what if, just what if God was just a normal man. And over the years stories just were told was over hyped.
And then hes like I want a good business model, lets form a church and get all these people to give me money.
And then hes like I want a good business model, lets form a church and get all these people to give me money.
Of course, if we considered that god was a normal man... then we'd still have to figure out how to contact the Guy Who created the universe.
You still havent proven that God created the universe. So far you have used evolution as evidence, but we have explenation for evolution without any need of a magic man in the sky. All the "evidence" you have is look around in nature" I have done that and see evolution. and "study the bible" I have and found loadads of made up stories. I still see no evidence for any surpernatrual being. The thred is called scientiffic proof... and its around 20 pages long now. Its time to pay up or admidt that you are wrong
what if, just what if God was just a normal man. And over the years stories just were told was over hyped.
And then hes like I want a good business model, lets form a church and get all these people to give me money.
And then hes like I want a good business model, lets form a church and get all these people to give me money.
Of course, if we considered that god was a normal man... then we'd still have to figure out how to contact the Guy Who created the universe.
what if, just what if God was just a normal man. And over the years stories just were told was over hyped.
And then hes like I want a good business model, lets form a church and get all these people to give me money.
And then hes like I want a good business model, lets form a church and get all these people to give me money.
but what's before
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what if, just what if God was just a normal man. And over the years stories just were told was over hyped.
And then hes like I want a good business model, lets form a church and get all these people to give me money.
And then hes like I want a good business model, lets form a church and get all these people to give me money.
the proof is that science exists, in that god is scientific.
can a supreme being exist without science? can science exist without god?
what came first he chicken or the egg?
can a supreme being exist without science? can science exist without god?
what came first he chicken or the egg?
Maybe the Police??
There a lot of things That's the existing that make the truth. The first example that spring to my mind is the so-called «the beginning's of the times & all that preceded it» ; It's really an unbelievable concept, [ a conception of time infinite in the past is literally impossible for a human conception kind. ] But that's is , we stay between the possible and non-possible to make chance to do something that greet
Someone over at Freedom's Phoenix has been watching our debate.
"Why does the Universe Exist?"
http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/162450-2014-09-05-why-does-the-universe-exist.htm
http://www.ted.com/talks/jim_holt_why_does_the_universe_exist
"Why does the Universe Exist?"
http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/162450-2014-09-05-why-does-the-universe-exist.htm
http://www.ted.com/talks/jim_holt_why_does_the_universe_exist
A scary image of the scientific proof of god..
Man sends voyager up into space, and send's it on it's merry way never to return.. always heading 'out there' gathering space dust..
There is a saying that if we could travel so fast across the universe we'd see ourselves..
When Voyager get's to the other side, it will exit the universe, by exiting every lifeform on earth's face, at the same time..
Ok, this is nonsense, but the only way to show the true image of god, if there 'should' be one.
Man sends voyager up into space, and send's it on it's merry way never to return.. always heading 'out there' gathering space dust..
There is a saying that if we could travel so fast across the universe we'd see ourselves..
When Voyager get's to the other side, it will exit the universe, by exiting every lifeform on earth's face, at the same time..
Ok, this is nonsense, but the only way to show the true image of god, if there 'should' be one.
I notice so many people from 'bible' faith's are replying to this thread.. And not many others.. So many.. countless quotes from what is best described, as the youngest book in religion.. a good 60% of these quotes are written to say who was who, where what came from, and all of them, come from one book, that is only just over 2000 years old, but I'll add another thousand just to keep whomever happy.. 99% of 'religious' support for god comes from only 1 book again.. This proves to me just one thing so far.. that the most arguments come from 'believer's' of what this book says.
If this was my thread I'd (politelly) ask NO masons to post here, for they wont say the name JESUS in a church. The Jews wont say GOD.. many religions dont want any image of 'their' god anywhere.. but apparently god is not just everywhere, he IS EVERYTHING.
(note the last full stop
In effect, for what is taught, is that the spirit lives on in our children. As spirit creates the form (grow) in their fathers almost identical image.. as jesus states, what I am you shall become.. But he aint my dad.. this may explain why thou shalt not create any graven image.. just by building a church, mosque, the builders create the 'graven' image, that is carved/built onto this earth.. perhaps there is a reason we are not to do this.. If you knew the rituals held by freemasons in your church, and you DO believe in GOD, would you go back to your church to listen to the preist who allows it? Yes, and in doing so support the evil commited in your church.
'think not in angles - for surely they will follow thee' (hounds of the barrier that guard the hidden pathway)
Now think of the symbol of freemasonry.. nothing BUT angles.. think of the cross.. the star of (king)david..
Think I'm talking nonsence? My avatar was created after I saw a particular image carved into the wall of roslin chapel (thats how it is now spelt here that image is of the tetragrammaton.. it is carved so deep into the wall one would (should) question how it was created, and in all places, a church.. for it took time to create this. Whilst I sought to find what this image represented, I came across the instructions for the creation of where, what should be in a certain ritual. This avatar of mine represents the 5 elements, earth, fire water, air and spirit. A defence against what is not only commited in YOUR church, but all over the face of the earth.
Do your research into the history that destroyed stonehenge, yes there is one.. use google maps to find how many other stone circles 'orbit' stonehenge (orbit, as in dotted around) and if you zooom out just enough to see the other constellations 'engraved' in the land.. you'll probably believe there is no upside down pyramid.. (incidently, google wont show this on your maps, but it does exist, in egypt)
I'm getting bored trying to find proof of god, when pit against bible lovers.. for they really do allow the evil to be commited by at least one member of their family, a freemason. Then go to the same spot the mason carried out his ritual. (or will attend one in a church)
Scientific proof, is also defined as accepted by the majority through experience of the many.. and hence 'witnessed'
It is a scientific fact that rituals produce effects, be them for good or evil.
In this guise the word 'ritual' is another proof of god, since so many ritualists know the desired effect's of the cause.
I'm not a ritualist, or into any that stuff, but have read a lot of them..
Someone of a spiritual nature or better, governs these 'laws' which are for use of EITHER good or evil.
Perhaps we should ask for proof of allah? Most here would shut up, through a simple lack of knowledge.
If this was my thread I'd (politelly) ask NO masons to post here, for they wont say the name JESUS in a church. The Jews wont say GOD.. many religions dont want any image of 'their' god anywhere.. but apparently god is not just everywhere, he IS EVERYTHING.
(note the last full stop
In effect, for what is taught, is that the spirit lives on in our children. As spirit creates the form (grow) in their fathers almost identical image.. as jesus states, what I am you shall become.. But he aint my dad.. this may explain why thou shalt not create any graven image.. just by building a church, mosque, the builders create the 'graven' image, that is carved/built onto this earth.. perhaps there is a reason we are not to do this.. If you knew the rituals held by freemasons in your church, and you DO believe in GOD, would you go back to your church to listen to the preist who allows it? Yes, and in doing so support the evil commited in your church.
'think not in angles - for surely they will follow thee' (hounds of the barrier that guard the hidden pathway)
Now think of the symbol of freemasonry.. nothing BUT angles.. think of the cross.. the star of (king)david..
Think I'm talking nonsence? My avatar was created after I saw a particular image carved into the wall of roslin chapel (thats how it is now spelt here
that image is of the tetragrammaton.. it is carved so deep into the wall one would (should) question how it was created, and in all places, a church.. for it took time to create this. Whilst I sought to find what this image represented, I came across the instructions for the creation of where, what should be in a certain ritual. This avatar of mine represents the 5 elements, earth, fire water, air and spirit. A defence against what is not only commited in YOUR church, but all over the face of the earth.Do your research into the history that destroyed stonehenge, yes there is one.. use google maps to find how many other stone circles 'orbit' stonehenge (orbit, as in dotted around) and if you zooom out just enough to see the other constellations 'engraved' in the land.. you'll probably believe there is no upside down pyramid.. (incidently, google wont show this on your maps, but it does exist, in egypt)
I'm getting bored trying to find proof of god, when pit against bible lovers.. for they really do allow the evil to be commited by at least one member of their family, a freemason. Then go to the same spot the mason carried out his ritual. (or will attend one in a church)
Scientific proof, is also defined as accepted by the majority through experience of the many.. and hence 'witnessed'
It is a scientific fact that rituals produce effects, be them for good or evil.
In this guise the word 'ritual' is another proof of god, since so many ritualists know the desired effect's of the cause.
I'm not a ritualist, or into any that stuff, but have read a lot of them..
Someone of a spiritual nature or better, governs these 'laws' which are for use of EITHER good or evil.
Perhaps we should ask for proof of allah? Most here would shut up, through a simple lack of knowledge.
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Do we know enough FACTS to explain what God is through science? I don't think so, personally. The best we can do is see that God exists through the multitudes of complex evidences. This is part of the reason that almost all religions stress having faith. We will not be able to scientifically prove God any time soon.
Yet we don't need blind faith. The evidence for God is extremely overwhelming, even if we can't make scientific heads or tails of it at this stage of the game. So, faith has some base in evidence. It is not blind faith.
Yet we don't need blind faith. The evidence for God is extremely overwhelming, even if we can't make scientific heads or tails of it at this stage of the game. So, faith has some base in evidence. It is not blind faith.
I love how even when he's trying to convince himself he makes contradictions in the same post.
Evidence and facts are not the same thing. Facts are concrete. Evidence can be interpreted.
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Do we know enough FACTS to explain what God is through science? I don't think so, personally. The best we can do is see that God exists through the multitudes of complex evidences. This is part of the reason that almost all religions stress having faith. We will not be able to scientifically prove God any time soon.
Yet we don't need blind faith. The evidence for God is extremely overwhelming, even if we can't make scientific heads or tails of it at this stage of the game. So, faith has some base in evidence. It is not blind faith.
Yet we don't need blind faith. The evidence for God is extremely overwhelming, even if we can't make scientific heads or tails of it at this stage of the game. So, faith has some base in evidence. It is not blind faith.
I love how even when he's trying to convince himself he makes contradictions in the same post.
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Do we know enough FACTS to explain that God exists? I don't think so, personally
the proof is that science exists, in that god is scientific.
can a supreme being exist without science? can science exist without god?
what came first he chicken or the egg?
can a supreme being exist without science? can science exist without god?
what came first he chicken or the egg?
Maybe the Police??
From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/science?s=t :
science
[sahy-uh ns]
noun
1. a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws:
the mathematical sciences.
2. systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.
3. any of the branches of natural or physical science.
4. systematized knowledge in general.
5. knowledge, as of facts or principles; knowledge gained by systematic study.
6. a particular branch of knowledge.
7. skill, especially reflecting a precise application of facts or principles; proficiency.
Do we know enough FACTS to explain what God is through science? I don't think so, personally. The best we can do is see that God exists through the multitudes of complex evidences. This is part of the reason that almost all religions stress having faith. We will not be able to scientifically prove God any time soon.
Yet we don't need blind faith. The evidence for God is extremely overwhelming, even if we can't make scientific heads or tails of it at this stage of the game. So, faith has some base in evidence. It is not blind faith.
There might be theories for our existence, theories that don't include God. But there are NO COMPLETE FACTS for these theories. If there were, the theories would be laws, not theories.
At this stage of the game in our scientific development, if we want to see if God exists, we need to look elsewhere, somewhere other than science. The most logical "elsewhere" is to see if God is making Himself known by revelation of some kind. That's why we have religious books.
The greatest religious book of all, hands down, is the Bible. Investigate the Bible, how it came into existence, how far it has traveled around the world, how accurate current copies are when compared with ancient manuscripts, the traditions of the Jewish people regarding the Old Testament (Tanakh), the experiences Bible users have had in their lives, and anything else you can think to investigate about the Bible. When you DO exhaustive research like this, you will find that a book like the Bible is impossible to exist... yet it does exist. Now, guess what that means.
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