Topic: Shades Minoco / Shakaru / Collections / Debt - page 17. (Read 42555 times)

Arrangements HAVEN'T been made.  All that has happened so far is a bunch of his creditors gathered together to establish what they think is owed and have me collecting to disperse fairly.  I've yet to see a comprehensive plan as to how 4000+btc are going to be made and paid back, the time frame for doing so, etc.  Shakaru sold a best buy gift card for $25 with the btc going to the collection address, but now the buyer is claiming he never got the card.  To date I've received 34.01 btc and I'm not looking forward to having to refund part of it already.

If you don't want to apply a 'scammer' tag, then perhaps a new class of tag needs to be made to make it readily identifiable that shakaru is in collections.

I'll go 10 BTC...

...and I agree with much of what bitsinmyhead has to say and fully understand his frustration. In the words of one of my past mentors "It's blatantly obvious to the most casual observer".

I support him in his endeavor to repay me... just makes sense and really, what other option is there?

I'll up the bid to 5 BTC.

i will happily buy your debt for 1.2 BTC.

anyone else want to bid higher?

perhaps you should start an auction thread for it, bitsinmyhead, if you are serious about on-selling the debt.

Personally I believe in Shakaru and as you said since you don't believe people will put their money at stake, I already have. I have given him money because I believe that he is telling the truth so that proves that people really do have faith in shakaru.

I am amazed at how naive some of you seem to be. It also puzzles me that you can not be labeled a scammer just because you are sticking around and allegedly trying to repay people. Just steal a lot of money and say: "Well, I will repay you all, I really will I promise!" and everything is fine.

Anyways, if any of you who seem to have unlimited faith in shakaru want to put your money where your mouth is, I am offering to sell my debt for 35BTC. I will give imsaguy your bitcoin address and all repayments will go directly to you. I don't expect anyone to take me up on this, because it is a lot harder to show your trust when it is your own money at stake and not just empty words.

Had. Or at least has nonfunctional rigs. That would be key. Like I said. Between hoping locations, placing hardware in hands of others, and the other crap. The cupboard is pretty bare.

Just for clarification, he has functional rigs?

I personally believe Shakaru, he's like me in a lot of ways, a little too stupid for his own good, and once shit started hitting the fan, he started rushing into deals to try to fix the previous mess ups, causing more problems and eventually they stacked up to an enormous shitstorm

Shakaru can't be a scammer because he has made arrangements to repay his victims, and it looks to me like he is honest about repayment. This is similar to terrytibbs' case: he had his scammer tag removed once he made arrangements to repay and had paid a few people. Maybe the issue can be revisited if shakaru doesn't start making regular payments in a month or two.

Because shakaru's donator title might give him more trust than he should have at this point, I am removing his donator status for now. He will then have no advantage or disadvantage in acquiring trust.

I don't usually share my two cents on these mob mentality posts, but the posts I've seen seem to be off base.  I've done many deals with shakaru since last summer.  He lives in the LA area like me, so I have been to his place many times and seen the rigs that he has.  I've never had a bad deal with him.  Maybe I’ve been lucky, but I don’t think that’s the case. I truly do not believe he has the intention of scamming anyone.  That is not the Andrew I know.  It seems much more plausible that this situation is the outcome of a series of unfortunate events.

While I won't apologize for any mistakes that shakaru has made, as a small community I think we need to think hard about how we respond to situations like this.  Things do go wrong from time to time.  We make deals, buy contracts, and make commitments with the hope that everything will go right.  Sometimes they don't and the people involved should do what they can to make things right.  It's normal to be angry that things didn't work out, but we shouldn't stoop to the level of burning someone at the stake for being a "scammer" to enact some kind of revenge to feel better.

Astana has been fixed from the 15th of Feb. I just sent Maged the screen shots of that. Astana sent me an email after the amount of time for paypal to do their work had passed and he had not yet revived his refund. He has had it for about a month now.

And thats the way Im going to deal with this. I told the same thing to PAyb.tc via skype a little bit ago after maged posted that reply. He said the same thing you did.

Take on TerryTibbs example and wear the Scammer tag proudly if you have to, and fix everything ASAP. Including fixing the Astana deal also, if not fixed yet. You'll probably get out of this on the top if you do what I just told you. Once again, look at Terry

It understandable and I see the concern. Still not going to stop me from repaying everyone. Just might be a little harder if I get the tag, but because all funds go directly to Imsaguy, it wont be that hard. Plus thoese that personally know me understand what is going on. 

Scammer paperwork has been filled out and submitted. This is in theymos' hands now. Unfortunately, the evidence I submitted is quite convincing. Sorry shakaru.

This happened very early when there had still not been any problems and I bought his excuse about how it had happened.

Gigavps: This is not about kicking someone who is down. This is about posting the facts and preventing shakaru from stealing more money from someone else. Had this been posted back in the fall when it should have been, a lot of people would not have lost their money. I guess everyone kept quiet because they were scared they would get nothing if they posted about it or would be called a liar. (Shakaru was paying a few bitcoins now and then if you really nagged him about it at that time).

You might believe the story shakaru is telling, but I really do not see how someone can be that unlucky to be scammed that many times for those amounts. Still it would not explain where the 100-150 5830 cards went... If he somehow was scammed this badly (which I really doubt), he is guilty of being a big fool who should never be in charge of running anything. I know there is a lot of scamming going on here, but I have made about 10 deals myself here and never had a problem until I bought this mining contract.

Shakaru also has very low credibility after never telling the truth about anything. Just go look in the other Shades Minoco thread. In early January he says he is just waiting for SoCal Edison to come fix his power and the rigs would be turned back on. He clearly did not have any rigs.

I repeat what I said earlier, if you steal $20 000, you are not a good guy who can be trusted if you pay back $2000 of them, in fact you should not be trusted even if you pay everything back. In the real world you go to jail for doing the stuff shakaru has done here.

Ultimately it does not matter how we got to where we are. We are here.

Andrew needs to come up with a strategy to pay back his debts. At least this thread is started and he is cooperating. There is no reason to kick a man while he is down and I hope this thread is the helping hand Shakaru needs to stop lying and come up with a strategy that ultimately turns into FULL repayment of his debts.

Its not that all the cards and gpus were stolen or broken.

here is breakdown.

3 msi boads, 3 cpus, 3 2gbs dims of ram, 15 5830s and 2x 750w per every the 3 boards were to be housed by someone that I had trusted up until this point and now the hardware has gone with him. I felt that because he was coming out to help with SDM and local that I could have trusted him on the matter.

Then we had WiseOlOwl take off with a large amount of bitcoin that was to be cashed out and used to purchase hardware in person here in LA. This was to purchase 5 mobos, 25 cards, 5 cpus, ram, ect. This deal feel through when Owl disapeard. Also at this time Deslok purchased a large amount of fabric that was never delivered and no one has been able to get ahold of Alex from that point on.

User TerraformProjectAlpha sold us the origonal rigs that we used. The offer for sale was posted here on this form. At first we started off slow buying from him until we were at a point of purchasing the rest of his hardware. When the finial sale came, because of the bulk, I did not have time to setup all the machines and test them. When that did happen, we found 2 dead mobos, 4 missing cards and 5 more dead, almost all the powersupplies were dead and also not capable of running the machines. At this point I was told that he would RMA the hardware and get back to us. This never happend and we had 6 working machines out of 12. The unit sent to Desloc also could not run at full capacity. TerraformProjectAlpha real name is Nick and his work contact that we tried to call was a number that as disconnected.
After that, the hardware started to break down. I have a pile of dead PSUs, and 2 mobos that died out along with risers that mostlikly caused the issues.

To keep things going, I sold a few of the working 5830s to Amazingrendo (who also has been in the old SDM opperation when we were at 80% running) Good sales from him everytime. Yet the hardware that I purchased didnt go so well.

I had purchased from user ReganReckman 3 mobos, cards and 2 psus. When they arrived, I found that he had welded or glued or soemthing an Intel HSF to one of the chips, and that was still attached while shipped using the mobo box to hold it in place. This was smashed, the mobo dead on arrival and he cut the remaining price for the hardware off to make up for it, but it didnt fix the fact that the hardware was not as it was supposed to be. The 900w antec died a week or two later, and the 5850 was about 2 more weeks after that.

Then remember Hollie/Ninja? Never got my 5970 because, well, we know how that one ended.

Last. Paypal just sided with me last night on a charge back for the rigs I sent and sold to the UK. That brings my great paypal fund to -1300 atm.

Point is that I failed running SDM in every way but running it into the ground. We had 3 months were things didnt go so great, and then went from bad to worse.

This is a pretty solid point. Any way you count it he should have over one hundred cards not counting the 30-50 cpus mobos etc. Not ALL of this can be broken/stolen/burned, and even a conservative estimate means 10k-ish there.


Big deal, imo. And yes, something like this should be aired in public on the spot. Why not?

Thanks for putting this out there. Speaking of astana, he's back: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.787933