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legendary
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July 30, 2017, 01:28:48 AM
I'm not sure if this has been suggested yet and the thread is too long to check.

But have you considered studying abroad? In Germany the living cost is lower than in the US, and the tuition fees are less than $200 per semester. The education is generally better than what you would get at a US college as well. When I talked to friends who study MINT subjects at US Colleges I was quite shocked to find out how much time they waste on very basic garbage (several semesters) that we take out in around a week or less.

Depending on your field of study I would either go abroad for a degree or forfeit a US-based degree entirely. A lot of tech jobs can be reached by doing Nano-degrees on sites such as Udacity. Those are far cheaper and far better preparations for jobs in the tech industry.


The ideal route would be a degree abroad, supplemented with one or more Nanodegrees. US colleges are definitely overpriced and offer very little value in terms of teaching. Unless money is literally a no-brainer for you, avoid the US at all cost regardless of field of study.

There is no tuition fee anymore (there was for around 3(?) years but people got pretty mad and it was abolished). What you pay are social fees that amount to around 200-250€ per semester depending on university  (free use of public transport, eating for a reduced price in the mensa etc pp).

The US basic education is the problem.
For a proper comparison with the german education system you have to look at ivy schools (similar to german gymnasium).
The education base of german, austrian, swiss "gymnasiast" are just superior to that of us americans (non ivy school) that is why german universities teach differently.
I only pay 150~160 EUR per Semester. At what places are the fees as "high" as 250?

And Ivy Schools are way too expensive to really hold a candle to German universities. There are really only two or three cases in which an Ivy League tuition is objectively better than one at a German university. Namely getting a full scholarship, simply not caring about money, or not wanting to study abroad no matter what.
I've had access to the study materials in Cambridge, and we've done the exact same things at my university. The only bonuses are the prestige and perhaps networking, which in most cases won't offset the high tuition fees (in my opinion).

In west germany the social fees are usually around 250 €. You are probaly studying in east germany or maybe you get a discount as a foreign student?

I just wanted to say that quality-wise ivy league schools are atleast on par with german universities.
You are definitely right about the absurd expenses for these colleges.
I'm in southwest Germany and pay the regular rate as a German citizen. I haven't seen such fees at any of the places I checked out a few years ago, so I'm quite surprised. 250 EUR per semester is still a steal though. Not really surprised that my university is flooded with Asians and Indians.

And yes, Ivy League education itself is definitely among the top as well. It's just hard to justify the price tags given the options.

You are a lucky one with 160 € or the prices got cheaper over the time.
For example in Aachen the fee is ~260€ but overall compared to abroad it is really nothing.

Good education + very low fees + rather low living expenses makes germany a very awesome location to get a higher education especially right now while germany needs new educated workers.

Btw tuition fee of ivy league school per semester: 10.000-20.000 $

German average tuition fee per semester: 200 €
legendary
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July 30, 2017, 01:16:35 AM
I'm not sure if this has been suggested yet and the thread is too long to check.

But have you considered studying abroad? In Germany the living cost is lower than in the US, and the tuition fees are less than $200 per semester. The education is generally better than what you would get at a US college as well. When I talked to friends who study MINT subjects at US Colleges I was quite shocked to find out how much time they waste on very basic garbage (several semesters) that we take out in around a week or less.

Depending on your field of study I would either go abroad for a degree or forfeit a US-based degree entirely. A lot of tech jobs can be reached by doing Nano-degrees on sites such as Udacity. Those are far cheaper and far better preparations for jobs in the tech industry.


The ideal route would be a degree abroad, supplemented with one or more Nanodegrees. US colleges are definitely overpriced and offer very little value in terms of teaching. Unless money is literally a no-brainer for you, avoid the US at all cost regardless of field of study.

There is no tuition fee anymore (there was for around 3(?) years but people got pretty mad and it was abolished). What you pay are social fees that amount to around 200-250€ per semester depending on university  (free use of public transport, eating for a reduced price in the mensa etc pp).

The US basic education is the problem.
For a proper comparison with the german education system you have to look at ivy schools (similar to german gymnasium).
The education base of german, austrian, swiss "gymnasiast" are just superior to that of us americans (non ivy school) that is why german universities teach differently.
I only pay 150~160 EUR per Semester. At what places are the fees as "high" as 250?

And Ivy Schools are way too expensive to really hold a candle to German universities. There are really only two or three cases in which an Ivy League tuition is objectively better than one at a German university. Namely getting a full scholarship, simply not caring about money, or not wanting to study abroad no matter what.
I've had access to the study materials in Cambridge, and we've done the exact same things at my university. The only bonuses are the prestige and perhaps networking, which in most cases won't offset the high tuition fees (in my opinion).

In west germany the social fees are usually around 250 €. You are probaly studying in east germany or maybe you get a discount as a foreign student?

I just wanted to say that quality-wise ivy league schools are atleast on par with german universities.
You are definitely right about the absurd expenses for these colleges.
I'm in southwest Germany and pay the regular rate as a German citizen. I haven't seen such fees at any of the places I checked out a few years ago, so I'm quite surprised. 250 EUR per semester is still a steal though. Not really surprised that my university is flooded with Asians and Indians.

And yes, Ivy League education itself is definitely among the top as well. It's just hard to justify the price tags given the options.
legendary
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July 30, 2017, 01:12:59 AM
I'm not sure if this has been suggested yet and the thread is too long to check.

But have you considered studying abroad? In Germany the living cost is lower than in the US, and the tuition fees are less than $200 per semester. The education is generally better than what you would get at a US college as well. When I talked to friends who study MINT subjects at US Colleges I was quite shocked to find out how much time they waste on very basic garbage (several semesters) that we take out in around a week or less.

Depending on your field of study I would either go abroad for a degree or forfeit a US-based degree entirely. A lot of tech jobs can be reached by doing Nano-degrees on sites such as Udacity. Those are far cheaper and far better preparations for jobs in the tech industry.


The ideal route would be a degree abroad, supplemented with one or more Nanodegrees. US colleges are definitely overpriced and offer very little value in terms of teaching. Unless money is literally a no-brainer for you, avoid the US at all cost regardless of field of study.

There is no tuition fee anymore (there was for around 3(?) years but people got pretty mad and it was abolished). What you pay are social fees that amount to around 200-250€ per semester depending on university  (free use of public transport, eating for a reduced price in the mensa etc pp).

The US basic education is the problem.
For a proper comparison with the german education system you have to look at ivy schools (similar to german gymnasium).
The education base of german, austrian, swiss "gymnasiast" are just superior to that of us americans (non ivy school) that is why german universities teach differently.
I only pay 150~160 EUR per Semester. At what places are the fees as "high" as 250?

And Ivy Schools are way too expensive to really hold a candle to German universities. There are really only two or three cases in which an Ivy League tuition is objectively better than one at a German university. Namely getting a full scholarship, simply not caring about money, or not wanting to study abroad no matter what.
I've had access to the study materials in Cambridge, and we've done the exact same things at my university. The only bonuses are the prestige and perhaps networking, which in most cases won't offset the high tuition fees (in my opinion).

In west germany the social fees are usually around 250 €. You are probaly studying in east germany or maybe you get a discount as a foreign student?

I just wanted to say that quality-wise ivy league schools are atleast on par with german universities.
You are definitely right about the absurd expenses for these colleges.

But well education was always near complete free and has a very high standard in germany so we are kinda very spoiled in that regard.
legendary
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July 30, 2017, 01:06:44 AM
I'm not sure if this has been suggested yet and the thread is too long to check.

But have you considered studying abroad? In Germany the living cost is lower than in the US, and the tuition fees are less than $200 per semester. The education is generally better than what you would get at a US college as well. When I talked to friends who study MINT subjects at US Colleges I was quite shocked to find out how much time they waste on very basic garbage (several semesters) that we take out in around a week or less.

Depending on your field of study I would either go abroad for a degree or forfeit a US-based degree entirely. A lot of tech jobs can be reached by doing Nano-degrees on sites such as Udacity. Those are far cheaper and far better preparations for jobs in the tech industry.


The ideal route would be a degree abroad, supplemented with one or more Nanodegrees. US colleges are definitely overpriced and offer very little value in terms of teaching. Unless money is literally a no-brainer for you, avoid the US at all cost regardless of field of study.

There is no tuition fee anymore (there was for around 3(?) years but people got pretty mad and it was abolished). What you pay are social fees that amount to around 200-250€ per semester depending on university  (free use of public transport, eating for a reduced price in the mensa etc pp).

The US basic education is the problem.
For a proper comparison with the german education system you have to look at ivy schools (similar to german gymnasium).
The education base of german, austrian, swiss "gymnasiast" are just superior to that of us americans (non ivy school) that is why german universities teach differently.
I only pay 150~160 EUR per Semester. At what places are the fees as "high" as 250?

And Ivy Schools are way too expensive to really hold a candle to German universities. There are really only two or three cases in which an Ivy League tuition is objectively better than one at a German university. Namely getting a full scholarship, simply not caring about money, or not wanting to study abroad no matter what.
I've had access to the study materials in Cambridge, and we've done the exact same things at my university. The only bonuses are the prestige and perhaps networking, which in most cases won't offset the high tuition fees (in my opinion).
legendary
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July 30, 2017, 12:58:06 AM
I'm not sure if this has been suggested yet and the thread is too long to check.

But have you considered studying abroad? In Germany the living cost is lower than in the US, and the tuition fees are less than $200 per semester. The education is generally better than what you would get at a US college as well. When I talked to friends who study MINT subjects at US Colleges I was quite shocked to find out how much time they waste on very basic garbage (several semesters) that we take out in around a week or less.

Depending on your field of study I would either go abroad for a degree or forfeit a US-based degree entirely. A lot of tech jobs can be reached by doing Nano-degrees on sites such as Udacity. Those are far cheaper and far better preparations for jobs in the tech industry.


The ideal route would be a degree abroad, supplemented with one or more Nanodegrees. US colleges are definitely overpriced and offer very little value in terms of teaching. Unless money is literally a no-brainer for you, avoid the US at all cost regardless of field of study.

There is no tuition fee anymore (there was for around 3(?) years but people got pretty mad and it was abolished). What you pay are social fees that amount to around 200-250€ per semester depending on university  (free use of public transport, eating for a reduced price in the mensa etc pp).

The US basic education is the problem.
For a proper comparison with the german education system you have to look at ivy schools (similar to german gymnasium).
The education base of german, austrian, swiss "gymnasiast" are just superior to that of us americans (non ivy school) that is why german universities teach differently.
legendary
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July 30, 2017, 12:51:32 AM
But have you considered studying abroad? In Germany the living cost is lower than in the US, and the tuition fees are less than $200 per semester. The education is generally better than what you would get at a US college as well. When I talked to friends who study MINT subjects at US Colleges I was quite shocked to find out how much time they waste on very basic garbage (several semesters) that we take out in around a week or less.

The German education system is one of the best in the world. And the best part is that it is heavily subsidized. Some of my friends did their higher education from Germany. And they are all in praise for the system there. It is very affordable and the red tape is almost nonexistent. Also, the German universities are not as much money minded as some of their American counterparts.
German universities are great indeed, in comparison to what is available. However, formal education in general is quite dreadful and causes a lot of problems in the mentality of people.
Based on the available options though, German HE stands out among the top from quality and affordability perspectives.
legendary
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July 30, 2017, 12:47:53 AM
But have you considered studying abroad? In Germany the living cost is lower than in the US, and the tuition fees are less than $200 per semester. The education is generally better than what you would get at a US college as well. When I talked to friends who study MINT subjects at US Colleges I was quite shocked to find out how much time they waste on very basic garbage (several semesters) that we take out in around a week or less.

The German education system is one of the best in the world. And the best part is that it is heavily subsidized. Some of my friends did their higher education from Germany. And they are all in praise for the system there. It is very affordable and the red tape is almost nonexistent. Also, the German universities are not as much money minded as some of their American counterparts.
legendary
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July 29, 2017, 10:59:33 PM
I'm not sure if this has been suggested yet and the thread is too long to check.

But have you considered studying abroad? In Germany the living cost is lower than in the US, and the tuition fees are less than $200 per semester. The education is generally better than what you would get at a US college as well. When I talked to friends who study MINT subjects at US Colleges I was quite shocked to find out how much time they waste on very basic garbage (several semesters) that we take out in around a week or less.

Depending on your field of study I would either go abroad for a degree or forfeit a US-based degree entirely. A lot of tech jobs can be reached by doing Nano-degrees on sites such as Udacity. Those are far cheaper and far better preparations for jobs in the tech industry.


The ideal route would be a degree abroad, supplemented with one or more Nanodegrees. US colleges are definitely overpriced and offer very little value in terms of teaching. Unless money is literally a no-brainer for you, avoid the US at all cost regardless of field of study.
newbie
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July 29, 2017, 10:36:03 PM
Yes,you should go to college to enjoy your college life and for focus on your higher studies.Because college life provides you exposure to learn different things.
Even I also started college from this year.
Best of luck!
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July 29, 2017, 10:27:12 PM
If you can think you can go along without going to collage than don't go to collage at all.

Collage is a shady place which teaches you how to be depressed.
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July 29, 2017, 07:18:15 PM
Go to college if someone pays for it, you know what you are doing and it absolutely requires a degree.

Skip / hold off if you don't know what you want to be beyond all shadow of a doubt, if you have to get loans, and especially if you could acquire work experience instead of debt.
newbie
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July 29, 2017, 02:54:00 PM
Go to college dude, is the best way to find a good job with a good payment.
It's not like going to college automatically gives you a good job, it's a tool plus the help of your own skills can give better chances in life. Studying does not make nothing secure and doesnt's makes you a better person.
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July 29, 2017, 01:49:19 PM
Work first! Then decide. If i could do it all over again I'd wait 1 - 2 years before making that decision after high school. It's a big one! Good luck friend Smiley
newbie
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July 29, 2017, 01:17:37 PM
Don't think twice an go bro.
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July 29, 2017, 12:44:34 PM
Decide if you want a STEM degree or not. STEM = Science, technology, engineering, or math. If you want a career in any of these fields then college is a great choice in my opinion. However, if you're studying art, business, polisci (I went this route), psychology -> then go work in the field for a year or two. See if you really like it. Most of these other non-STEM degrees I have found will accept folks at entry level without a college degree. Especially a young, hungry individual with a Resume, cover letter, letter of recommendation, ect. ect. I say the more the better when you're young. Good luck soldier Wink Enjoy college if you go! Study hard and party harder Wink
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July 29, 2017, 12:10:04 PM
Hi everyone,

What advice would you give a HS senior in US about to decide on and/or enter college ?

You should go to college and get a degree. It's hard to find a job if you don't have one. Think of your future.
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July 29, 2017, 10:50:57 AM
Hi everyone,

What advice would you give a HS senior in US about to decide on and/or enter college ?

The first thing that you should consider in your life is finishing a degree in college. It will take you far in the future. Getting a degree will give you a lot of opportunities when you grow up. So, I think you should consider it. It's for your future and you should secure your future. Good luck on choosing a path for your career.
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July 29, 2017, 10:27:25 AM
Its a question if you want to go to college, ask yourself what makes you happy and may not regret in the end.
My only advice, follow what you think is right and don't listen to anyone except yourself.
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July 29, 2017, 06:10:57 AM
You should go man. Take a college degree. There are bunch of opportunies awaits you when you finished your college degree.
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HELENA
July 29, 2017, 04:03:40 AM
Of course,  you should go to college, eduacation is a form of investment that can get a 100% profit in the future, an investment that cannot be taken by someone else.

Its a great chance and a great blessing when a person can go to school.
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